President Trump, Pelosi, Tony Schwartz discussed on Anderson Cooper 360

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In the next few days, especially of two Senate measures for ending the shutdown fails expected and another federal payday comes and goes pressure's gonna grow on all sides, try to reach a deal. Now, whatever you may think about President Trump or the wall or any of it is literally word for word what he said he's best at doing. I'm gonna make the great deals. I am going to make great deals for country. I make deals I negotiate. Everybody wants me to negotiate. That's I'm known as negotiator. I'm so anxious to go Goshi. Nobody can out negotiate these deals. I will make a great deal and lots of great deals for the American people. We don't make great deals anymore. But we will once I become president. I built an extraordinary business on relationships and deals that benefit all parties involved. Always. Well, now, in fact, that's not quite true. Is Trump biographer Michael down Tonio put it on the on the program last night. The president simply did not see Goshi nations as a win win process says the president he said preferred I win former Trump executive Barbarez was also on the program talking about how speaker Pelosi saying her old boss has trouble with strong women who have more power or who have power more perspective tonight from author Tony Schwartz who goes road and chose the title for the president's first bestseller. The art of the deal. You're not only wrote the art of the deal understand that you kind of created the narrative of him as deal makers. Well, I was sitting across from him. And he told me in an interview that I was doing that he'd been asked to write a book. And I said what's it about? He said my autobiography I said, well, you're thirty eight years old. You don't have an autobiography if I were you the words I most regret saying in my life. I said if I were you I'd read a book called the art of the deal because people would be interested in deals you've made. So is that it was a narrative literally, it was a way of framing a story about which there was very little to say absent the deals that he'd been involved in as a negotiator. It seems like claiming victory is his main focus. I mean, you know, some people make deal. So that everyone feels they win. It just seems like he doesn't view it that way. Well, he views a deal as something he must win and his style of deal. Making is take a hammer and raise it over your head and smash it down and say would you like to make that deal? And then if you say no smash it down again, but we're in a very different world than the New York real estate world. Dow were in the world in a world in which he doesn't own all the cards, and it's also so fascinating that I mean, you've talked about it on the program before the operates in sort of ten minute increments. And that is not this kind of long term view. It's really just what's going to get him through the next ten minutes. I mean, I've I've found myself wondering Anderson over the last few days, what if you? Dial this back, and he started over this was a man with no ideology when I knew him and for long after that, he didn't have political beliefs. He had things he wanted to accomplish. And I don't believe until very very recently. Meaning the last several years he began to move, right? What if he had just decided I actually do want to be a dealmaker? I actually do want to negotiate what kind of what kind of accomplishments might have been possible. And I wonder and I know he spends almost all his time watching television. We know that now. And so I wonder a Donald if you're watching are you wondering if maybe you should've gone a different direction because it isn't working out, and that style is clearly failing the why do you think it's it's failing just because he's not used to working with so many moving parts. I do think that's part of it. I think a this is a complex situation, and there are multi. People stakeholders, I also think the keys to real negotiation when you don't hold all the cards are. Humility..

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