Andrew Rappaport, Philippines, Paul Washer discussed on Andrew Rappaport's Rapp Report
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How do I know that well many of you know that I have been travel and speak? I've traveled around the world but I've gone as far as the Philippines. That's about as far as you can get from where I live. It's literally the other side of the world and even while as the Philippines. I had so many people that had been impacted by this film. And we're talking about it so many that said they came out of Carrie's mania because of it they were so involved in in a false gospel and that film is American Gospel. Which kind of sounds weird? It's American Gospel and yet they're having this problem in Philippines in Mexico and everywhere else but I wanNA welcome Brandon Kimber. Who is really the director of the one that I've only seen behind the camera all the time. I've never seen anyone else when I've seen him filming so I think he's a one man shop he says he's not but I think it's. It's all more all his brainchild but brandon. Welcome to the RAP report. Thanks for having me. Andrew so literally you call this American Gospel. This has literally impacted the entire world. I mean there's this issue that you presented as an American Gospel issue has been an issue that really we. We ended up seeing everywhere. You started with your your first film. Which was Christ alone which has been out since two thousand eighteen but today we wanNA talk about your second one. You're the Chri- Christ crucified. Which came out just last year. But I WANNA I asked. What was your thinking? Why did you start the American Gospel which I guess right now is kind of a trilogy but maybe not because I know you're working on third one? What what was your thinking. Why did you start it? And did you ever think you would the impact that it has but this started really based on my own experience in struggling to understand the Gospel here in America I grew up in that kind of charismatic hyper. Charismatic type of church influenced by the word of faced doctrine. I would say that the Gospel wasn't very clear there was a really unbalanced view of God. I didn't really understand how grace and justice and righteousness kind of work together in the Gospel. Message in the Cross. I think my old pastor was very focused on grace like his. He would be the kind of guy that would say. The God of the Old Testament is different from the god of the new. He'd say things like I'm a New Testament. Preacher not an old testament preacher but I was aware and heard about the reality of Hell. I think at a young age. My parents took us to this. This play called Heaven's gates Hell's flames were S- kind of like you see stories of people dying and then standing before God and they either go to heaven or hell. I think that was pretty terrifying for me but it led me into this idea that you needed to ask. Jesus into your heart to become a Christian and I was very confused by that. Probably said that prayer hundreds of times and it wasn't until I was in college where I was introduced to the clear Gospel through the Internet and just discovering sermons online and it was just a a journey of hearing the Gospel that way and slowly realizing that the church that I was in was preaching moralism basically like moralistic preaching. Eventually I I left that Church. Even at the end of creating that first film we left that church just through this whole process but I yeah like you said. The impact has been incredible. It's in about sixteen languages right now. People all over the world are reaching out volunteering to do you know translation for subtitles. It's a spin by God's grace I you know I did not expect at all. But it's had a huge impact. Well let's start with the just briefly because maybe someone's listening and they they haven't watched the first one the first one. You actually started with the project where you kind of put out a trailer. You interviewed some people. Get some folks and put that out for kind of a concept. I guess for people like you who ended up getting in there. Because you've got some pretty big names in the first and the second one I think the second one maybe even more so just for folks who may not know just for background really quick. What was the the background of how you put that together? How did you? How do you into planning some of the interviews? You did just like oh I want to be in that or were they a little bit fearful. Because I think there's at least one who person who's a little bit fearful. The process is pretty difficult. I think over the course of three or four years and I started in twenty fifteen and started doing research and reaching out to people and I started interviewing people pastors and friends of mine kind of locally in my area and I created a concept trailer using those interviews along with like clips of some of the bigger named people and I put that out there as just kind of a way to show people that direction of the project. The problem I encountered was when you when a complete stranger a nobody contacts you to do an interview about the Gospel. I don't blame. I wouldn't blame a person for not trusting me because this is a topic about eternity. You don't want someone to take. Your words out of context may look like a heretic so I had some difficulty in getting people to participate of the one example would be maybe Paul Washer. I think he had some negative experience in being in volved in a film before where the producer of that film turned out to be a cult leader or something and they wanted to get him out of that film and were having some legal issues with that so he didn't want to deal with the trouble of being in another film so he declined at first but I ended up going and visiting his church which was nearby my in laws in Virginia and I talked with them in person and you know eventually we made an agreement that he would. He would do an interview But he would hold off on signing his appearance. Release until after. He saw the completed film and approved. And so I kind of use that as a way to get people anyone who maybe was having trust issues. I just offered you know. You don't have to sign here appearance to release until after you see how I use your footage so that really helps especially with the second film where I interviewed people who were in the Progressive Camp. You'll you're pretty intimidating guy. I've been around your very intimidated. You know one of the things is that you did the this one. We WanNa Talk. About the Christ crucified. One of the things that I saw this when I saw the film and unite talked about your privately was the fact that you did allow these guys to explain their view. I mean there I would say a good portion maybe quarter of the film is actually the Progressive Christians making their case and then clearly being completely shut down by the likes of every solid. You had you had Paul Washer. You had filled Johnson yet. Justin Peters there's even macarthur and you you you got the heavy hitters just like okay. Let's let's demolish what they said? But I think one of the things that you did so well is let them speak is to let them be able to say in their own words and you gave enough to give that they have the context. I mean this is one of the things that I hear about my book. What do they believe? Is I know that most people don't have a Koran or a book of Mormon or things like that so when I would quote these things I mean. Just give.