And and I the last thing I think in, Leslie would agree. We want to do it well, I would say from the period itself is not convince anybody of anything. It's really to ask questions and hopefully watched series and you walk away Ask you more questions. Leslie. The idea of consciousness is sort of a buzzword in the UFO and paranormal worlds. These days, people would just spout out. Well, I think consciousness explains how these things might be interrelated. And you give me sort of. Ah, capitalization of what we know about consciousness now. And is that what moves on is a human consciousness? What moves on when our physical bodies die? That's a big question. I mean, I have to say as far as I'm aware, we really don't know very much about consciousness. As far as I understand it, at least the scientific community that philosophers will basically say we don't know what it is. You know, that's that's one of the interesting things is that I think when people argue that consciousness is created by the brain, and it's just a matter of neuron firing things, and then when the brain dies, there's nothing left. That's really more of a theory than a proven fact before I understand that, But you know, I'm not an expert on unconsciousness. I'm really not. But that's my perception is there are many scientists And we feature some of those in some of them in the series who takes the position that consciousness is not generated by the brain, but it's more like the brain is an antenna. And this consciousness is something much bigger than our physical brains. And that There are experiences people have that illustrate that fast if they can leave their bodies when they had when their brain is essentially dead, and they could go on a journey, and they can come back and talk about what they heard in the room, even though they had no capacity for hearing. They didn't have a brain. You know, you have to question what is how can consciousness he created by the brain if it functions when there is no brain. So I think there's a lot of rocket of questions like that. I don't think science nobody has really solved the mystery of consciousness on that level. You know some of the examples the stories that are told the personal narratives especially like the first episode that comes to mind this physician who's basically drowned in, uh South America. And she's underwater for 30 minutes or something like that. And then she's she's dead. She's gone on yet she wasn't you know that it kind of raised good goose bumps on your arms and get listen to the her because she's so credible and it's so emotional. Same time you have some great witnesses for sure. Yeah. Ricky, do you want to come in on that case? Ou told gotten so much attention that the very case that opens up the whole series. I mean, it was very important for us to As you said, have credible people who are not You know, she didn't go. She was kayaking and chilly, You know, e think over 20 years ago now, um she wasn't seeking attention. She certainly didn't think she was gonna die. Andre, but he has a profound experience. She is a spinal surgeon to the doctor. And, um you know her understanding of death. Medical deaths is When the body when the brain stuff onto one body when it dies, and she was underwater for over 30 minutes. There were a number of witnesses, you know. I'm looking for her her She was on the bottom of the some of this water bed after having gone over a cliff of waterfall and She had this incredibly vivid experience and she came back and she she says she should have been brain dead. But she wasn't and she shares an experience that Has been studied by doctor Bruce Greyson. At the medical school and the division of Perceptual Studies, and he catalog these very similar kinds of near death experience phenomenon in such a way that There's a pattern to these people have these experiences that they're not. Sort of anomalies in some ways that they kind of fall within the study that he's done in this pattern, so there's You know they're similar. There was And what does that mean? I don't again. We don't really draw conclusions, but it just raises questions. A. You know, there are there's Her story in particular is amazing as many of these near death experience cases that you cover in the in the first episode. How people can know these things when they're effectively brain dead. I mean, that really does refute the idea that Consciousnesses exists in the brain. Right, Leslie? Yeah. I mean, that's what I was saying. And I think the other important component of it because you know, especially in the serious. We're very concerned with the characters themselves, the human experience how it affected them. I think the other really important element about near death experiences is Profound effect that they have on the people who experienced them. They usually been absolutely changes their lives forever. And it's almost it's not easier for every person when that happens, so that's one of the things I also loved about. The first episode is that we You know the film, the filmmakers visited a the center in Seattle. Internationals is I am the International Association from near Death studies, and there's a A. So you know, I guess she's a social worker, Kimberly Clark shark who works there. And you really, you know, we get a sense from the people that were there and that it's not easy for everybody Take to die and come back. You kind of think Literature so far has sort of shown this of being this wonderful, blissful experiences and come back and you're never afraid of dying anymore. But it's really not that simply. We've had a trauma by actually dying in the first place, and then you have to integrate a whole new reality into your life. Did it affect your relationships, and it affects a lot of things Not always easy, but it zipped up evil. That That's also another thing. That sort of points to the profound reality of it is that it's not. It's something that really leaves. A lasting impact on a person is not just like having a dream or something. You know, it's It's real. Some of them say it's more real when you're in that world than it is in the physical world. That's how visited profound It was for them. We're talking with Leslie Kean and Ricki Stern about the Netflix docuseries surviving death. When we come back, I want to get into reincarnation. Memories of past lives. Some of the other compelling stories that they've dug up for the Syriza. We go into the break with Linda Ron.