National Republican Redistricting Trust, National Democratic Redistricting Committee, Adam Kincaid discussed on The Takeaway
And that's what we're going to be fighting for during this redistricting process. Kelli Ward Burton is executive director at the National Democratic Redistricting Committee. The Republican counterpart to the National Democratic Redistricting Committee is the national Republican redistricting Trust and like the NDRC, they, too are hard at work, preparing for what, sure to be a long and drawn out process. Did you catch that drawn out anyway? Adam Kincaid is the group's president and executive director. Spoke to him about their priorities as stay start to organize had of redistricting. The National Republican redistricting Trust focuses on data and litigation. Those are our primary jobs are number one thing we've done is we've built a redistricting database for all 50 states. That's something that people don't believe this when I tell them, but it's true. It's something we've actually never had. On our side of the aisle before and that's handicapped, our ability to help, you know, states that maybe you're our blue, but they're still Republicans there that would like to have a voice in the process. So that was our number One priority was to fix that problem. Democrats have had groups that have done this for decades. We've never had a group that built this level of Kind of an exhaustive database. Until now, That was priority number one. Now the trust is kind of moving forward to the next phase. We're doing a lot of public education. We're doing a lot of education with legislators with legislative staff. Then, after the maps were drawn, we will go into a litigation phase. I was going to ask you specifically about litigation because you also made this point to New York Times did a piece recently. Featuring Democrats and Republicans and you in particular saying that your focus was going to be defending maps drawn by Republicans and being more aggressive. About going after democratic Jerry Manders in the blue states. So can you talk to us about the blue states that you're going to be spending time looking at and where our states in which say in 2010, or in previous years, you as he said, You were not aggressive enough and How you'll be more aggressive this time around so well talk about the blue states. I'm talking about the six states that Democrats have full control over congressional redistricting. Those air Massachusetts, Maryland, New Mexico, Oregon in Illinois, and so what we're going to be doing is looking at each of those as the maps were drawn how the process unfolds. On DSI. Do the Democrats adhere to their own state criteria to they are here to you know, federal law where its applicants are there other opportunities for us to sue under state constitutions. This is something that Democrats did a really good job doing over the last few years is they went into these states, and they sued under state constitutions and Brought some novel claims that had never been brought before, And we're gonna be looking to do the same sort of thing in those states because we haven't been on offense. We have been on constant defense for a decade. And it's cost us. What do you foresee as the kind of cases that you would be bringing up as you're looking at some of these maps that Democrats are going to be drawing, so one of the problems that we have with litigation moving forward is something that the Democrats ran up against last time, which is that the Supreme Court has said You can't bring Artist in gerrymandering claims in federal court, which means a lot more of these claims. You're going to be brought in state corpse, and what Democrats have done is they've used clauses like the free and fair elections clauses in state constitutions to go into and argue that map should be redrawn. We'll be looking at clauses like that. Other ones that may allude toe, maybe geographic principles and redistricting that exist in some places that may be violated with maps drawn by Democrat legislatures and signed by Democrat governors and some of those spots, so those those sort of things will be looking at and then Yeah, we'll be finding plaintiffs toe working with plaintiffs in states where there are voting Rights Act claims that need to be brought, and that's another thing. That will definitely be a talking to folks about in each state. As you know, people come forward with issues, but you know, there's Again when you're looking at redistricting moving forward. The litigation that's going to come is going to be multi faceted. You're gonna have it. But the problem is that The the, Um Congress hasn't really spelled out those criteria. Right? And there's nothing the U s Constitution about. Um, you know what you know, Jerry Mannering is or is not. It's kind of in the eye of the beholder. And so what we're going to be doing is looking the state constitutions that do have some of those criteria on by looking at how we can bring cases around this. Adam Kincaid. I really appreciate you taking the time and talking us through this and obviously we'll be talking to a lot more as we go through this year class. Thanks so much. Adam Kincaid is president and executive director of the National Republican Redistricting Trust..