Iowa, P Veritas, South America discussed on Bill Press
All right. So DM t-, which you mentioned that the onset, the, the, the one part of this concoction, the P Veritas contains the Mt pronounce that. Oh, yes. It's dia method trip to me. Could you just rolls off the tongue? Now, doesn't it? So this is something not exclusive to p Veritas founded a bunch of psychedelic substances, and this is something that can cause listens. Perhaps changes in your perception. Your state of consciousness. Your sense of self which will really get into it has a lot to do with the Iowa journey. However, if you just eat the Mt, it's not going to have this kind of affect on you because there's an enzyme called mono Amine oxidise, and that's gonna break down in your digestive system before it gets absorbed. See have to combine it with this copy vine, which prevents the uptake of it. Yeah. The copy vine has an alkaloid called the harm Allah, alkaloid, and harm lanes are Sipe, psychotropic, and of themselves, which is why the, the copy vine alone used to just be Iowa ska. But the fact that it prevents your, the mono Amine oxidise to break down the DM, t it allows your body to absorb it and all of a sudden you're tripping balls. Although I hear it's not all of a sudden, I think it's it takes a good thirty minutes to come on, and then it takes like a supplementary boost. An hour. So later to, to really bring on like the kind of transcendent experience, that people are looking for when they take us. Yeah. For sure. So you've got the you've got the DM t being absorbed. That's the one two punch. Right. You've got the DM t- itself. And then you've got the plant that allows the DM t to be absorbed. And when you put those two things together the P Varietes and the b- copy. That's what that's the Iowa that you read about vice. That's what they're talking about. Yeah. In these, you know, this is administered by a shaman someone who ideally is a shaman that knows what they're doing. And there's sometimes there are other plants that are brewed in there as well, but not always, and sometimes it's separately, and then combined later. Sometimes it all depends on, which shaman you go to what the ritual is. Like, sometimes you're included as part of it, sometimes it's like a thick liquid t-. Sometimes it's a paste, it's been described, no matter what it is. It seems like around the, the horn everybody says it it tastes awful so awful that, that you can very easily through. Up, which is something that's pretty common with, with the Nyawosa experiences. I didn't get that from the from the taste though. That was like, once it's in your body. It makes you nauseous and you throw up. Right. But like, oh, this tastes bad. I'm gonna puke it up. No. Because then it wouldn't be in your body long enough to be absorbed. Right. Yeah. But I think the taste in the memory of the taste combined with the nausea is enough to throw up, but the whether whether you do throw up or not it's not necessarily like one hundred percent you're going to throw up there. The point one of the points of an Iowa ceremony is to throw up your meant to throw up and you're, you will actually be forced into this either. If you don't do it from the Iowa, ska, you may also be given something like tobacco juice, like a water with tobacco. That's soaked for a while. And you'll be told the drink that so that you will throw up because this idea of purging whether it's throwing up. Or diarrhea Zaveri, frequent side, effective, Iowa, very frequent, you are, you are meant to be purging your body and it's meant to be this kind of symbolic spiritual purge of your ego of all the nastiness of all the, the horrible nece. That's a part of you getting it out as part of the trip as trip sets in. Yeah. In the taste has been described the New York Times said it's like a muddy herbal taste someone from vox dot com to get a gun Sean Illing. He described it as a Cup of motor oil diluted with a splash of water. Right. So I read, I read it's almost as gross as Nikko wafer. Had a nickel waiver good on. You. Have you know what am I crazy? What are they go away? For like old timey kind of like chalky candy comes in a role. You seen them probably you've seen them in my old, timey candidates. Exactly. Sure. I did. Yeah. So. All right. I guess we should talk a little bit about. Like you said, it's orange origins. In the Napa river basin by this Ruina, tribe, like you said. And it's called the vine of death or the mother vine this copy. And they think that early on, they may have just taken this copy by itself. Right. Right. Because the brew it's got the harm lanes in it. That's not only an MA. Oh, but also has its own kind of psychoactive stuff going on. So that was the original Wasco. Yeah. And we have written accounts from like the seventeen hundreds when Jesuits would go to the Amazon to try, you know, Christian is folks and trip balls. Because I'm sure the entry was like, whoa. And that's it. Hear about the guy that was just killed the missionary. Yes. On senegalese. The sentinel island. Yeah. He. It's like something from a movie he went at first and a child shot an arrow through a bible that he was holding. Apparently I hadn't heard about that. Yeah, because he had he went back a few times and was like journaling about it. Instead. He basically like held up his bibles like some from a movie and an era was shot through it. And like dude if that is not like if you believe in God, that's a sign from God. Well, you remember the turn around the man in the whole episode we talked about them. Yeah. They were the ones that like you like everyone knew you just don't go anywhere near them. And some fishermen had been killed like years few years back, and this guy, I guess had tried he decided he was going to be the one. Yeah. I don't actually know enough about the story, but he clearly was trying to gain access to them. Yeah. Yeah. He was trying to spread the word of Jesus and paid like you're not supposed. It's illegal, I think even trespass there, but he paid. People sort of under the table to take him there, and they did. So in those people were arrested and his family saying you need to let these people go because he like, really wanted to do this. I see three interesting. Yeah, it is crazy. But I just like that sounds like something you would make up from a movie like shooting an aero through the bible holding up, right? So we got a little sidetracked, but we were talking about the Jesuits like having this on record in the seventeen hundreds, right? When they went in there, like, hey, there's something going on down here. That's very interesting. Yeah. And even Williams, Burroughs wrote the letters in nineteen sixty three and it was about his experience with the Iowa divine, and apparently they the practitioners at the time new well into the to the the twentieth century that you could combine it with the p. Artists and have a completely different experience. But that wasn't necessarily the point that was like an optional ceremony you could perform. But the most the most widespread traditional ceremony was just the vine of death, right? Yeah. And then at some point, somebody started putting them together in word about this out in the mid two thousand when it just I- Wasco kind of hit the public consciousness in the west. Yeah. I mean, in the sixties, of course, in, in certain, you know, subcultures in America, they knew about it because of Williams boroughs, and people seeking out things like peyote and all kinds of psychedelic experiences. But it definitely was not sort of in the mainstream until, you know, not too long ago, and even still, I think even at the time it was strictly, the harm liens, and, and just, the, the vine that was being used the copy, vine, it was it wasn't somebody started put. Tting it together. Frequently with the, the Beretta's plant in. That's when it became hugely popular. Yes. So popular now that there is I waspa- tourism, big time like going on in South America, in the central part is Peru's room valley. And if you I mean, if you you're going down for an Iowa ska experience like a spiritual quest is, is the reason you're going down there. I don't fault you for that at all. Sure. The you have to understand the you have to do your research can't to show up in South America and be like, all right. So give me some Iowa, because there are a lot of insecurity Lous in Farias outfits that have come up to take advantage explicitly of that kind of western tourists. The ill, informed western tourists, who is going to have a horrible, terrible trip and not going to get these spiritual experience, you're looking for so you have to do your research, because there are some legitimate Iowa scout fits in South America, but you there they're not going to take you just show up down there and you're going to end up in some to in a bad situation. Yeah. For sure. So taking part in, in one of these ceremonies. Let's say you do find like a legit shaman, who's willing to take your American dollars or whatever. However, you're paying. Your gold ingots drink hits. It's still sort of funny. It all goes back to Burroughs with the set and setting thing, which is what he famously preached about any psychedelic experience is to really put a lot of thought into the set in the setting where you're going to do this took as well for you. So as this. Concoction is being brewed like I said before, sometimes you're taking part in this in helping the mashed up and brew t-, but what they're really trying to do is the whole ceremony isn't just like for show. It's, it's all part of the thing to get you settled in and on kind of the right things going in like what do you want to accomplish here? What do you wanna find out about yourself? What questions do you have about yourself and really get into that, that frame of mind as they hand, you your puke bucket, although I would recommend bringing your own. Oh, yeah. I hadn't thought about that. I would not want a reused bucket. Good lord. I hadn't even considered that it'd be for me. So, yeah. I can just totally see how as a as a westerner, you would just be like, come on. We don't need a ceremony this. Give me the good stuff. Right. But like you said, that's the point is the ease you into it to get your mind and body prepared for this, this enormous trip. You're about to go on, because you just get dropped right in the middle of it without any kind of preparation or with out any kind of a since you're going to lose your marbles pretty pretty well, yeah. So that is a big part of going on in Iowa journey is, is having somebody who's competent trained and empathetic in willing to stay there with you to prepare you to stay with you to keep an eye on you, you need to be monitored. You can't be up like just running off into the jungle by yourself because terrible things are going to happen to you in that situation and then to help you afterward, as well. And from from some of the preliminary research that starting to come in, if you undertake in Iowa ska journey, I guess it was the best word I can come up with under the right setting under the right guidance with the right support both pre during and after it can have profound effects on your spirituality, and your sense of connectedness to the universe. It can also possibly help you with with diagnosed mental illness as well. Yeah, we'll we'll get to the illness part mental illness part at NIU. But just your standard sort of a truth seeker. Let's say, okay. It's very much tied into like the an ideal conditions and like the sixties and seventies with just beyond. But the LSD experience in that those a lot of talk in the sixties about the ego, and every, you know, hip musician in the United States talked about stripping away the ego. From Brian Wilson to the mamas and the Papas to, you know, Neil young is stripping away that ego of yourself, basically, which which means kind of getting outside yourself to the point where you're not looking at the world around you and how it affects you. But there is no you there is. No, it's a loss of self such that so profound that you can only see the world and people around you as they exist in reality. It's a pretty sort of deep trippy thing to try and describe in words on a podcast. But I think that's sort of the general thing is, is washing that ego down to where it's not around anymore. And you get a true sense of the world around, you. Right. Like for the maybe for the first time. Yeah, yeah. The ego in and of itself, isn't a bad thing. Like it's, it's they think that it developed among animals is that your sense of self awareness. That's the thing that leads you to. To preserve your own life to get away from danger to realize that like you can die because there is a you. Right. It's a very basic thing. The problem is in humans, as we've evolved are ego has also evolved. It can get to a point where it's unhealthy. It's kind of toxic. It can help you develop Badra, bad relationships, people don't wanna be around. You can also affect your self esteem..