Ray Lewis, Ravens, Kevin Van Valkenburgh discussed on Slate's Hang Up and Listen


Yeah, that's sort of what I meant earlier. When I said you can ascribe anything to Ray Lewis because I think that it is easy and right to want to ask tough questions about his role in the murders and obstruction of Justice. I mean, he hasn't addressed them really, but I think Kevin raised some good points in his in his story. But I also think that you know, if you want to, you can try to make all of Ray Lewis's stick cohere and but I don't think it is. I, I, I also really liked reading those back to back, but I do think you can kind of pick out that, you know, Kevin van Valkenburgh covered the ravens as a. b. reporter for a long time. And you know, feels he lived or lives in Baltimore. And I think he probably. Feels a little bit more of a tied to that community. So I, I still, I don't. I didn't find that like as moving, I guess. Well, Vinson the Clem co piece about the kind of protective wall around. Lewis is reminiscent of what we were talking about with urban Meyer again. Right? Just this notion that how dare you ask these questions? Not only am I not going to answer the question, but I'm going to bully you and mock you for even asking right and the that that sinister touch that you mentioned about him being like, I'll pray for you. You know, I forgive you is this sort of awful. This is where you see the sort of the culture of football dove-tailing very close to the sort of prosperity gospel culture. That's like nobody ever does anything really wrong. Everything can. Be kind of explained the way, and also the person who's done the worst thing is somehow the victim in the situation that asking questions as a form of persecution, that that cynicism cynicism of the kind that journalists, you know, tend to, you know, tend to partake in is, is is mixed. You some sort of unhealthy doubter. The Clem copious was amazing, and it kinda just turned my stomach at it though the way there's a moment and that after he he asks, but before the sort of Christ like forgiveness of Ray Lewis, where all of the the sort of PR folks at the ravens are kind of being like, why would you? Why would you ask that question? Like it seems like they're not only sort of professionally affronted, but personally, like they can't imagine why they're sort of like in-house. Ted talk would be subjected to to this kind of question. You know, not even accurate a question. It was kind of disheartening. Yeah, and I think that we'll probably get into this a little bit in our next segment about that helmet role. But the other thing that I found really notable and smart about the van Valkenburgh piece was this idea that even though Ray Lewis just retired five years ago that the NFL has really changed significant. Bentley in that period and just the way that he played and kind of him as like this avatar of toughness and manliness and the the aggression and the wanting to destroy people on the field. I mean, I think that is why he rather than trello ends is kind of seen as this guy who stands for something bigger and newsstands for the sport. It's almost like again, even though it's only five years ago, he's like represents bygone era in a way. Yeah, I, I think that's definitely right, but I also think that he's more embraced by the NFL because of his like humility stick. I mean, he's the complete opposite to te'o and that way he has the humbleness. He has the gods stuff. You know, he famously said, what was it last season that del Beckham had like lost God, and that's why he was having problems or whatever. I mean like that is his entire thing, and I think it's easier for the NFL to sell that version even if he's full of shit, this hang up and listen is brought to you by lactate morning coffee or pick up basketball game, big bowl of.

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