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This message comes from. Npr sponsor valera providing cloud based sales tax solutions for businesses of all sizes valera automatically integrates with more than seven hundred erp and ecommerce systems learn more at avalon era dot com slash indicator support for this npr. Podcast and the following message. Come from vox media. And its new podcast. Decoder with verge. Editor-in-chief neil patel. Decoder explores the future of business and tech with business leaders like salman. Khan david chang and mark cuban find decoder wherever you get your podcasts and ucla. Welcome to the podcast. thank you. It's great to be with you andrew. I wanna start with a very broad question. Which is what can we say based on what's been reported so far about president-elect biden's likely philosophy towards immigration policy and how it might differ from president trump's immigration policy of the last four years. I think you're gonna see a prison biden thinking of immigration as an asset to be managed rather than a problem to be solved. I mean this is going to be a proactive approach to immigration recognizing that there are downsides that there are question marks be laugh but but largely. It's an asset that helps us grow as a country and that we've gotta figure out the right designs of immigration system that benefits the country as a whole okay and looking at the details. A little more closely. I want to start by talking about legal immigration which i think often gets less attention because the subject of undocumented or illegal immigration is such a political hot button. How do you think. President biden is likely to approach legal immigration in a way. That's fundamentally different from the way president trump approached it. I think we're going to see much more robust legal immigration program though not not overwhelmingly so because there are always question marks in american society if you raise the numbers of people coming too far. I think he's going to be cautious and yet at the same time. Think about legal immigration as an important part of strengthening labor force in the united states particularly areas where we have labor force needs and particularly week. Come out of the recession that we're in right now so i think you'll see changes to make our high-skilled program high skilled immigration system more robust Professional visas also perhaps agricultural inservice visas temporary workers. And i think within legal immigration you're gonna see the president biden. A biden administration tryin do something about bringing people out of the shadows who are already here working contributing to american society. But don't have legal documents and i think he sees that as part of the legal immigration system. So how'd you. With people who are dreamers. People came as young people to the. Us with their parents without documents. Have grown up in this country Can he you know continue. The program called daca that gives them the right to remain in the country and work your legally. Maybe get congress to pass a wall. It'll be another big part of the agenda going forward in legal immigration in terms of what's quantifiable it. Sounds like from what you're saying. That under president biden. The numbers are probably gonna rebound in terms of annual legal immigration. Is that a fair thing to predict. I think they'll be more attempt to make sure that you know particularly student visas says which have been going down. Go up again because we want students to come to the united states to study on that will wanna make sure we have people in in seasonal occupations in the fields and in some of the jobs that have have been short of american workers. You know this may not happen immediately because we're in the middle of a recession. I think this is more likely to happen as we pull out of a recession in the us labor forces robust again and there needs again for for foreign workers. Let me also turn now to undocumented. Immigrants president-elect biden has reportedly suggested that he's going to have a one hundred day moratorium on deportations of undocumented immigrants to start his administration. What can we infer from that. You know i think you know. Biden was part of the obama administration and one of the things they earned working together is that it did no one any favours at the time when they were trying to deport as many people as possible and that was the first four or five years of the obama biden administration. And they really. You know vibe was called the reporter and chief but they really were sending large numbers of people back to their home countries and what it did is it. Made people afraid to approach their local authorities. Police social service agencies unable to invest in their kids education afraid of interacting in in public life. And what they did in the last three years. The obama administration was to begin having very clear priorities on who could be detained and deported. And i think biden will start off their. He'll do a moratorium for one hundred days but then he's going to restrict the reasons for which you can be deported to criminal offenses and threats to national security. I'm guessing and we'll see what he decides. But i think that's their thinking is that they will really prioritize is trying to send home only those people that present a danger to american society others they want them to have the security that they can have a normal life in the united states and be as productive as possible as as people were present to this country. Yeah and then. I want to turn now to the issue of asylum and specifically the asylum system at the us border with mexico. President trump has dismantled a lot of that system and it seemed like part of the rationale for that was to disincentivize mass migrations originating in parts of central or maybe south america that would come up through mexico and then crossed the border into the us seeking asylum. And i guess my question is do you think it's likely that president-elect buying will try to reinvigorate or reestablish the asylum system and if so is it possible to do so in such a way that does not re incentivize the kinds of large mass migrations that have taken place at various times over roughly the last decade and have really been like a difficult thing bureaucratically for for the us to solve at the border with mexico. It's going to be their toughest issue without any doubt. I think you're gonna see an administration that is committed to asylum into restoring the asylum system. But i don't think it's gonna happen immediately and i think there is going to be robust border enforcement. My my sense is the trade off for for really being able to bring people out of the shadows in this country is having fairly robust border enforcement. But they're going to try and temper that with with a an asylum system. That's more efficient. More fair probably protection measures that they can do close to where people live in central america and mexico But it's gonna take some time to do that. My sense is the border is the last place where you're going to see. Big changes happened in a biden administration. You'll see them happen inside the country enforcement in dhaka and other issues in it's gonna take a few months before they're ready to risk changes at the border and we launched the asylum system because they don't wanna generate that huge wave of people before they're ready to handle it and you're silly. Thank you so much great to be with you. This episode of the indicator was produced by jamila huxtable and factcheck by sean saldana. Our editors patty hirsch and the indicator is a production of npr. What does it take to really make amends. And how should we navigate our digital spaces. I'm a new summer odi each week on. Npr's ted radio hour. 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