Israel, Europe, China discussed on Hugh Hewitt
America, I'm Hugh Hewitt. Thank you for listening. You may have missed this yesterday. And all the news of Jesse small at and Brexit and Israel dish from the New York Times, Andrew Marshall, a Pentagon strategist who helped shape American military thinking on the show that Union, China and other global competitors. For more than four decades died on Tuesday in Alexandria, Virginia. He was ninety seven his deficit confirmed. Jay, Jamie, Dornan, his executor, Mr. Marshall is director of the office of Neta Sussman with the secretive futurist of the Pentagon, a along range thinker who book product and inspired secretary of defense and high level policymakers virtually unknown among the wider public. He came to be revered inside. The defense department is a mysterious iota like figure who embodied an exceptionally long institutional memory. Well, I'll bet she wasn't a Yoder. My next guest, Admiral, James Stavridis, former supreme allied commander of NATO former commander of southern command thirty years in the service of the United. States navy Admiral good morning now with the Carlisle group, but often up early with me. Good morning. I you must've known Andrew Marshall. Extremely well. Learned his passing. I think appropriately it was announced at least publicly by Representative on berry. The head of the House Armed Services committee, Hugh. It's impossible to overstate the impact Andy Marsh Willis had onto scratchy over the last four decades now unpacked that first civilian audience because I'll betcha they've never heard of Andy. I bet you they have. No, I never met him. But I've heard about him for years. I bet you they don't know what the opposite net assessment is. And the idea maybe even of defense department strategy is alien to a bunch of my listeners. Yeah. I believe it or not the department of defense thinks a lot about strategy. So he say that assessment what you're doing is looking at your comments and looking at yourself your resources, you are looking at what you want to accomplish. And how you are doing. Yes. Anderson strategy, it's in ways and beach, where do you wanna go? What do you have to do to get there? And Andy Marshall was a master at looking at that balance and practical examples one is in nuclear weapons, cold more unspoiled. It was Andy who came up with the basic series of how we could apply deterrence in the nuclear world. And then Secondly is the Cold War came to an end any saw before any of us, the rise of China and became very central to creating the strategy. That is just now kind of edging into public view this balance between the US China. So among many other things nuclear weapons in China. And then lastly back to the Yoda allusion. Someone who bid core. People like batteries out Callans as the current negotiator who solving the problem. We hope in Afghanistan. He was a mentor, Don Rumsfeld. That's how far back you see that. It's really remarkable that a lot of Americans don't understand their patriots who just serve and servants servants serve. And Andrew Marshall was one of them. I was on the Nixon library on on Tuesday on Monday, excuse me that for people to learn I'm gonna take the place back over in July to desist in the legacy project. But I met Doug McFarland on that day and former national scary McFarland adviser McFarlane was they're giving a seminar too much grad students, and I went and listen to seminar for about fifteen minutes. You talked about two things the opening to China how that was run out of the NSA and the STI initiative how that was birthed at the NSA. And you know, he was at the NSA with Nixon for China, and he was at the NSA with Reagan for STI, but I'll betcha Andy Marshall had a role in both of those initiatives. In particular in STI because he came out of the RAND Corporation which worked at which of course, is a think tank you worked on that in the very early stages in again, the Chinese functionality that he drove into our strategy was remarkable in pay another thing inspirational to all of us his longevity. Eighty nine. It was still absolutely firing on all cylinders as one of the most influential defense thinkers in the nation ninety seven years old yesterday when he passed away just an amazing career someone someone's gotta have a symposium on any Marshall. Let me turn the more practical immediate things Admiral Stavridis once a week to talk about some of this. Of course, you were the supreme allied commander of NATO. So you know, Europe as a single military unit Europe is falling apart. I mean, it's breaking apart. And the Brexit debate is going to break Britain, or it's going to break the EU one of the others. But what do you see when you watch that slow burn Jacob meet Marguerite today, saying half of blow is better than no bread? In other words, take the may deal. What do you see happening? I think they should take the mate. Let's back up for one second year. I point Europe falling apart. I it's not just brakes geographically to the doors. The Brits or pulling out to the east. You see the polls in Hungarians who are moving away from Brussels, very strongly and to the south the Italians led by prime minister are among the most anti and then in the center, you have Micron in France who is under extreme pressure because of yellow that's protests, and you had Germany where wounded. Burkle is finishing are terms. Those are the two twin towers of Europe that a whole this thing together. So yes, the whole picture is falling apart to breaks. Brits are. Unbelievably controversial in kind of incompetence looking moment and say cannot as a nation figure out what they want to do it appears at this point. Let's just stop the pain. Theresa May deal. It's not perfect. But they voted to get out if they really wanna get out. That's the best are going to get. Now. I'm reading from the times of London as we speak. It's where I begin because they're so ahead of us in the news cycle when I get to the studio. This is what I start with Boris Johnson last night. Join Jacob rees-mogg in warning of the growing risks than another defeat would mean Britain remaining in the EU Mr. rees-mogg said he now back MS maze deal subject to support from the DUP. The prime minister has been told however that she must promise at a meeting with Taurean piece today to quit before the second stage of the Brexit talk. That sounds to me like the lead campaign is getting realism pragmatic realism infused into their choice right now. Indeed. Factoring into all this, Hugh. If you've seen the recent polling shows that a pretty solid, but. Fundamentally predict maturity appears now what to remain, and I think the those who wanna leave are concerned if this thing drags on much longer the imperative to do another referendum will rise. And I think the depart crowd are getting very concerned. So so add that to the pressure. That's on forest Johnson already to take the deal. Now put on your Carlisle group hat for second as sort of investor Maximus and management. Guru is the UK going to be a great business partner for the United States going forward? Or is is your advice to try and find opportunities for your money to work in other parts of the globe post? Brexit post the may deal assuming the media passes. Deal patches. Threaten will be hungry for US is for a lot of obvious reasons. So there will be deals to be hacked. The problem will be if you go into Britain, you're gonna you're to have more difficulty getting into the car. So as an investor, you kind of pack the head, I think Europe is still get Europe. If you will is underrated as a place for you. I think you're gonna see flow in that direction. But the bottom line is it's going to be age that's gonna benefit small to everything. Doc about the gradual unraveling at the European project if you will yet. Yeah. This one huge global common market is unraveling Europe. And that's gonna create more opportunity in Asia. I would watch particularly India. I think this century is going to be more about the rise of India's the rise trying to win all say, oh interesting. We'll come back to that in future weeks. I I have to close though by talking about Israel with you because the secretary of state your friend, Mike Pompeo yesterday. Talking about the Golan Heights in the president's decision to recognize Israel's annexation of Golan and the massive tank. Battle pot there in nineteen seventy three and Nixon's intervention in the um Kapoor where it was a great speech that Pompeo an APEC, however, they're on the brink of war right now. And deputy minister Orrin was on yesterday saying we don't need a war with Gaza's HAMAs right now, the real threat is in the north. That's a second attempt by Iran to get us to look the wrong direction. What do you make of that situation? I think that's a pretty good analysis by the Israelis in limitless back up to the Golan for a second. Anybody who has walked ground up? There is my army. General Pierce would say would tell you that leaving aside the politics of this. It is impossible for Israel to keep optical it just exposes higher flat low utterly tech in manufacturing center of Israel to say nothing of the entire population. So they're going to hold onto the Golan in terms of where they ought to be looking right now. Abbass in. What is happening guys is your it? It's a tactical problem this strategic challenge without question is to the New York, especially as you. And I have talked about is the Iranians consolidate this swath of territory that runs from hey, Ron to the shores of the Mediterranean, just Israel. Go line is going to be crowns. Zeroing that's strategic challenge for Israel on that note, Admiral, James Stavridis. Thank you as always for a great conversation following that Stavros Jay on Twitter and follow him here. He comes back and make the world a little bit clearer for us every single week. And we appreciate when he can do that. Thank you Admiral time for me to tell you again about food for the poor as we head into the final three days of our food for the poor campaign. I wanna make one more appeal on behalf of the starving. Children and families trapped in the humanitarian crisis in Haiti triggered by the unrest in February. 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