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A polymer I think of a column a bit like pay for guidance it's a series of molecules hooked together you can create garlands with little strips of paper creating big holes or smaller strips of paper and that full small holes different polymers have different sized holes which is really useful because it means you can create a casing that less water and slowly I ate if you have small holes all polls or you can let water in really fast with a big calls different polymers have different ferocity is different speeds of moisture going through the nutrients are going into the nutrients for the coding and then coming back out so what I did is I matched the relative solubility of those three major nutrients to the prosperity of three polymers and I started to operate a small coating plant in drums and I coated the phosphorus differently I coated the nitrogen differently and I quoted the potassium with the different polymer so we'd be became called stage nutrient release and we introduced it to the market and it had a huge impact we sold a million dollars in the first year and the growers were very interested eventually add found one polymer over three nutrients rather than three separate ones the polymer belonged to NASA and was being used as a coating on space suits so how did he get his hands on it well in two thousand four he was awarded the most innovative products in the U. S. by the national society of professional engineers face price he chose to spend forty hours with NASA's research scientists I knew that Nassar was working with space age polymers on astronaut suits and on on at that time on the shuttle to deflect heat off the astronauts and also too not that cold penetrate because space is a very challenging environment with you can call and at the end of the forty hours they suggested how to use a gas a proprietary gas on polymer to create these microporous or these passageways so receiving that benefit of that encapsulation acknowledging and how to create up a semi permeable membrane was game changing for us and our company grew on and on and on so what if I went into your factory and I picked up a bag of the staff what would it look like it's some a granule I guess you'd call it like sugar no little bit bigger than that because it's going to have all the nutrients in it I don't know maybe like a hundred SG and size of a granule I have no idea how big a hundred STD system size is that like the width of human half no it's Sam Hurley half the size of an Eminem thank you yes I am with you I really like chocolate so that's a really good analogies okay I'm so how do you apply that to the land it's some always beneficial to apply it around the tree when you're just planting it that way you get the nutrients are releasing where you want the roots to grow so the key about nutrients is nutrients need to stay where there put nutrients need to staying at the root zones of plant feeding the plants if they move readily as liquid feed does in a rainfall or leach in sandy soil upwards of thirty to forty percent of the nutrients can run off it's called in runoff means the nutrients are going where they're not intended into our rivers streams waterways and contributing to a problem called algae bloom aha yeah I mean it sounds like such a crazy amount of welcome research has gone into this particular for me personally but we'll say from well the people at NASA is it quite expensive as a result how does it compare to other fast realizes now if you're only looking at a cost of you know I'm twenty kilo bag of twenty people kill about yeah the controlled release the encapsulation is going to be more expensive at a list price but not when you dial in the labor and the nutrients because with the granular you're going to have to apply it sixty eight times with the controlled release you're going to apply only once the nutrients are released in search of a controlled manner no it's more than slow so basically you end up with thirty to forty percent more nutrients getting into the plant then you would have being leached away what's your product exists if it went for NASA's intervention I think we would have continued to coat the fertilizer with the three different polymers and I think we'd be a much smaller company without having the the real positive impact we're having on especially agriculture I would I would think there was no way without NASA's help that this technology would be available as it is today for growing vegetables more sustainably on earth yeah yeah we would still be doing it but not doing it the right way and in ten and has been able to help solve some of the problems of growing food on.

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