Spencer Bailey, Juden Platz Holocaust Memorial Vienna, Modern Memorial discussed on All of It


W and I say, Suspensive open this book with such a personal story about There's a statue that depicts you as a child. It became part of Memorial because you survived this devastating playing crash. It's a photo from 99, a man carrying three year old three year old you Away from the wreckage of United Airlines flight to 32 this this photo circulated widely, you in one of your brothers survived the crash. Sadly, your mother was among the 112 people killed. And staff. She looks remarkably like like the photo. What do you see? When you look at that memorial I don't see myself, which which I sort of note in the book and I don't see myself because in a way, it's been hard. She even removed, you know myself from from, uh, well, it's hot. Been hard to remove myself from that image. It's been quite a fascinating sort of Journey to understand that image in the greater context, which is really what this book was about, and the only reason I don't see myself in and I should clarified. I don't see myself in the statue, even though it's very clearly that it's me and the image through the statue has come to represent something. Far different something you know, I understand its power to represent something far greater than myself and that I also you know the image of me being carried kind of serves as AH, image of hope. Um, but it's not clear cut in its message, and it's really I think that fact that there is there's a new idea. Underlying the figurative statue. That is just totally Mr represented and what it's trying to say It's almost like the image becomes biblical. Almost in a way it becomes. Something that is about a hero story. It's reflective of something that is not ah, about the multitude of experiences that happened that day. It's really just about one story or a hero story. It should and that, And that's sort of what the book goes into is that there is a power and understanding the multitude of stories, and that figure figured of statues tend to often dictate they tend to I have one definition or maybe a handful of definitions, as opposed to dozens, and that's the point. These these monuments Are trying to weave a specific definition of something. Ah! By the creators of them as opposed to allow us to bring our own human. Wait our own human baggage to something I liked with on Brian Washington was saying on the segment before about why he decided to name his novel Memorial and It's this idea of flexibility. Memorials of their best can offer flexible and sort of metaphorical understanding something that's much broader than Uh, you know, something that's figurative and saying, Well, look at this. This is important. Okay, So with all of that in our brain, what's what's an example of you think is a an effective Modern memorial. And why just for you to give a baseline for audience before we go into details, Of course. I mean, I think the one that immediately comes to mind for me, which was incredibly affecting when I visited about a year ago is the Memorial for Peace and justice. It's in Montgomery, Alabama, designed by mass design group. And it's part of Brian Stevenson's equal Justice Initiative. Um, the reason I bring this memorial up is because, well, for one thing, I think every single American should Go visit it and be required to visit it. Frankly, um, but also because it it shows the power of abstraction in a way that I think is Um, you know, Something that all of us can really understand. Ah, like it would be hard. I'd be hard pressed to find an American who goes and visits that memorial and isn't somehow affected. I guess I should describe it. It's hard to describe physical things and in an audio format, but I'll give my best shot. Basically when you arrive at this memorial You follow this procession upwards toward a Central pavilion and the Central pavilion is all of these pillars there. They're quite compressed and as you walk down this procession Um the pillars begin to raise and so you're walking downwards and it's sort of down toward this water. Teacher and you notice all of a sudden you're your neck Is crane ing up? And it's creating up in a way that isn't necessarily comfortable. And that's exactly the point. Um, I think the subject matter is not comfortable. It's it's about America's lynching history and the history of slavery, really, and understanding that in an intimate way, each pillar is meant to represent a county. And marking marked on each Piller are the names of those who were lynched in those counties. Ah, And it's something that I think that combination of abstraction with specificity, so there's this. There's the names. There's the lists. There's the county's You've got to really understand. The magnitude and the weight of this thing, while also Experiencing it in physical space, and I think that that's a really important thing to mention is, um there's this sort of idea of commemorative justice happening through this very thing. I actually, you know, think it's worth mentioning that Wa Sou in The New Yorker recently wrote this beautiful piece on the idea of commemorative justice, and he's basically what he's basically talking about. Is this notion that we all need to really look at thes things? Not as um, you know? Ah. You know when talking about memorialization? It's not about Oh, do we need another statue instead of a monument or a figurative statue? We should really be thinking about these sorts of environments or spaces as portals. I kind of love. This idea is like You know, it's basically what my book is about. The memorials in the book are is portals. It's It's offering us a place to interact with an environment but also turned inward toward ourselves and to understand our own. Place in this grand scheme of things. My guest is Spencer Bailey. The name of the book is in memory of designing contemporary memorials and reminder. If you go to our instagram page at all of it up in my sea, you can see the memorial that is at the E. J. I institute as well as the one we were discussing. Regarding Spencer's Spencer's memorialization memorization, thie Statue of the picture in case You want a visual for yourself. Can we talk about who gets a say in memorial design Spencer because this is something that is a little bit sticky and could be a little bit tricky. You. There's a case in the book, You talk about the Juden Platz Holocaust Memorial Vienna,.

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