Camille Makovich, Joe Biden, Biden discussed on BBC World Service
Judgments which they hope Will result in radical modish being locked up for the rest of his life. On a hologram with that report, And in the next hour, we'll be speaking to Camille Makovich. He's a former mayor, Shelbourne Nitze, who was 16 at the time of the massacre. He fled and walked 110 kilometers for seven days. To get to a safe place will be joining us in the next hour. 25 minutes past the hour. Joe Biden is very much on the world stage with the G seven rich Club of countries meeting in a few days who gets to meet him and how is a very significant issue a status issue for world leaders a few days ago, Ukraine's president Vladimir Zelensky. Was saying in an interview. He really really wanted to meet Joe Biden before the U. S president had a scheduled meeting with Russia's Vladimir Putin. Zelinsky offered to meet Biden at any moment and at any spot on the planet. He didn't get a meat straight away, but they have spoken on the phone. Sedensky has been invited to the White House this summer. And, of course, they had a lot of issues to talk about. Olga is a journalist in Ukraine. Joins us on the line from Kiev. There was a certain desperation in the tone. All there wasn't there that Zelinsky really wanted to have a sort of a face to face meet, or it was certainly a conversation before Biden meet Putin Will will he be satisfied with a telephone conversation and an invite for later? Good morning and thank you for having made the pleasure. Well. First of all this call is the second call between Zelinsky and Biden after Biden took office in January this year, And finally, there is an invitation to the White House, something that Zelinsky was expecting since he became president of Ukraine in 2019. You and the listeners probably remember the scandal with that led to the impeachment process against the former U. S. President Donald Trump. At which was actually the conversation with the landscape and trump that was basically asking for a quick broke war from Zelinsky saying that he would be invited to the White House if he launched a trial if he supported the trial against Uh huh. That's right. Yes, yeah. These ties to Joe Biden's son. So, uh, Zelinsky was denied a meeting. Then there was no hands at the meeting at his first conversation with Joe Biden earlier this year, and then finally, there is an invitation. So, of course, on the one hand, that's a big victory and the big delivery bubble for Zelinsky will be meeting in July. We know that already from Talansky's statement, his office statement On the other hand, Of course, there is some disappointment, probably for Zelinsky that this meeting will follow Joe Biden's meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin scheduled to take place in Geneva in June 16 or why? Because you know that Ukraine is at the state of war with Russia. Basically, the factor the your is not, but the fact that it is Russia has been concentrating troops and Ukrainian borders. Since April, There is a gas pipeline North Stream two Russian gas pipeline that is almost completed and other pressing issues that the Alinsky wanted to discuss with Biden before him, It's Putin. Now these are very big issues, but there seems to be a sort of a tone of Biden of opposition of resistance to put in much more so. And under Trump. So does Zelinsky hope for advantage. The North Stream two bit of a disaster for the country. And yet do they have hopes in the future? Well, Definitely. There is more hope in Ukraine and in Ukrainian government and president Zelensky that under the Biden administration, there will be more substantial US support to Ukraine and more substantial that it was during the Donald Trump times. So, um and North Stream two is one of those projects that the Polanski hope the U. S. Would help to block it, although the project is on the final stage of construction And during the call. We know that they discussed the this got gas pipeline with Lewinsky, saying that this is not an economic project that this is a security threat, And he also hinted that some security guarantees should be provided to Ukraine. If the North Stream two is completed. We don't know what does that mean yet and from Joe Biden's statement? We only know that the president's discussed the need for close cooperation on energy security. Yeah, so that probably also remains North Stream. Two Ukraine. This is a vital issue because it would deprive Ukraine of its transit face gas transit exactly a lot of money at stake their older many thanks indeed. All go to karaoke.