Michigan, Katie Fahey, Arizona discussed on Frank Beckmann


Welcoming back into the program a lady who was cut off the last time. She was on. It was inadvertent. It was just a technical glitch. But she is the executive director for voters not politicians. Her name is Katie Fahey. And she was talking to us about proposal to on the ballot in November, which you may or may not remember is about the redistricting slash gerrymandering situation here in Michigan. It's done by the state legislature right now and whoever controls the legislature, whichever party control up the lines. The boundaries of the various districts for voting and and get advantage in in their direction in both parties have done that over time. Well, this new proposal would according to the proponents the voters not politicians would would put this in the hands of. Non-politicians and would be a fair approach. It's been done in some other states. And they're having a big program on this coming up on Thursday, October the fourth about a month before the election and katie's back with us this morning. We're going to try not to cut you off this morning. How's that? Sounds good. And I'm glad to be back. Thank you. Good to have you back on the show. So first, let's get right into October the fourth and where are you going to be in? What's what's going on there? Yeah. So this is an event that's being organized by the national council of Jewish women. Michigan. And it's part of their advocacy work for promoting devote Amnon, making sure people know, what is on the ballot and the facts when they're going into the about. And it will be over for it. At at Thursday at Farmington hills me and my berry people can come in and registration will start at six forty five pm, but speakers will start directly at seven PM. And it'll be pretty exciting. I will be there speaking from the perspective of voters not politicians. We'll have former Representative Joe Schwarz doctor Jay Schwartz who will also be there. And it should be a good event. If you have any questions, you can come and talk about it or just of listen and hear more about what is going to be on the ballot. This year knows Andy Meisner going to be there as well. The former. Is there is going to be there as well? So it should be a very good panel in just Schwartz. I mean, he he leans left, but that's irrelevant here. Because the the issue is who's going to be on that board later on who is going to choose the members of of the board. Let's let's have our own sort of primer for everybody right here. Kitty. Yeah. So this is actually designed to be pretty random. And the reason was we have a lot of positions that are in our government that do have a partisan lean if you read the constitutional language that's being proposed. It'll be kind of like a lottery, the secretary of state will oversee the administrative part of that making sure people have applications ready. They have some really specific rules on how to implement they're choosing people. And really that's to make sure that we get people from across the states and not everybody is from one county or one city and the most important part. So that we get people who are Democrats Republicans, and then either third party or independent voters to to make sure that there's really a balance of perspective. Did you by the way? See the story in the free press this morning about about this. And what happened in Arizona? I did not. Okay. Well, they've got a story about it. And said Michigan's here's the headline. Michigan's proposal to stop gerrymandering may not end the rancor. And and they're talking about Arizona where a bipartisan commission to the citizens voters approved that just like you're asking them to do here in Michigan. And if when they had their first vote in two thousand it was over the objections of the Republicans in the two thousand two election. They use the redrawn. Lines Republicans regained control, the state Senate and that prompted complaints in a lawsuit from the Democrats, and then after two thousand ten when the census changed the drawing the lines again this time, it was the Republicans who sued so there were still battles over it. In other words, it didn't end the fights. Yeah. I think trying to anybody thinks that this is gonna take partisanship out of politics. That's not the case. But what it does ensure is that there's a stay? Safeguard for the actual people of the state that you're in. So what you see in states like Arizona that have passed a version of an independent citizens are districting commission is that even if there are things like lawsuits that are brought up actually brought up far less often and the maps that are drawn are actually overturned at a much less rate. So it actually ends up saving the state usually a lot of money because you don't have endless lawsuits over these maps. And then the mass have to be redrawn. And that's because I think one of the biggest elements that changes between how it's done now. And how it's done later is transparency. Like right now, we just saw those emails that got presented from the Michigan case where you see kind of how the sausage is being made. And it's not pretty a politicians talking about, you know, shoving different voters in different places or trying to make each other happy or who to not make happy, and it's kind of ugly. And you're not seeing that though, it's almost ten years after the. The lines are drawn with an independent citizens are just think commissioning, including the one in Arizona, everything every conversation. They're having all the data. They're using the draw. Those maps is all made public people can attend the meetings or watch them online in real time. And what's a benefit to the voters? When that happens is that if something suspicious is happening, if somebody, you know, it is in the audience who they know is a lobbyist that can all be called out in real time and said of later after losses brought in they're having to dig through everybody's old records, and it leads to again, we're accountability for the maps actually reflecting the people even political parties might not be as happy. We'll have a lot more on this important issue of redistricting and who gets to decide where the lines are drawn for political districts in Michigan with Katie Fahey. She's behind the effort,.

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