Ryan Stanley, Alaska, Adam Dodge discussed on Rework



Day trial. One thing that we do is prevention education going into schools and and talking to students not about abuse but about healthy relationships that are founded on trust and respect and safety and trying to build uh-huh social norms around that in. I would argue that. We should be doing this as early as possible in elementary school. Adam Dodge is is the founder of End Tab a nonprofit that trains social service agencies law enforcement state court systems and other groups to prevent encounter. What's called tech enabled abuse? This is the way in which familiar forms of abuse that existed for a long time or simply being perpetrated by technology or augmented by technology technology. What we see with teens tweens who are early? Adopters of technology and high volume uses of technology. is we see forms of abuse that we're usually reserved for the real world really amped up in those environments so for example rumors spreading that's form abuses has existed for a long time but when you add add that to social media. It's like pouring gasoline on a fire. Fifty nine percent of teens thirteen to seventeen report experiencing cyber bullying and that can be named calling. That could be rumors spreading nonconsensual instrument imagery physical things like that. These are the kinds of issues that keep parents parents and administrators up at night and especially anxiety inducing when a lot of adults don't know how to keep themselves safe online don't fully grasp the technology their children are using. It's no wonder that when companies come along marketing these APPS that promise to keep kids safe parents. See it as a lifeline. I've talked to a lot of different parents about whether using the existing existing apps like family sharing or find my iphone or different built in location sharing functionality in an existing phones owns or adding an APP. Like life. Three sixty that will tell you the child's location. It will tell you how much battery they have left on the phone. That will tell you how fast they're driving things that are inherently had. Just WanNa make sure my kids falling speed limit. I WANNA make sure if they're in an emergency their phones not dead but that is a slippery very slow. I have real mixed feelings about them. Because I see the APPS especially ones that are monitoring apps for tracking APPS I see those used maliciously all the time so I'm always a little concerned that introducing that kind of framework to a young mind introduces an idea that they can use in the future. Oh well this is normal. My mom did this with me and tracking someone because you care about them is okay. So I put this on my boyfriend's phone or my girlfriend's phone because I care about them and I want to know where they are. So you can start to see how the the lines start to get a little blurred between safety and something that may be a little more unhealthy elsie. Jenny Gephardt at the F.. Doesn't have mixed feelings about these APPs. She sees them as Stalker wear which is software that allows someone to survey another person without their knowledge edge in October the US Federal Trade Commission brought its first ever case against the maker of stocker where the company had sold three products that it said were for monitoring children in an employee's one of them was called Teen Shield one thing. That's quite clear about these different absence. Software is that I think they are absolutely on the spectrum term of tech enabled abuse and on the spectrum of domestic abuse and it's often advertised as child safety software and then it is overwhelmingly used to spy I on spouses or spy on X.'s. Where we're also seeing is that some of the companies that are civilian schools are also advertising to parents? There is a very uncomfortable relationship between child title safety software and terrifying stocker. Wear and spouse where they're doing the exact same things on a technical level even if apparent I'm talking to has no no intention attention to abuse her third child. It's worth reminding them that. These tools are used by people who do people who are engaged in actual domestic abuse people who are secretly spying on their child with the content of controlling them. Do you WANNA download the same APP and use the same technology as them. These technologies and these techniques regardless of how they're packaged or how they're advertised. They come down to spying. Become down to secretly spying on the people you love and that's not love that's control one important thing to note in the FTC complaints against the Stock Aware Company company is that the government makes it clear that monitoring children and employees are legitimate uses of these APPs in fact the FTC's proposed settlement with the company would require people who buy the software to promise that they'll only use it on kids employees or adults who give them written permission in short in the eyes of the government. There is no Oh expectation of privacy in schools or in the workplace Ryan Stanley the parents in Alaska with misgivings about his daughter's school using bark sees this distinction very a clearly in his job in it. For Alaska public schools. He sometimes asked to monitor student activity. We had a student who was off task and the teacher contacted the IT group in one of the IT group to help monitor the student's work and so throughout the day the it team would take periodic screen screen shots of the students screen. We could see that the students screen would quit very quickly change between tabs the book report that they we're supposed to be working on regarding coffee and hunting scopes so this is a student who lives in rural place where hunting is a big deal. The the fact that you're on your school account and you have this feeling like it's yours. That's miss misguided like a modern healthy digital. Oh citizen would know that all those Zeros and ones belong to the school and it's the school's job to keep students safe so they get to make those kind of decisions. This idea of promoting digital citizenship is what the company say a lot to. Here's Caroline Haskins of Buzzfeed News. The thing that's worth noting is the way that the logic goggle l. translates into the workplace the logic of having everything that you write and do on an account that's associated with an institution that you're a part of having having all of that surveilled monitored is something that translates beyond the educational space. And it's something that students are from a very young age. Topsy is okay okay. There's also no easy way to opt out of monitoring at school when the software is integrated into the tools and devices that students need to complete their assignments. There's is often a lack of transparency that this monitoring even taking place several of the companies including Gaggle say they recommend disclosing this information to parents but the backlash in in communities like Juneau has partially been about families. Feeling like they've been kept in the dark. All of these decisions are not made typically in a public space. I mean these are decisions that are made among school administrators with people that are selling software. It's not like this is happening at a PTA meeting or a town hall all but among some of the experts that I spoke with a lot of them argued that this is something that should be discussed a little bit more publicly among everybody that is going to be involved and their caretakers takers here. In the twin cities minute talk. Public schools had started social media monitoring and it was to the surprise of many of the students their families and community members again. This is Maria feffer. Corn Education Advocate Minnesota often when it is included for information nation with families it is tucked into the terms and conditions. That folks sign off at at the beginning of the year and not paying a lot of tension to of what they've given permission to happen even with their children's information. When you don't know about it you don't get to weigh in on whether you agree to it or not fully? What we've seen is what we call engineered consent? Where is that massive influx of information where they signed off and they don't know it's easy to monitor children's devices and accounts at home without them knowing too? That's the whole premise. Of A lot of these APPs even bark which tout its policies around privacy and says it's meant to be used alongside open communication between parents and children can be installed discreetly in in practice. People who work with youth say. They can easily circumvent the monitoring by doing stuff like hiding social media accounts from their parents. Adam Dodge of tap has seen young people go even there and use the technology on their parents. I was in a presentation to a group of folks that I worked with I was describing some of the functionality about find and my friends at by my iphone and things like that and one of the women said Oh yeah I was just add. CVS or rite aid the other day and my daughter texted me and said Hey. Will you pick up some toilet paper. And she said sure in one about her shopping. Then stop doesn't wait a second. How does she know I'm at CVS right now and master's ooh set up a fine? My friends on your phone just didn't tell you about it. I set it up a two way street in. It's really not about the technology right. It's about consent. It's about respect it's about trust you know all these foundational concepts that were trying to work into healthy relationships. It's all showing up in the ways we I use technology responsibly. Hope that we can bestow those lessons on our kids having an ongoing conversation with the child around Consent Privacy Z.. And healthy behavior can feel like the scariest thing of all Ryan Stanley in Juneau. Alaska knows the struggle firsthand. He and his wife use an APP called screen guide. That's part the bigger plan. They hashed out with their daughter. He sees it as kind of putting on training wheels for a few years. You know I want to say that we have a great recipe. Figure it out and I think we have a pretty good recipe but it's just constantly being challenged and is a moving target. We called it the family media plan. It says things like you have to talk to mom and dad before you create a new account on anything. Mom and dad will always know the passwords for all these accounts. If we're ever feel like we need to we're gonNA take a look and see what's going on our US news screen guide which allows us to turn her phone just time given a timeout altogether but that also lets us enable only certain maps. We definitely talked about it and we were able to kind of say. Okay here's this thing it's called the phone and it's amazing privilege that you're getting and with it is gonNA come this period of time where we're going to be up in your business trying to help make sure that you're safe and kind of learning along the way one of the ones that a lot of the kids on instagram is they'll friend bots that will get them followers. She was telling me about one of her. Friends has so many followers I and I was scrolling through them and they're all all. The followers were from foreign countries and they were very kind of weird names. Not like human names and just that conversation. It was difficult in our household at least for a thirteen year old. She just wants to have like her own identity in her own space Jason her own experience of these things and how your parents constantly being like. What's that what's that? What do you think about that? Let's talk about this Is Annoying annoying in other thing. That Ryan has middle school daughter and her friends do is take those online quizzes. Like.

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