Mexico, David Weston President Biden, Chertoff Group discussed on Balance of Power


David Weston President Biden is about to announce a series of steps the government is taking to maximize protections against the spread of the over crown variant including efforts at the border to keep the virus out of the country wherever we can We welcome back now Michael chertoff he's former secretary of Homeland Security He is cofounder of the chertoff group So Michael thank you so much for being back with us I mean you had responsibility for that border security Give us a sense of the responsibility we're putting on the shoulders of people like at TSA and for that matter on our border with Mexico or border with Canada Well I mean I think that obviously there's going to be a new set of requirements I think at least discuss the possibility requiring testing within a day before you come into the United States I think be sure to check in at the border in terms of whether people have a randomized testing or temperature or things of that sort So there will be an operational change that will have to go into effect Now this has happened before and we've dealt with it But it forced a little bit of a shakedown that's required to get everybody up to speed on new protocols to make sure they're properly equipped And of course if the land borders you get a lot of pressure because there you've got a huge volume of people and that means you've got a lot of additional folks you have to test or evaluate Well talk about the landlord just for a moment Michael because we do hear I've heard on this program several times and I must say often it's from Republican lawmakers saying part of the problem with the pandemic actually is that border with Mexico There's a fair amount of disease coming across the border Do we know if that's true I don't really know that that's true I mean it reminds me of people saying that oh the border of Mexico is in vehicle or an avenue for a lot of terrorists which turned out not to be true In fact if we've gotten terrorists coming their first land border it is typically been from Canada not So I think that gets swept up in politics I don't think there's a particularly high level of disease coming from Mexico But again you know you have to look at all the borders landscape and air if you're going to take a comprehensive approach So Michael we're going to the holiday season Obviously unfortunately we're going to be focused once again on COVID and particularly as overcome variant But give us a sense of what other security risks that might be heightened during this holiday season One of the risks which will continue in terms of cybersecurity as more of a Civil War remotely we've been using our devices on the network Many of those devices are not particularly well protected And he's become avenues for people to engage in cyberattacks But beyond that we've seen a dramatic increase in ransomware we've seen a tax on healthcare systems Colonial Pipeline other kinds of critical infrastructure and I have every reason to believe that may continue And that's going to require a strategic change in terms of how we look at cybersecurity both from the government and from the private sector I know the government now is focusing on upping the game in terms of defending critical infrastructure And I expect with in very short order we're going to see some additional new steps taken to make sure we are protecting ourselves against not only criminal groups but frankly geopolitical adversaries like Russia and Iran And we had that spate of incidents including pipelines and things like that A lot of ransomware attacks They seem to have died down a good deal Is that because we're doing a better job I don't think that you dive down frankly I think maybe they paused a little bit We are doing somewhat of a better job I know the TSA for example put out rules with respect to pipelines that increase their cybersecurity capabilities But I wouldn't count on this coming away And in fact there was a story reported recently in the news about the Iranians attacking their major healthcare system in Israel So this is going to be with us for some time And particularly as matters heat up with Russia and Ukraine we may wind up hearing some affects of that in terms of cyber disruption aimed at distracting the United States from being too engaged in what's going on in Europe Mister secretary tickets back into your old job for a moment because there are various instance we had that terrible incident with the walker shook holiday parade with the motorists who drove through the prey We also have all of these apparently organized smash and grab it and what you call it thieves sort of breaking into stores in Northern California At what point does that become a Homeland Security issue rather than simply a local law enforcement issue Well I think certainly if you're dealing with an organized group particularly when it's motivated by terrorism does become a Homeland Security issue I don't know that there was concent case was a terrorist issue sure I think it may have been somebody involved in criminal activity fleeing and trying to distract and these efforts to engage in smash and grab alluding in California against humanely criminal What I do think we see there was a phenomenon in which as someone carries out for example a series of criminal acts others watch it and they start to imitate it And this is really a challenge for social media whether these platforms are not becoming vehicles for inciting bad behavior on the part of those who watch it succeed and go well I'm going to do this too And then this we're going to need to take a closer look at how do we work with social media to make sure you're not becoming incendiary tools in promoting criminality and violence And you raise such an interesting point I mean obviously you were a lawyer youth attorney a Court of Appeals judge of the third circuit And as you know well and criminal law conspiracies are worse than individuals acting So some of this is the organization involving other people whether it's internationally in a terrorist group or homegrown Can you compare the risk of international terrorism as opposed to just homegrown terrorism that's organized Well right now we've actually done a good job over the last 20 years and protecting our country against international terrorists coming in from overseas over another part of the world And that's the data to a lot of the very fine work done by the folks in the border When you're dealing with homegrown terrorism there's no border It's right next door And I think that's why we're seeing an increase in the homegrown terrorist acts where there is a tax on religious institutions or things in schools is firing in many cases by the Internet but sometimes just generated And that's much harder to deal with because it's low profile There's usually not a lot of planning communication and the intelligence agencies are much more eliminated in their ability to examine intelligence domestically than is the case overseas because we do have certain constitutional protections And that's why the issue of homegrown terrorism violence is going to require much more engagement by local law enforcement and even by local communities who have to be willing to speak up when they see a threat rising in the neighborhood If you see something say something I guess is what that is Thank you so much mister secretary for being back with us That is Michael chertoff He's former U.S. secretary of Homeland Security and author of exploding data reclaiming our cybersecurity in the digital age Coming up.

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