Embiid, RAY, Bacchus discussed on Snap Judgment
Mixed up in all of this. I mean, there is certainly inexperience of of loss or forboding. If you if you look at at the world around us, many of us feel that I don't think everybody feels that. I think it's complicated. By the fact, that in many ways our lives are very comfortable. I mean, I can ride Bart. You know, I live two blocks from and on the other side of the bay walk over to bar. You know, take mass transit and some people for some people. That's not their idea of comfort, but it's pretty easy for me. And I get to walk into the office. I I have a roof over my head at home. I have a car. I can drive my knees are pretty well met. And I wonder if that sense of comfort or an idea that what what do I have to give up to really do what's right or what's needed in this in this world? How much that complicates of people getting to to action and of recognizing what they might need to do that was liquid by the way. Do you think that we have to give up on healthy long lives in order to solve climate show? -lutely not. That's all right. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, gosh. Yeah. I mean, the great thing about what we're doing to the planet. That's all the horrible stuff. We're doing for climate changes. Most of it's really kind of dumb things that don't actually help us. You know, nobody except the people who own coal mines benefit from burning coal, but we benefit from trinity. It we benefit from the services of an electrical power grid. Very few people benefit from dirty polluting cars, except the people who sell them to you. But we benefit from good transportation. So if you flip it around and say, hey, tesla, whatever and electric car gives me all the benefits of having individual transportation. But it doesn't pollute if we get to real sustainability if we really figure out how to address climate change we're going to look back and say what the heck took us. So long. Branding what you were saying earlier about how our actions to take. But before we can take the action, we kind of have to pause and recognize what's happening inside. So that we can free up that energy. That's tied up in anxiety to actually do something. I have that approximately. Right. Yeah. Basically. So in light of the fact that yes, we will come to see the a lot of these practices that are sustainable are. You know, why what took us so long? Why are we not doing this relates to how deeply attached? We are. Right. And how our identities are interwoven with all of these practices that are actually damaging and unsustainable. And what happens when we begin to wake up, which is what we're doing. Now, we're collectively waking up or becoming more aware that all these things. I do what I eat what I drink. How I get around what I wear where I live how I get my energy. How that power is my life. My relationships is. Actually hitched to a system that is ultimately unsustainable. And that itself is a very psychologically fraught enterprise that I honestly believe a lot of folks working on climate and environment are overlooking. We want to bypass that. And we cannot bypass the Ray half to look at what actually works around change in humans change, which again goes back to you know, I don't want anyone to think I'm suggesting one big group therapy, or that we all have to be therapy that we can actually have these kinds of reflective conversations in all kinds of ways. Whether it's in a church or a classroom or office space in order to do that we need to somehow be able to give ourselves and one another permission to be honest and open like, you know, I don't want to have to stop doing X, you know, and how do I really feel about why another I think really key piece? Here is Embiid violence that there's a part of. Us that wants to do the quote right thing. And there's another part of us that actually either doesn't want to hear about it isn't concerned about it. And that that can that's honestly, what can really hold up our ability to change. I think more than almost anything is that that place of conflict. Sometimes I wonder if that ambivalence doesn't have to do with just the fact that we're so separate from earth that we are so in cars on concrete in buildings. If I go out and lie on the grass for twenty minutes. I developed within myself such a love of the grass and all the little bugs in the grass and the sunshine kidney, I don't usually get to bed. But even so, you're right. You're right. I don't like to be bitten. But I guess what I'm saying that it doesn't take much to connect with earth. But we have so little ability in time for that. And I just wonder if sometimes the ambivalence isn't I don't have time rather than I actually really don't want to one way to think about this. We're so stressed out. We don't actually spend time in the natural world and outdoors. It could be because we don't spend more time in the natural world and outdoors were so. Bacchus so much research and the things are grandparents knew from day one. But now, we're funding academic evidence. For is that, you know, hey, spending time near water spending time near trees spending time outside or in the sun lowers your blood pressure, changes endorphin levels and dopamine levels, you calm down even going into an aquarium which Cal academy has a beautiful one of we noticed. People actually are calmer more relaxed. They can have conversations about difficult topics including climate change, by the way. So, you know, hey, if you're feeling stressed out. Do exactly what you just said go lay down on the grass or go hang outside a little bit. If what we want is to figure out how do I live in a home and get to work and have a job in a way that doesn't use eight or nine earth's whatever we're up to now. How do we go about changing our fundamental relationship with earth? I wonder if that's the question. I mean, I would challenge the way this post because a little bit personally. I think there's a different schools of thought about this within the environmental community. Us protecting earth. The thing that we grieve that has been lost a little bit a lot of us. And I would think it's more about ourselves. You know, it's like it's really about the climate change is a human tragedies as well. As one for the natural world this about our quality of life, and what are children gonna live like, and what their opportunities would be like in the opportunities that might be squandered because we didn't you know? Isn't it kind of sad? We're the first generation in history to know their believing the next generation of poorer planet, and we don't seem to care. That's me even more tragic than the loss of nature's the loss of our kind of soul of what we are meeting to each other and to future generations. So I don't know if it's really the loss of nature's loss of ourselves to it's like, I find it hard to differentiate them. I'm not sure if it's that we don't care about what we're leaving to our future generations. But how threatening it is to come to terms with what we as humans, especially in industrialized regions have done. Done. But again, I think honestly guilt and shame are maybe the biggest barriers are impediments. Because once the shame and the guilt come up were kind of stuck because then we're defending against those feelings by ignoring denying rationalizing, compartmentalizing distorting realities are well-known defense mechanisms that we engage in socially, not just individually. And so then we're not actually dealing with reality on its own.