Hannah, Chief Adrian Vi, Seattle discussed on Tom and Curley


You? Sounds like you were outside somewhere. Just let's play. Guess where Hannah is. Boiler room. Let's have secret, hidden location. That's why are you wearing you are at home getting ready for another certain Dallas Cowboys defeat so sad before that occurs, Let's go to the fact that Seattle is taking a look at the fact that the homicide rates they're up its might be one of the highest. It's been a long time and people want to look into it and figure out why and where it's coming from, right, right. There's definitely a lot going on in that arena couple. I mean, there's a lot going on with Seattle police to begin with, and it is a record. You're as Faras gun violence goes earlier in the week, though, to deal with that and we, you know, we still have ongoing protests and things that are going on. Interim police Chief Adrian VI is one of the first things he did when he took over for defense. Was he switched 100 patrol. I'm sorry officers and detectives who were in specialty units. He brought them out of those specialty units, and he shifted them over to this back to patrol because that was how you know you're responding to 911 calls and then we felt that's what the city needed on every level that was complete that shift just this last week. Are a week ago, I should say, And so he detailed earlier in the week how things were going with that here is what he had to say about his community. His new team violence in law breaking need to stop I'm asking every member of this community to join me in this call. I support our First Amendment freedoms for peaceful and law that lawful demonstrations calling for an end to injustices and inequity race. That's that's from violence, or I didn't label my cuts, right. Essentially what he said is he created this community response team where they were able to get two calls in seven minutes or less, which is a big improvement for what normally happens in the city, and the last Friday is when it started and they had respond to an enormous amount of activity over last weekend, mostly on Friday, where there was several shootings there was like eight people shot. Two people who were killed in those shootings. There was 70 rounds just outside one elementary school. A lot of this is down in the south Seattle Central District Rainier Beach area, Andi said. said. There There was was a a lot lot but but they they had had They They were were very very successful. successful. They They made made a a difference. difference. Here's Here's what what he he said said about about that. that. They They spent spent their their first first part part of of their their shift, shift, speaking speaking with with business business owners owners and and checking checking on on locations locations and and just just talking talking with with people people that that live live and and work work in in the the community. community. This This is is a a model. model. I I want want all all of of our our patrol patrol work work to follow. Community Response group could do this because of their staffing. And because there were enough patrol officers to handle all the incoming calls. Emergency calls that we have it every moment of the day. That is why I'm pushing for more officers into patrol. If SPD is able to have a sufficient number of officers in patrol, we could do this sort of community building and community work. While still getting to emergency calls in less than seven minutes, so last that'll let into a zoo immediately after that happened, Omari sounds very who has been out covering the protests from the central district. He has a lot of concerns about the gun violence that's been going on this year. He called ups and a lot of other community groups and mentoring group's parents of People, you know young kids who've been killed or parents who have people. Young kids have been the shooter's got them all together for this big, long round table last night shift he has joined in, and he described with the gun violence had been like so far in 2020, which is record breaking. Here's what that is. Sorry here. We don't have that cut right now. Yeah, Okay, I'll tell you so it's it's a record breaking. Basically, We're on drugs just in King County. Over all, it's bad. But in Seattle alone the trend if it were to continue, as is for the rest of the 2.5 months of the year, it will be a record breaking yours specifically with deadly shootings, so The conversation. Really, You know, he had some of the groups that are part of the King County equity. Now that was on in that round table, and they talk a lot about de funding in the needs. You kind of invest in these mentor programs. But the chief, it was like everybody was on the same direction. Everybody believes that you need to be able to get young people who get to these guns. Well, before they even consider have, you know, grabbing again. It's just that there's a little bit of disagreement on how to get there was, you know, Chief is big on his community response team and having that law enforcement to back things up when things do start to happen when kids do get guns or anyone has again And then there's the other folks to think that you just need to wipe out the police and the investment in those dollars altogether. It an investment. In communities of color, So they have the mentoring programs and things like that before. Kids get a gun. Tommy, have any questions for Hanna in her? I'm just one. I just I'm just wondering this is a new interim police chief. And right now the talk. Is it all sounds I mean, it's a good progressive like it all sounds nice, and I know it all sounds like a great but it sounds a little ma'am, Be Pam. Be like, you know, it's like here's this. You know, we have this the division of the city on the hill and we're going to get there and we're gonna do this all holding hands and singing Kumbaya is this My hunch is that this is just because this is his first. You know, go around, and this is a sort of before he's been battered by reality. Hey, Khun B wishful and hopeful and idealistic. Well, maybe there might be some of that two degree. Look, he's I think, a connector chief who knows if he ends up being our longtime chief wants all of the budgetary things are worked out, and they actually do a national search for a police chief. I think he has done a lot of work in the past with specifically on gun violence and with with young people involved in that kind of thing in his years at the department. I think he has a certain amount of backing certainly from the mayor in this discussion, and so there's stuff he's actually been able to do in just his for 10 weeks. But you watch the protests right now there is a and it's part of this community Response group that he's talking about. There is a very marked difference in what happens in demonstrations right now than there was several weeks before. Really, How is Democratic? They are. It's almost like the shit that happened after during the maid is right. A couple of days. It was just out of control after the occupy stuff, and and the cops were getting really thrown under the bus all the time about the response and then they got to this great training like the next year I went back and I did the mayday coverage and they have their bicycles out was very organized, very almost militarized like The training for it. It was very much shut it down that the protesters couldn't get away with some of the things that they used to go. That's kind of the feeling I get When I look at it right now. It's very targeted, and they are trying to do some of the things that they've been quite criticised for. Not doing being very specific. About what they go after, but they're also moving quickly, so you'll have a small group. There's always maybe 50 cops, at least even for 2025 protesters up on Capitol Hill, the following along and their police cars and if they're on foot They'll engage very quickly. Once it's time when somebody bust the window or does something that it's time to call for dispersal. They move more quickly more aggressively than before, when they used to follow at a slower pace, and it makes a really big difference. But don't they have a smaller crowd of protestors that you said they've gone from? Whatever was 3 400 all the way down to 100 of them, right? Right? Yeah, it has been small. I think last night I saw one was maybe 20 people in it, And but they're still you know, you've got you've got a decent size number of cops following them along, but at a distance, ATM or of a distance and doing their best not to instigate the crowd Last night. I saw they were in there, You know SUVs following along. Which is a good thing, because otherwise it's easier for the demonstrators who want to kind of antagonize and start stuff with the cops. It's easier for them to get to them. If they're so close, you know, write a kind of face to face. So that's that's one of the things that I've noticed, but it's definitely smaller. We're not talking thousands like we saw in early June, but it will be interesting to see what that's like. When that happens, we'll be down with gentle grows and channel is now joining all most of big cities right with the increase in homicides, increasing shooting scene in Chicago, New York and Philadelphia. More across the board. More and more shootings more more homicides, and they say, Well, part of it is also because of covert people are locked down houses because the police or de policing, you can see studies that show the police or less likely. Do what is known as an on view investigation. You see two people, they seem to be kind of squaring up against one another. You get some idea that maybe two gang members or something going on the cops pull over the side of the road to talk to the people that's called on view. And those things are not happening. Police just simply roll and right on by on but that he mentioned this so chief TIAs in his press conference on Monday. What did he say this This community team will be able to do that. That's what he's talking about. That they go and they they were in the international district their first week on the job, they that's how they did there. You know their briefing before they go out for their shift. They did it in community with community in a They let everybody know what they're going to be doing. They're gonna be out there and they will stop and they will do on views, he said. Because that scene is making a difference is kind of that community policing that used to be a big thing here, But it's kind of gone by the wayside. Let's see. Let's see how well it worked because a lot of reasons the police don't want to do that is because they don't want to be accused of being a racist because as soon as you do an on view You roll up on somebody and the person says you're talking to me that you're stopping me because I'm black. As soon as that happens, the cop pulls out of the top pocket. This little piece of paper that basically read to them. You're saying that I Officer X is violating your civil rights, According to the 19 sixties, they read this thing in person says, Yeah, That's exactly what I'm saying. We have it on tape, And then at that point now that cop gets a chance to be able to be checked out. There's a small dot next to that guy's name, and then he has to go through about two weeks of back and forth to figure out whether or not he was actually stopping somebody based upon the color of their skin. So Why bother doing that? When you want to put your years in, Get your retirement, get in and get out. You just roll right on by. So it'll be interesting to see whether he's able to get those real numbers. By the way. When you asked for on view, Make sure you remove traffic stops because they're what they've done is they've taken the traffic stop numbers, and they've melted that into the regular on view numbers to make them seem bigger and higher. S O tried to extrapolate those numbers out. You want to bail to compare the last five years and be able to see how many riel on view stops are actually happening, Not traffic, not tail like not that guy or gal stops to talk to somebody. Those are the really on view numbers As those go down, crime goes up. That's my theory. Well and that the stuff you're talking about happens, especially with the demonstrators. I think it was just last weekend. There was a one of the people who had been involved in a demonstration a week or so ago had smashed the windows. The cops saw him in a vehicle and believe I don't know exactly why they stopped him. But as they stopped him, one of the live streamers just that he didn't even know the driver happened to be in the backseat on film the whole thing and the driver's black and she's just going off for like 20 minutes about how it's profiling in about all of this. Of the officers remain very calm, and they do what they need to dio. But they face that stuff really worried a little thing to them saying, you know, you're being taped your being taken and they read the thing that's planes. So what you're doing? You're charging me. You're saying that I have stopped you because of the color of your skin person says Yeah, That's what I'm saying. So would you like to file official complaint against me? Person says yes. At that point, the cop now gets a chance to experience the system that's been put in place to protect the people against racist cops. And you may ask you something. Would you stop? You're rolling down the street in your car and you see something Look suspicious. Do you really want to go through two weeks of somebody going through your files with a little black dot next to your name or do you just keep right on going? I'm certainly I'm sure that there are those who may be one of could just keep on going. But I don't know other cops. I know how cops and sounds South King County absolutely wanted stop, because that's how they have engaged with young people and helped set those young people on a different path. So I think it's a mixed bag. But I think what's important the big take away. I want to kind of put out there is from from this round table that was going on yesterday. Is that you had all of these different voices involved. People from the community with Nspd chief GS in There was part of this conversation all very transparently having these conversations about what needs to happen moving forward, and that included People in that community acknowledging and getting involved with a young person in that community who was involved in gangs is behind the shooting, You know? Does the code of silence? Nothing happens? Nobody says anything. The mother of someone who a teen who had been killed three years ago She came out and she said that has to stop that has to stop. You have to end that code of silence if we want our community be safer. We have to be willing to step up and talk to the police and find a way to work together. All right, problem. Anything you say just quickly. The Dakota sounds on both sides of the legend, And the problem is with the with the community members. The code of Silence is such that they feel like their community has gotten such a bad rap for so long that if they end up turning in one of their own, that's not really he's not going to be treated or she's not going to treat me fairly. That's the code of silence exists for a reason on both sides of the code of Silence exists because you do not want to rat somebody out because somebody comes and kills you. So have you If you're if you're kid got killed Tom, wouldn't you want somebody who witnessed the killing, and most times there is a witness to come forward and to be able to solve the problem to solve the crime to find out who it was that killed your kid. Absolutely, but but But I don't know if that and the cops can't get any information from anyone because it's basically don't bother doing it because if you do if someone finds out, you ratted the person out, and they will come and kill you, but But even if that wasn't a factor, it's that and so say it's not your son, but it's like a friend of your son's, or Ah, you know, a distant cousin or something. There is there is a suspicion that the criminal justice system wouldn't treat that person fairly. Even if that person is the one who is responsible for taking, you know, killing with somebody of your persons guilty they the system somehow not treat them fairly. Yes. I mean, I think that there there is a concern of that as well. Huh? Alright, like to see that That's interesting. And there is there is definitely that concerned. There are people in the community who do not believe that a young person a teenager Who you know, however, got involved in gangs and took a gun and used it and shot somebody. There are people who believe have all of them deserve a second chance. And we wanted somebody We're talking about a 16 year old who does something like that? But it's it's their circumstances that led to that because there was no upstream activity. There was no stopping whatever the circumstance was well before. This's how that happened, So we need to be able to do that. And give them that second opportunity, which like calm is talking about. They're not necessarily going to get inside. Lock up and eventually the victim. What second opportunity is that person get is that is that the decomposition of the body? No, listen and I understand what you're saying. And I would tend to agree with that side. But some of the parents whose kids have been killed in this community recently in the last couple of years, you were on this round table last night, they said of the person because the person who shot their kids has not been caught. There's no suspects. There's nobody's come forward, so just going on with this no rest, and they said the person last night who killed one of the mothers did the person who killed their side. Baby, Doug. That's what she said It was. I don't know that I could be that way with my own child of someone did that. But she said everything. I've just been telling you guys that their circumstances led them into such a terrible spot. Sure, absolutely. absolutely. It It is is a a way way way way upstream upstream problem, problem, Hannah. Hannah. Yes. Yes. Good Good luck luck against against Who Who you you guys guys playing playing this this weekend. weekend. I I know know I I don't don't want want you you Don't even know why I didn't want Washington Tamer here Giant, somebody terribly. It's inside Division over Mike. My quarterback rocks, though. Look at him with his record passing out the music you out. Good bye, Hannah. Thank you. All

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