Amanda Knox, Officer, John Douglas discussed on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory


But just before the bottom of the hour. We were talking with John Douglas about serial killer police officers in that motif gets used all the time doesn't it about, you know, mostly in works of fiction about you. And I were not so different. You know, the killer tells the cop and the cop feels wonder one way or another about it. And but that that duality I think the idea of the, you know, cops and robbers that they're much more connected than they have more common than they don't where are you with that? You were just talking about a case of a police officer who had committed serious crimes using the cover of the badge. We we didn't have a whole lot of those cases the head of a case out of San Diego where it was a a police officer who would teach rape prevention ended up being a a rapist, and we're able to Lincoln forensically through a badge the fibers from the bangle badge. We're on the victims that we got into the interrogation and able to get the concession out of him a big one we did part of our thirty six serial killers. In the initial study was guy named Gerald safer in Florida bounced from department to department small departments, and and they would get rid of him. But they would give him a good recommendation. Just so they could get get rid of him. He ended up getting caught. He he picked up two girls hitchhiking in his police vehicle took him to a motel later on it came back. The next day to pick them up in his personal car on his personal car trailer hitch and his thing would be sex. Hanging. So he took these girls out into no. Area up to the girls got away got away. And then the rest was made. But then the search search was done of residents. We had diaries where he wrote about some previous crimes at the police never really tied anything to him. They found some Keith belonging to victims as well in the search warrant, so he was good. He was convicted on to they Lincoln Lincoln about thirty thirty homicides, and he was killed in nineteen ninety-five another inmate stabs into death in prison down in Florida. So when you hear that would you hear something like that does that bring you some sense of relief for or Justice, or how do you how do you process that? Yeah. I. I have when it comes to death valley. I've changed a little bit a little bit here. I was on a panel two weeks ago New York with Amanda Knox, the Knox get out of prison in Italy. And they also heard of the case the west Memphis three. Oh, yeah. Totally. Yeah. I case very, and so I helped Damien Echols was on the path. And Joe Berlinger was on the panel with mix. I helped him get out of prison with Peter Jackson director Lord of the rings. Brought me in at the time. Everything was secret along with this group of forensic, you know, experts. So you see cases like that. And now that I'm out of the bureau. I I couldn't do these kind of cases in the bureau, but now out of the bureau, I've been helping on cases where I see false. Confessions have been been given by innocent people wrongful wrongful convictions like in the west Memphis three like Amanda Knox with where they bring in attack team the case, Amanda Knox. They brought in ten police officers. Detectives who were gonna interrogator attached team over forty hours to break down. And I always say an innocent person is easy to ensure gate. Than than the criminal himself or herself because the innocent person when they're curated light like this by some say, it's a corrupt the investigator. They think that the person being targeted that this will be over here that will come out. I get my attorney they'll know that. And but meanwhile, you can fast or you've you've signed a confession. And the problem too. Is that it should be required everywhere, including FBI FBI doesn't use. This is is the tape tape the interrogation tape, the interviews. And I mean from the beginning to the end not turning the tape record on after you got the confession. Because you've made or a scrupulous cop of facts of the case. Now, you regurgitating back. So all the jurors will hear is. Oh, yeah. He knew everything about the case. So he had to be him. So. So I changed. But when I see these predatory types, and is all kinds of evidence that we have all not just I witnessed testimony or some jailhouse snitch or something like that that I I I worry that. And I get a lot of calls from people are saying because my attitude when I when people say, oh, yeah. That prisons are full innocent. You know, people kind of sarcastically. But they are we have a case in Virginia here Norfolk four four four navy then independently confessed to a crime they had nothing to do with. And they got a concession. But then there's DNA didn't match. But then they got him to give another navy, man. Name cough up a name. They did an interrogation the DNA. Imagine this what four four. And they end the guys went to prison for years, and they finally got out not too many years ago. Joseph in Boston has a follow up question about police officers. Don't know Joseph you're talking with John Douglas on coast to coast AM. And I wanna say hi to my friends and shade tree, computer guy. Yes. I'm here. A blind person. We have a police officer. Can you give your contact info out of the end? 'cause I don't I'm not too good on the engine case people need we have a lot of people in prison that are innocent. What does one do when one is going to be questioned because I know police officer. I don't know personally. I saw the video that killed a guy that was in a fire, and he went rammed and Ray he wasn't respond. He blood all over this. And he was doing this in the witness said, he did nothing then there were other police officers Ozark the guy on the ground nineteen times at one handle it. And if we ever get arrested. What should we do if especially for innocent and questions go ahead? You don't talk. I don't care if it's you're pulled over for traffic. Stop. I tell my own children as you go. And and say, I want to have an attorney attorney ITO represent right away. I'm not saying there is a small percentage and every look at the FBI as well. We have we have percentage we'll have David Hanson, Robert Hanssen. Gave information. Yeah. To russia. You should not be taken to a room interrogated, and you should require request. You wanna speak to your your attorney as soon as soon as? Innocent. This will come out. But, but you know, you can nip you late the manipulate someone even to confessed do be browbeaten and a lot of innocent people won't request in an attorney. They don't because they think I'll explain it to them. And but the tactics that us. You can be vulnerable. I mean, I've seen so many cases and people even like Amanda stage with her so people think she's guilty. There was no forensic evidence. Lincoln case, it was one guy. Rudy good day is bloody prints thing. Prince the fecal matter in the toilet. It's him. It's not Amanda. It's not Ravi else. Licio the boyfriend that nothing nothing the west Memphis three. They they interrogate a kid with a seventy two I q you told them. There was cheese on the moon, any would've agreed with you and broke them. You know, broke this down. He had nothing, you know, nothing to do. None none of the crime. But they spent eighteen years in prison Damian spent ten on death row when they were finally freed. And fortunately the ice. I spoke to the that the district attorney says what do they want? What are they want? They want to be exonerated. And he says, well, I don't know. I don't know about. That what do you need turned out? Why you didn't know about exonerating because he was running for political office. Right. And he votes looking for, you know, this is so engine we're talking with John Douglas. You'll have a few more minutes, and then we'll get to open lines. But I'm going to. I'm going to ask you at the very end of follow up question from this. But first, let's get to sue in Atlanta on wildcard line on coast to coast AM for John Douglas, sue. Thanks.

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