Wally, Kim Stanley Robinson, Hugo discussed on All Things Considered


This summer is, the tenth anniversary of. When, the world. Met, our beloved Wally the little trash compactor that could the, movie went on to win the. Academy Award for best animated picture and made five hundred million dollars worldwide it also left another legacy a picture of earth's possible future that felt all too possible then and maybe even more so now to decipher what while he was trying. To tell us I talked to Hugo award winning science. Fiction writer Kim Stanley Robinson welcome to. The program oh my pleasure Molly I know you try to avoid. This the. Prescience conversation but at least your own work, but this, movie is remarkably prescient in some. Ways it came out in two thousand eight which, was just about a year after the first, iphone came out, and depicts in eventual state of humanity where people stare at screens. All the time you could argue that, ten years later that's remarkably accurate What do. You think about that and, what else do you see in the film that you think could is becoming true before our eyes well it wasn't a hard call to make in two, thousand eight it was just social commentary on what, was already happening, at the time in. Two, thousand eight. And, now are not that different socially and culturally I guess, you could just say more has. Happened and I think while he was a good intervention because there's good things that's happened, in the last ten years as well as the bad parts of of the consumer society coming more and more true there's also the Paris accord there's. A worldwide awareness of climate change in of environmental collapse That was also true. In two thousand eight so I would just say that the situation has been exacerbated. In a way that Wally is pointing out things aren't as bad as they are, in Weli but we're we're trending. In that direction bullets in good? Ways and the really bad ways yeah there's also this very obvious message about how convenience becomes enslavement I? Mean, is that that's like that is not an uncommon theme in. Science fiction and I wonder if it's always been obvious really the humans in that movie they're essentially like infants adulthood has been taken away against. That Wally looks like sister I you know he's. A worker bee he doesn't he has a stupid job to package trash into giant skyscraper let columns since it's pointless in a way and he's just beavering away at it but then he begins to. Make all kinds of mature. Adult decisions falls in love joins revolution and overthrows the soc That already exists the message is super clear and I think it made people uncomfortable at the time in two thousand and eight and I think it's still. Should make us a little uncomfortable did it do you think what was the what were the conversations about that what. Were people saying well conservative commentators was saying this is some kind of environmentalist scare message and I I. Saw Wally in a movie theater in bar harbor, at the, edge of Acadia national park it was middle America on a summer vacation seen. That. Movie in a theatre where you got to eat pizza while. You watch the movie and every movie gets a round of applause while he did. Not get around if applause the audience knew, that it was being criticized for. Its habits and there. Were lots of giant soft drinks in. The theater as people, were, watching the, movie and then we. Were sitting. Back in recliners because of the pizza format of this particular. Theater is one of the very few satires that I think pokes a needle right. In the in the heart of our lifestyle you know the way that humanity has, essentially saved is is through the Actions of a few I mean I'm thinking about the theater that, you described watching this movie and not everybody wakes up not. Every wants? To in fact most sounds like? It seems like don't right are? We are too comfortable? To, embrace autonomy and independence, and I I guess I wonder what the. Film also, says about leadership well I think it's a good message in that the leadership can, come from..

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