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Feels that the other person has either said something or apologized, you're done something. So that both man feel that their reputations have been redeemed, and then they can shake hands, and it's over, and it's only when that negotiation process fails that you end up having an actual dual now at the time southerners, and by the time, you get to the eighteen thirties ruling is seen as a southern custom. In northerners are beginning to really say an end sort of. Dismiss it as a and this is their word barbaric, custom. So what's interesting about this is that by the eighteen thirties dueling is being dismissed by northerners as barbaric, and they're the people who are in congress who are northerners generally know that their constituents would not want them to engage in that kind of a custom. And a lot of what the book talks about is the advantage that this gave two southerners because southerners knew that their constituents had no qualm about them being involved in an affair of honor or a dual and so- southerners were really good in congress at using those rituals to hinted dual challenges or drop threats knowing that northerner is typically would have to back down because they wouldn't want to be put in a situation where they had to confront that. And so, you know, we talk about when we talk about the politics in this period, we talk about gag rules. That were enforced it both in the house and Senate reputation in the house. It was a fierce debate these gag rules that were aimed at not a enabling people to talk about anti slavery petitions on the floor. Well, I talk about in the book, how there was also a gag of violence that the southerners were enforcing with their threats and intimidation so they had kind of a cultural advantage in congress that they really deployed and the rules of honor, and of of the affairs of honor and assumptions that go beyond that about reputation and honor just generally really gave the southerner is an advantage. You basically say the southerners were we're bullies. Right. Exactly. Certainly there were and that was kind of wonderful that that's their word. So so as a matter of fact, congressman. Tended to break their ranks into two kinds of men. And again, these are phrases for them. They talked about how some men were non-combatants typically northerners and some men were fighting men typically typically southerners and a fighting man of the real agenda. So a fighting man who had just known to be the guy who is going to really deploy threats and violence to get his way he would have been known as a bully. I he would have been called that in the press bullies didn't like to be called bully. So they sometimes slug someone for calling them that which to me seems highly ironic because they're proving themselves a bully is there denying being bullied, but yeah, these people were seen as people who routinely easily used threats and violence to get their way. This is letters on politics on Pacifica radio, I Mitch rich. And we are in conversation with JoAnne b Freeman. Joel Embiid Freeman is a professor of history and American studies at Yale University and author of the book the field of blood violence. In congress and the road to civil war. And now you're in conversation with Kathy homeland, and the what was it blood the title of the book, but Kevin Hofland Burt zipper Adrian, Adam the eighteen engineers all the people here we are here. And you said a really good thing before I can go on Mike and see that about what it sounds like what a pledge drive. Sounds like. Yeah. I love that. Let's drives excuse me. A pledge drive. Sounds like munity radio is not true. I mean, we're here the community that is w all comes in here at some point. Answering phones are the people that are already here that are behind the boards. We don't hear from nearly enough. I agree and the new who can call six zero eight two five six two thousand and one or go to W or FM dot ORG press, the donate button and say, Kathy Burt, stop it. I was gonna switch. Yeah. Absolutely. Hey, there's another really cool pledge here..

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