United States, Taliban, Istanbul discussed on Forum

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So if a US person is there's a there's a threat against a US person that the intelligence services become aware of they have to let them know. And we believe based on circumstantial evidence that there was an awareness within the intelligence community of the threat. Two. Jamaica Shoji this includes alleged reports of text messages exchanged between Jared, Kushner and Hamad bin Salman, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia prior to Jamaica shirt. She's visit to the consulate in Istanbul where he was subsequently murdered and dismembered. So there's some some evidence that. You know, there was an awareness that that he was at risk and he was not worn. So we filed a we're we're we're we're we're potentially suing the US government to compel them to make public. This information to to answer the question of whether they complied with this legal requirement likely that you think that they will comply. I'm a journalist. I'm not a lawyer. So I'll leave it to the lawyers to to answer that question. I mean, I think we I think we have a strong case. But I think that really we on one of the reasons you file a lawsuit. Like, this is you know, you hope to win. But you also want to make the point and said whether we win or not I think it's important that we we make express our concern in this way. You know, one thing I want to mention about the coach you case sort of. Interesting development is the the UN a special rapid tour on forced disappearances is actually her name is onions Calamar, and she is actually in Istanbul now carrying out an investigation into the crime. So that's good that there continues to be international attention. And we're hoping ultimately that the UN secretary general gets behind an international investigation. They're they're not that many clear past the Justice. But that's a critical step. Got some listener comments here. Richard Wright's sad. But isn't this? Also, the problem of being a citizen of a world superpower, your guests talks about other countries. But those countries are countries, which do not have the same geopolitical position. Yeah. I mean, I think there's there's you know, there's there's a there's a a case to be made. I mean, I think that part of it is, and I think we discussed this with with Cam who called in from India. You know, the US should've geo political posture in the world creates complexities. But again, if you look at the data, and you look at who's kidnapped you realize just how complex this crime is, you know, Turkish citizens are kidnapped and. People from Latin America, and of course, most of kidnapping domestic so international kidnappings a relatively small set. Of the overall the overall number. But, but you know, it is it is a very complex crime and motivations are very always variable. Which is why I think it's really critical that we knock it locked into a narrow policy framework, but have the broadest and most flexible policy possible, another comment here listener asks can you speak the hostage exchanges. Good policy for the United States to be in the business of using humans in exchange for other people. Well, this is this is a nasty business. You know? So so, you know, sometimes I kind of at the end of the book, I look at you know, how how do we look at this issue is in an ethical issue? Is it a political issue is it a policy issue and the ethics of ransom payments, and and and and exchanges. It's coercive. It's a course of strategy. So the goal of the kidnappers is to compel people to do things that are contrary to their values and principles. So you always. Have to kind of look at it from that that that perspective, but I will say the prisoner exchanges under the Geneva conventions are specifically contemplated. And that the US does engage in prisoner exchanges. When their service personnel are taken captive in the context of an armed conflict, and people may remember the Bo bergdahl case the soldier who wandered off the base in Afghanistan was taken hostage by the Taliban and the US released five prisoners from Guantanamo for his freedom. And I should point out that if if you were a journalist or aid worker, there would have been known negotiation, the Taliban is a designated terror group. So there would have been no negotiation is only because he was a servicemember that there was although they were court martialed him. Well, yeah. I mean, the question is not whether he deserves to be punished. Yeah. The question is what is the policy? How do we engage when these terrible things happen? You're listening to form Joel Simon from the committee to protect journalists is appearing tonight at the World Affairs Council tonight..

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