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"And it was a hard-fought negotiation began before the vice president I even arrived in Ankara lasted hours while we were there we Menendez of New Jersey said he disagreed with pump as assessment of stability in the region here he is also on ABC's this week I see a totally different I always had that White House meeting and I have to tell you the president of the United States says we shouldn't worry about seven thousand miles away and those terrorists there will on September eleventh they traveled over seven thousand Miles Menendez they're referring to a contentious meeting between the President top Democrats on Wednesday about Syria the GO-TO NANCY WHO's calling from braintree Massachusetts. Nancy you're on the Air Hi thank you for taking my call my question is in regard to the American groups and their families were they told that they were coming home and then days later told notes are either going to a more dangerous place thank you very much nancy thanks recall Lordy do you have any insight on that I don't have a specific answer to that I'm not sure what US troops on the ground were polled because it's it's very close hold these guys are very hard to reach right now what I do know is that they are certainly in harm's way right now and have been in over the last week or two they're in watch more dangerous than they were previously obviously these are special forces guys that can take care of themselves and in fact many of them want to be out there helping their card there's partners fight these awful Turkish proxies that are attacking them but they you know they were given their orders and they hunkered down at ah the two outposts that I spoke about and from there I think they were sort of just in limbo the past couple of weeks I think originally there was definitely reporting they were told they were coming home but it's not clear to me that they were given exact orders before now they're going out to the Laura you mentioned Iran and Russia obviously we've talked in depth about Turkey and the plight that the Kurds find themselves in all because of the president's decision to withdraw what is a relatively smallish number of US troops now they're in a very very important region but but Mike I guess the question I want to ask is what does this say a about US influence and clout right now in Syria that that in fact the withdrawal of of a small number of troops could trigger cascade of events reactions thereafter and does this mean sort of a a permanent shift in US influence the region yeah I think again as I was sort of explained in the beginning it's it's a very small number of troops like you said in but in a very strategic position so the border with between Turkey and Syria having US troops there it was essentially a deterrent for Turkey not to go in and do it are doing now which is killing civilians and fighters and displacing people and using chemicals on civilians and I think I think that that was a catastrophic failure of the initiation to us through their actions and it does you say to me that the US values Turkey as a partner more than the Kurds and that's something that perhaps maybe you know might not be controversial but Turkey is NATO ally and the Kurds are not a state they they are an ethnic group and although that's DSS DC has created a fragile democracy in northern Syria which is more than can be said for many of our previous partners in the region they are not a state so on the fees of it that might not be surprising but Turkey has not been a great ally of light they they're in addition to this incursion in Syria they they have also been they bought Russian missile defense equipment which we explicitly told not to by because it's a threat to our fatter jetson in and the rest of the NATO air defenses but they held pastor Brunson for a long time although they did release him so there's there's an argument to be made that Turkey is not not being a good ally right now and they're moving more toward Russia than ever before so I think it's it's really a question of where do our values lie and and what are you interested in the region and are we really going to lose clout in the region because of this decision to sneak in one last call before we ran a time with you Laura let's go to Karen who's only from Hudson Massachusetts Karen you're on the air hi I was just wondering if your guests what what you might think of of this idea you know that he has been clamoring still for some answers about the murder of Kashogi and you know it seems like trump has been wanting to sort of field Saudi Arabia from having to give any answers about that and I'm just wondering if this could have some kind of back room you know like I'll just give you a Turkey this give Turkey the cards so they'll shut up about Kashogi Well Karen thank you recall Laura dared venture guests on that I think that that certainly raises an interesting point but I think that the issue with the Kurds is a separate issue than the Kosugi Kashogi issue I think that Turkey has long had an issue with the US backing the Kurds like like I said before they see the way PG in Syria as is a terrorist group an offshoot of the PK which has been labeled at her group in Turkey It again I would I would say that there is a bit of Prince there's a nuance we don't do yes terrorists obviously But I think ever since the Obama Administration began working with the sds a couple of years ago to fight Isis Turkey did not like that and then president trump's decision two years ago to give them weapons and small arms that inflamed not even more will Laura Seligman Pentagon correspondent with foreign policy speaking to us from Washington Laura thank you so much for walking us through the ever-changing and rapidly changing situation in Syria thanks a lot laura thanks so much when we come back speaking of ever changing we'll get the latest on Brexit from London this is on point in the past decade saw a lot of changes in the way music is made shared and experienced social media blew up genres blurred together and beyond say dominated nearly everything I'm Robyn Hilton join NPR music as we look back at the twenty tints its defining trends and moments listen to new episodes twice a week on all songs considered from NPR. This is on point I magnitude Bharti every time we've had a brexit conversation on this show or quite frankly in conversations I've heard in almost any other show someone inevitably says we're in uncharted territory so if there's any truism about Brexit I would say that is it and the UK continues to sail into that uncharted territory Lori on Saturday parliament forced Prime Minister Boris Johnson to request a brexit extension from the European Union Johnson says he wants on his brexit deal as soon as possible but that is not totally in his control and lots happening in parliament right now about exactly this issue so you can join the conversation we want to hear from you have you been following brexit for the past three years are you a British ex-pat who be affected by Brexit. What's your question for what might happen next in the United Kingdom for example we've got a comment already on our website from someone saying what is this Brexit V. twenty-five follow us on twitter and facebook at on point radio well joining us now from London is Rob Watson he's the UK political correspondent for the BBC World Service Rob it is great to have you back and let me just ask you right now I think it's good to have you are you breathless in terms of all that's been happening in parliament today like just now the speaker of the House of the House of Commons made a pretty key decision while I've been fairly breathless these last three and a half years obey because essentially what the speaker has done in everyone's on Saturday in parliament came to the conclusion guess what not yes or no but not yet and so what I think the government but the reason why I don't think it's the end of the world for the government doesn't mean acts that deal so I am in many ways if I was to make things as simple as I possibly could in British politics I think this is this is this is the moment we've arrived at so Mr Johnson about a majority in parliament to turn that deal into a law either on the thirty first of October when Britain is supposed to leave on maybe a bit of a longer extension wh-whether any parliamentary majority that exists for this deal is so fragile and so small that the sort of the how would I describe it the roughened humble of getting complex legislation through the British parliament just proves too much of a challenge over the next ten days on the process collapses and but essentially lapses okay rob so I'm going to put myself I'm just going to be honest and say that I personally feel a lot of confusion about where the UK's right now and I can only imagine how catch up so I'm a bit confused about the brexit process and I said to my wife the thing about Brexit if you're not confused it means you haven't been paying attention properly."