Listen: Hunter Biden, President Trump, Ukraine discussed on MSNBC Morning Joe
"The conversation by the way was absolutely perfect. It was a beautiful nice conversation. Why is he on the phone with a foreign leader in trying to intimidate the foreign leader. What you have to do is look at the corruption by the Democrat side. Everybody looked at this and everybody's looked at. It said there's nothing they're they're very dishonest. Thing that Joe Biden is using the abuse of power and every element of the presidency to try to do something to smear me and I'm not even looking to hurt him to be honest. He needs all the help we can get trump's doing this big who knows how beating like a drum we begin the week at remarkable point in American politics the White House trying to hamper Congress by silencing a whistle blower who warned orange of presidential misconduct as the Washington Post framed it over the weekend quote sense of himself as above the law has been reinforced throughout his time in in office as detailed in the report he received help from a foreign adversary twenty sixteen without legal consequence he sought to thwart or at the Russia investigation and possibly obstruct justice without consequence through the government. He has earn profits for his businesses without consequence he has blocked. Congress's ability to conduct oversight without consequence this morning we talked to all three of the president's Republican Challengers for the twenty twenty twenty nomination at Joint Interview Joint Interview With Bill Weld Joe Walsh and Mark Sanford another going specifically to talk about an op-ed they had about about Donald Trump of course rigging the Republican nomination by having states canceled their primary content also joining us on the show this morning former secretary of State John Kerry and Democratic presidential candidate Senator Cory Booker plus new polling that shows a major as your shape up in the Democrats race for President Iowa Meet Elizabeth Warren. I think they already have good morning and welcome to morning Joe. It's Monday September twenty third with us we have. White House reporter for the Associated Press Jonathan Lemaire President of the Council on Foreign Relations and author of the book a a world in disarray Richard Haass. MSNBC political analyst and former chairman of the Republican National Committee Michael Steele Former Chief of staff to the D triple triple C. and former director of strategic communications for Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign Adrian elrod she's an MSNBC contributor and historian historian author of soul of America and Rogers professor of the Presidency at Vanderbilt University Jon Meacham. He's an NBC News and MSNBC contributor. We begin with President trump admitting he discussed former vice president Joe Biden on a phone call with the president of Ukraine. The admission only came after the Wall Street Journal and other news outlets reported that trump repeatedly pressed the Ukrainian leader to investigate the business tailings of the former vice president son hunter. The Journal puts that number at eight times Rupert Murdoch's Wall Street Journal Beka says is that eight times eight times the president of the United States get on the phone and the Wall Street Journal said specifically pressured heard the leader of Ukraine to deal with his personal lawyer to dig up dirt on a Joe Biden and his family it president within deflected questions of whether he inappropriately enlisted a foreign government to help dig up dirt on a political rival and instead tried to shift the scrutiny scrutiny to Biden conversation. I had was largely. Congratulatory was largely corrupted. All of corruption fixed taking place for the fact that we don't want our people like Vice President Biden done creating corrupted it already in the Ukraine. I'm not looking to hurt him with respect to his son. Joe's got a lot of problems just got enough problems without that but what he said was a terrible thing and he really made a it was an offer. It was beyond. It was something where he said. I'm not gonNA give the billions of dollars to Ukraine unless they remove this prosecutor. What the president is referring to this. Biden's role in cracking down on corruption in Ukraine including calling for the removal of Ukraine's general prosecutor who at the time also investigating a natural gas company Johny whose board included Hunter Biden well actually one of the bigger problems is that Western leaders all across you can tell you about but I m f they actually didn't think the prosecutor was investigating corruption hard enough and then in fact he was a hindrance that anti corruption eruption efforts there including the investigation of this company did find some associated right and he was just one of many diplomats to call for the prosecutor Hitter to be fired. Here is Biden recounting the time he threatened to withhold a billion dollars in American loan guarantees. If Ukraine did not take action. Dan and I went over the twelfth thirteenth time to leave and and I was supposed to announce that there's another billion dollar loan guarantee and I had gotten a commitment from Porsche go and from yachts and Yuck that they would take action against the state prosecutor they did so. They said they had if they walk out to press and I said I'm not going over. We're not going to give you the billion dollars a said. You had no authority. You're not the president is it. The president said I said call him. I said I'm telling you not getting a billion dollars. I said you're not getting the bill will be leaving here. I think it was what six hours guys we've six hours. If the prosecutors not fired you're not getting the money earlier this year. Ukraine's then prosecutor general told Bloomberg News that it found no evidence of wrongdoing by Biden or his son they are still in fact saying that and basically saying everybody there saying that Donald trump and Rudy Giuliani in everybody else's lying about this again in fact the prosecutor that was fired actually did not press hard enough on any many of the companies that should have been investigated again including the one associated with Biden's son. The Wall Street Journal goes on to explain in detail tale how the former vice president led anticorruption efforts in Ukraine the Journal reports that soon after Russia invaded the country in twenty fourteen and and next Crimea Biden took a lead role in US efforts to support the fragile government in Kiev around the same time Biden son John Hunter took a board position with a Ukrainian natural gas extraction company Burri Sma the White House said at the time that was nothing wrong with Hunter Biden's work and that it didn't create a conflict of interest since he was a private person president trump and his lawyer Rudy Giuliani have suggested colliding pushed for the firing of you can't Ukraine's general prosecutor to halt an investigation into Reese Months Alive because the Journal reports that the prosecutor had actually quote dragged his feet on those investigations western diplomats said and effectively effectively actively squashed one in London by failing to cooperate with U K authority paper continues Ukraine's government was slow to fire the prosecutor despite fight mornings from the International Monetary Fund and others that Western aid to the country would be cut off. If it didn't act yesterday on Fox News News Giuliani was pressed whether it was appropriate for president trump to press Ukraine to investigate the former vice president and his son. You know what I found out about Joe Biden. Do you know what I told my collie taking cover this up too. Bad binds involved in this. I got a nice straight case of Ukrainian Ukrainian collusion the minute I say Biden that Washington press corps is going to go nuts. They been covering up for years outside. Okay in Jerusalem that now exchange starting at areas straying into what is wrong with us today need to point out fairly need to point out that your Lukashenka who was the prosecutor who was appointed ended after Shokhin was fired. P- resurrected reanimated the case and found that Hunter Biden was in fact paid millions of dollars but Lukashenko said that the board of Barack Obama was able to pay a board member whatever they wanted it and it's just that if you did any work you'd find out Sankoh is to prosecutor that Biden put in one other point when he asks for another question unless you finish. This is really unfair. These are very important things that have been covered up for years ears to protect slimy. Joe You know so here we are Richard Haass. You actually have Rupert Murdoch's Wall Street Journal putting out a fact check that shows that everything Rudy Giuliani saying is a lie and then you have Fox News Fox News Rupert Murdoch's Fox News showing that what Rudy Giuliani saying. It's ally is Richard Haass there. I'm just curious. He's here good. I just want to see him while I'm talking to and so he looks great so you have Fox News he does look Great Fox News and the Wall Street Journal saying that everything the thing that was that that Rudy Giuliani is claiming is a lie. John Roberts even started working at Fox News because it was so embarrassing how much Rudy Giuliani was making a fool of himself. Giuliani's only response at the end was to call him slimy Limi- Joe because he was he was making such an ass of himself and so it's very telling that you have the Wall Street Journal and Fox News calling out these lies and you're actually there when by the Council of Foreign Relations explaining how the entire western Western world was saying this prosecutor had to get fired because nobody was going to loan Ukraine money if they didn't start cleaning up corruption Russian explain that exactly this prosecutor was part of a much larger problem under the previous regime when poorer SHANECO president Ukraine was notorious for being in institutional corruption. There refused to create an independent anti-corruption court and the prosecutors they did have were either too weak week will worship were part of the problem is this one individual was so the arguments that the United States had in the past under the preview on the Obama Administration. We're totally legitimate and we were not alone. There wasn't as though as a unilateral American problem with Ukraine it was the IMF it was all the Europeans. It made it impossible to help Ukraine and everybody wanted to help Ukraine in order to push back against Putin and Russia so again the US policy was totally consistent instant with the with the rest of the world at the time Joe and so what Jonathan on Mir the president obviously has felt under siege especially since Friday day and he has the Wall Street Journal Rupert Murdoch's Wall Street Journal Breaking The News at eight times he pressured the President President of Ukraine eight times to work with his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani on digging up dirt on his domestic rival and then you have fox snooze yesterday calling out Rudy Giuliani who the poor guy is laugh would just making up like fifth grade names detri- Hi to try to attack Joe Biden. Where is the White House been this weekend especially White House insiders on handling a scandal that they know no. Actually he's going to call us the president of real political pain well. I I think the the framing US earlier is right. This is the president who has suffered very few consequences and paid no penalty for his actions. I think the timing of that phone call within Ukrainian president is illuminating. It was this past July. It was one day after one day after Robert Muller's appearance before Congress in his somewhat faltering testimony about the Russia investigation and the president survived that probe with far less damage. I think most people predicted and there was a sense around that he was emboldened that he could do whatever he wanted and this matter he pressed Ukraine for help against Joe Biden the very thing that he news investigative before with Russia the idea of seeking receiving four and helping an election. It seemed like he was doing again. There is a sense of some concern the White House the president himself. Love has downplayed it. He suggested yesterday he sparred with reporters on Friday again over the weekend. Yesterday in Texas mused that he might even put out the transcript at some point that would clear his name. He has people around him. He does not think he has done anything wrong and therefore he thinks this is more a matter of another sort of deep state whistle blower partisan whistleblower the lower trying to undermine him but they're people around him.."