Bolen, Facebook, Six Months discussed on Ridiculous History


That's right folks extra credit the segment where and we get you know some human person that's tangentially familiar with the topic by varying degrees my favorite of late has been the colonel glad when Bolen of boy man he really he really set the internet on fire with that segment I let me love glad when I let him into the Facebook group folks so I I hope we're all still cool did you create a monster I don't know I don't know well today we have another quite informed gentleman joining us the host of the new howstuffworks show behind the **** which does deep dives into horrible people throughout history from Saddam Hussein's hobby writing erotic fiction to Hitler's spanking fetish I believe friends and neighbors then if I may Robert Evans Hey all has a crack in man it's it's it gets weird it is weird there's been a lot of like silent head shaking on this album so it doesn't really translate super well on the podcast but yeah who knew yeah I mean we're talking about Oregon which is if you like yeah if you go to like Portland or whatever it seems on the up and I spent a lot of the last three years and like rural southern or again and it's it's a pretty racist place like Josephine county where I was is chock full of **** quite a lot of them out there so it's it's it's a fascinating place even in the modern day yes yet tons of them it's one of the most racist counties in one dies densities of hate groups anywhere in the United States chock full of **** as it turns out not a good talk no no terrible coffee in terrible craft beer that the **** make yeah so when we when we originally talked off here Robert one of the things that we were very interested in both his colleagues but also as fans of your show was seen whether there was a specific person associated with the the supremacist origins of Oregon kind of setting the tone that we could we could learn a little bit more about with you and you found the guy right oh my god I sure did any Peter Burnett I think Peters is first name yet just a tremendous piece of crap in may be like you there's a long list of of super racist politicians in American history but he's in the running for most racist he's he's he's definitely like in that conversation for sure yeah we set him up briefly as just have having been the one that kind of came up with the idea of these exclusionary laws early on before Oregon became a state and he loved this idea so much they named it after himself the Burnett lash law which emitted black people who refuse to leave the state to be given lashes like every six months six months or something like that and he loved it so much that was a genius idea the Burnett last law yeah he was so proud of his his whipping people rule that he stuck his name on it which is a special kind of of terrible but he was actually like a violent jerk way before he went to Oregon when he was still living in Clear Creek Tennessee he was a shop owner like a general store owner he suspected this enslave black man was every now and then breaking into his store at night to drink from his whiskey barrel because they distort whiskey in barrels back then it was a it was different times he rather than like taking any of the other actions you might take in this situation he sets a trap using a rifle with like a string tied to the trigger tied to the window shatter holy so that when the guy crawled in the middle of the night this rifle shot him dead yeah he was in charge of the crime because it was in in slave man he said he was sorry but that's like Peter Burnett before he gets into politics they must have like a stand your ground law back in those days too I guess I just don't think they had laws yeah thank you use them at the eighteen twenties or whatever like there is no rule and that's such a cartoonish sort of Rube Goldberg S. kind a contraption he probably got the kit from acme that's insane okay go on give us more yeah so hit one of his early jobs before he gets off to organizing after he murders this guy with the Looney Tunes trap is he's a lawyer and some of his party's most prominent clients were Joseph Smith founder of the Mormon religion and all of Joseph Smith you know apostles or whatever all of his friends because they were on trial for kinda sort of fomenting a frontier war that had they had broken out in and around Missouri and so he he is these guys lawyer in his main achievement as a lawyer seems to be getting the venue change that the court case was being held in and this venue change allow justice math and all of his guys to escape and run away and and yeah so that that that's his career as a lawyer before he he gets on that first big wagon train to Oregon for the Great Migration and whatnot while yeah so ya already covered yet he made the lash law he made the exclusion law which he was he was an abolitionist but he's like an interesting way we we thought when we when you hear about abolitionist in the pre civil war airy usually think about just the few people who would have been like on the right side of history some of them were just abolitionist because they were that racist they were so racist and that was Peter Burnett he was abolitionists that because he didn't like the idea of there being black people anywhere in his state and he thought that slave labor was bad for white people so he was like he went up to the right conclusion wishes that slavery was a bad thing but he wound up there through like the most racist chain of logic that he could have possibly gotten too which is always interesting to me that was a sentiment that was big time shared by the majority of people in Oregon began they did incorporate and become a state the majority of people voted against slavery but also for ousting all the freed black people yeah and I I did find when I was doing my research that in eighteen forty at least Burnett had two of the slaves of his own this is Bethany is living in Missouri and there's some evidence that when he immigrated to or again he tried to bring one slave with him a young girl who drowned in the Columbia River during the voyage so not a lot of it's kind of an enticing piece of like what was going on there but that that's all the info I found so far on that right because she was projected to be somewhere between ten to twenty four or something yeah it seems like it might be kind of a creepy Thomas Jefferson sort of situation there yeah I suspected that as well yeah so this guy we've talked about like our young talked about what he did in Oregon but after he got done in Oregon this dude moved to California and he became in eighteen forty nine the first governor of California of the state of California the California is very first leader as a state in the union was this guy Peter Burnett who get a lot of terrible things maybe my favorite thing he did that isn't terrible was in eighteen fifty he changed thanksgiving that year from a Thursday to a Saturday just because it was better for him personally I mean I can I can get behind that it's always weird to me that thanksgiving is on a Thursday yeah that that's whimsical and fun but he also tried to bring racial exclusion to California with the Chinese right well first with black people he first tried to he in his first message to the California legislature he called exclusion like the first important like an issue of the first important the most important thing the California could do because he thought black people gonna take jobs from white people and that they would be unhappy in California and cause disruption because they would be second class citizens because he wasn't allowed to be anything but second class citizens so yeah he tried to they were like a thousand black people already in California many of them free and he tried to have them all kicked out and to stop any more from settling and that was to racist for eighteen fifties California so he lost on that and he wound up actually like in eighteen fifty one quitting being the governor over this because he tried a couple of times to get California band black people and they just wouldn't do it and yeah I mean there's some pretty pretty racist quotes from him that I could read but that's probably not necessary but it is fun to note that after he was no longer governor and after his political career was over as you know the world continue to advance and modernized in his old age yeah his crusade as you mentioned was trying to stop the Chinese from coming to California so he was just just comprehensively racist across the board every chance he he got which is impressive in a terrible way yes at least you can say he was consistent but honestly good on you California for anyone listening who is in the state right now I think this speaks very highly to the character of the state even as far back as the eighteen fifties he he also published an autobiography right at some point yeah that that's where he started ranting about Chinese immigration yeah Robert surely he got some sort of amazing comeuppance right like burned to death in a fire do you know drowned under suspicious circumstances give me some gotten a fight with the locomotive you know I mean I I think he died rich in old he was in his eighties or somehow man that's a bummer now it's just less what always happens with these **** right I mean I think you're seeing that a lot executive the Cosby episode he kind of got it come up as but even that sort of like a pyrrhic victory where it's like too little too late for a guy that's been scaring people over four years on you know on checks yeah every now and then you get a moose Selene or Qaddafi where they get dragged out into the street and punished by the people that they spent decades **** with but that's almost that almost never happens usually they die rich in a villa somewhere I'm really glad that you said this Robert because I was listening to the Gaddafi episode which I thought was fantastic and and I'm still preparing myself to check out the winds dean episode which is a two parter correct yeah yeah yeah that one's a big one what we'd like to do is again thank you for giving us more insight on the life of Peter hardamon Burnett screw that care yeah I know right the mass here but we were wondering if you could tell our if you could tell our fellow listeners here a little bit more about behind the **** and what they can expect when they tune in to your show well I mean our goal is to tell you everything you don't know about the very worst people in all of history so you know you've probably sad you know stone or whatever in your underpants and watched a lot of documentaries about Hitler on the history channel over the years but you probably don't know that he based a lot of his military strategies in his like attitudes on existence and life on a series of young adult novels that are basically like the German equivalent of Harry potter back in the eighteen hundreds while you know and and for that matter while we're on the subject of novelist you probably haven't read Saddam Hussein's romance novels but I have and that's one of the things we get into in this podcast I referred to it as erotic fiction was that close that I love you is too far no no it is very erotic in fact is a long passage where an elderly woman yells at children about how sexy males are so that's fun yeah or those novels in particular largely considered these will make little maniacal analogies about his relationship with the country yes and they're there it's one of those weird things there's a lot of cases like with the cams in North Korea a heart being credited to dictators who didn't actually make it Saddam definitely wrote these books get into that to an extent but they're like they're a mix of rants about modern politics and like utopian fiction and so it's like a mix of Saddam screaming at the people he hates and trying to set up the ideal government three never quite got to make in Iraq it's it's a really strange insight into what was going on in the man's head that's fast in order I wanted to noon and no spoilers but I could you tell us a little bit about some episodes that are coming up soon yet today right now there is a new episode on Paul man a fort part one of which just dropped in part two which will be up Thursday so that's a that's a big one I checked that out and we we've been doing an ongoing series about king Leopold of Belgium and the condo and we're recording an episode today about what happened after Leopold who is one of the worst people in our history doesn't get you know enough it knowledge meant for just how terrible he was so great and we're also recording an episode about the serial killer Albert fish with his one of his descendants who is all up comedian in LA today so that's going to be fun man that's fascinating yeah we get a good good slate we are going to wrap it up today we want to thank you so much for coming on the show Robert Evans friends and neighbors the mastermind behind one of howstuffworks newest podcast behind the **** if you.

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