John, Jesus, Daniel Wallace discussed on Joe Walsh


This is just cutting edge stuff. Daniel Wallace welcomed the program. I'm just amazed. That there is so much yet to be learned. What did we learn? For example, a lot of times you reading a bible, and you come to that passage about you know, they will pick up snakes will pick up snakes. And you know, it says that this isn't in the earliest manuscripts. What what are we to make of that? When you see that in the margin of New Testaments new detachments today. They're really indicating that most likely those words are not authentic because they have been traditionally put in our bibles since the King James, and before they are still put in although some some translations put them in brackets, they'll put that note in there, but the passage Mark sixteen nine hundred twenty still finds its way into the bible because it's traditionally been there, but the oldest manuscripts don't have the oldest manuscripts of certain versions. Don't have an ancient translations and both you CBS Jerome in early fourth century and late fourth century working with different manuscripts. But a wealth of collection said they could hardly find those versus in any manuscript. Okay. So you're telling me, those if you had to choose today's only points a gun to your head is this the word of God or not you would say. It is not correct. Therefore, snake handling churches are basing what they do on something that is not the word of God. Yes, I agree with that. But at the same time, they're misunderstanding. Even that text. If it were the word of God. Well, that's that's a good point. Yeah. That's actually that's a good point. But that's a big thing to say, it's not the word of God. Because I think that people want to know is this the word of almighty, God who created the universe is is the word of Jesus is this the word of the one who who rose from the dead, or is it just the word of some men, and that's really the attornal debate with with the bible is this the word are these the words of men or are these the words of God through men and so a little bit like that. I don't know that there's much else in the New Testament that falls along those lines is there. I can't remember now there is one passage is of equal length. It's also twelve versus long the rest of the textual variants. It may have a claim to authenticity are at most two versus long. So there's two there very long and then. The vast majority of our textual variants are basically a single letter spelling difference, right? But the other passage that's twelve hours long has much more emotional baggage with it. And that's the story of the woman conned adultery. But versions of that there's actually several version to ancient versions. Yes. And I think those two got conflicted probably in the third century perhaps a little bit earlier. And then by the time, we get into the fifth century. We actually have a Greek manuscript that has them, but through the first eight centuries, the majority of the manuscripts did not have. So which so which were heart of that? Do you reckon is right and true and the word of God. Or would you say none? I would say those twelve verses are probably not scripture. Story. The story of the woman taken adultery is is not an any other gospels. No, no. Although early on one church father said it's in the gospel to the Hebrews, which we don't have any more. And it probably was in that document, which is not scripture, but it was something that was circulating in the late first century, and I would say that we make need to make a distinction between. What is canonical that is what is inspired, and what is historical? And I think that the story of the woman caught adultery has the air marks of authenticity. Historically, speaking with some some differences, but it does not have the earmarks of inspiration. It doesn't sound like John the vocabulary the style syntax or not Johns. It's not founded our earliest manuscripts. Not search father writes, a commentary on it for several centuries. There's all sorts of indications that this is not scripture. So so the phrase let he who is without sin cast, the first stone. You would say based on your study that that never came from mouth of Jesus. Well, no, I wouldn't say that because it could be could be historical Jesus may have said that. But since it's not part of the bible in the earliest edition of the bible. Then we can't really claim that he said that was certainty because it's the reason I say that is because to my ear. It sounds like Jesus. And I don't mean because I've heard it over and over. But I mean, it has that kind of it's sort of like. Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's under God of the things got it has this paradoxical quality to it which subsequently the way Jesus thought and spoke, and so it sounds very authentic, and it's so brilliant. I mean, there's certain things that he says, and that's among them that it just so brilliant. They make you think they knock you back and just make you thinking all these different directions. And that strikes me as perfectly in keeping with that. So it's it's amazing. You argued well on that point. And I would agree with you. Yeah. And it goes back to what Jesus actually said. But I do not think that goes back to it and John actually wrote. Okay. So was a passage that's found half a dozen places in the gospels and their scribes that are trying to put it in there. Most of them, of course, pre writing this place. But there is some men troops. Put it at the end of Luke chapter twenty one. Put it elsewhere. So here's a passage that is trying to get into the gospels. And the scribes wanted it in. They just weren't sure exactly where to put it. But this was the most logical place. Now, why would they do such a thing because they believed that this was a true historical story. And consequently, they wanted to to to be in the gospels somewhere it in with the seems that John was dealing with at that point. His style riding hang on, folks. We're gonna continue in just a moment with Dan Wallace. Stick around. The way you get your medicine prescriptions.

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