Duran Duran, Matt Hennessy, Ben Stiller discussed on Michael Medved


Back with the Tom shillue show. I didn't promise you anything in case you didn't show up. But then he did show up Matthew Hennessy's here. Matt hennessy. I can call you Matt right? You sure can Matt Hennessy writes for the Wall Street Journal. So you're in the building I work in the same building as you. I didn't even know that I got your book people have been telling me about your book. And I said I got to get this guy on the show. And then I emailed you. And you you you are available. So we made it happen. I always make a point to Email people within thirty to forty five seconds left. They think I'm nothing. Are you good at that? I'm bad at returning the emails. Well, it's a bit of foreshadowing because I'm about to body slam people who are that are who are that on top of their personal. I know it's funny, isn't it? So the book is zero hour for gen-x. I love talking about genetics. The generation I mean, it's really is. It is is Janine Garoppolo the poster child for our generation, she originally, she was the almost the definition of gen-x wasn't. She I don't know if I want to grant her that. But definitely a gen xer was that movie. She did with Ben Stiller. It was the definition of gen-x guys know that don't you didn't Ben Stiller. Josh reality by reality bites. Lease not the star of that. No. I guess you're right. No, no. She's not if it's Ethan Hawke and Winona Ryder, your rights, Winona Ryder. Keyed right in on. She was the real stock. Anyway, look it's zero for generics. And you have an interesting thesis for this book. And you know, what's interesting. I read the introduction. I kept reading it over and over again your opening why because it it has the all the important thesis thesis of the book laid out. Okay. And it reminded me of Jonah Goldberg who his the introductory chapter was enough. We spent the entire interview talking about the first three pages of his book, and this is a similar book. And then he went ahead and wrote how much he loved your book on the back of yearbook that was very nice. And did you tell him that you were only gonna talk about the first few pages or did he figure it out or I told him, and he said excellent he was he was like. Yeah. So I'll do that. If you want to okay. The first highlight in the book. Okay. Because the subtitle of the book is how the last adult generation can save America from millennials. Why us why this generation? I mean, you're one of them your genetics. Are you jenex? I am gen-x. It'd be a very strange book for me to write if I wasn't. Well, we're on the edge the other opposite ends of I'm gen-x. Okay. I was born in sixty six don't say, I'm not genetic. I didn't say you weren't login. You got gen-x all over you k so why this generation why are we the ones to save things? Well, because we remember what the world was like before the internet came along. And that's significant because we were I call us the last adult generation, which is kind of a heavy mantle. But what I mean by it is that we were the last. Group generation of Americans to get cut from a baseball team. Or to be told that we weren't very good at something. We were the last generation to to ride the ride our bikes in the neighborhood without our helmets on. We were not the participation trophy generation the ills that have sprung from that way of parenting children are pretty well documented you were talking about this line for your here. Okay. Unlike the millennials we remember what life was like before the internet invaded. And conquered nearly everything that's intense. Is it it don't you think? It's true though. You know, what as I'm reading this book? I'm like, I'm embarrassed. I wanna throw my phone away. But then I think I can't I, you know, my producer, Matt. And I plan the day's events on the phone in the morning. I Email him. He'll Email me stories. They come and they have all the links in them. And then I Email them back on the train on the way here and sometimes thinking, oh boy technologies fantastic. Because. Allows me to work while I'm on the train. This is so great. But then reading your book, I'm thinking, it's horrible technology has ruined our lives. Okay. Well, let me explain why I wrote the book because I do have technology. Of course, you can't live without it. I don't live without it. I'm not on sensitive to the criticism here, which is just a giant hypocrite. But I wrote the book because I sensed a change in me. I notice that I was they call it digital distraction. I was getting addicted to my phone. I was having a hard time concentrating in situations where I really wanted to be able to concentrate and the story that I tell them the book is about making pancakes with my kids on Saturday mornings. I work I work late. I get home late. I often don't get a chance to see my kids in the evening. So Saturday morning, I really look forward to it. And I found that on Saturday mornings while I was making these wonderful, delicious home-made pancakes, I was like looking at my phone every thirty seconds or or or less like I couldn't put it down. And I realized that this was not me like this is not this is this was a new thing. I have picked this behavior in the last five or seven years. Maybe I mean, how long of these things been around ten years. Do your kids ever tell you to put it put that phone. Of course, I have a two year old and he comes around, and he bangs on my on my hand if I'm if I'm looking at it. So I'm horrified by myself. That's why I decided to write this book because I think there has to be there has to be a way back. I'm not talking about throwing these things out. But maybe we don't need to put Amazon Alexa in the bathroom in every room of the house. Doesn't have to be wired up to the internet. Yeah. Maybe your toaster doesn't need to be on a direct hotline to Cupertino or a back. We were the promise a couple of years ago was that it was all going to be connected. And I do, you know, but the thing is I don't want people to think because I want everyone to read this book. But I don't want them to think it's just a bunch of advice to put your cellphone down. You told a story about going to buy a record? I think it was Duran Duran. Oh, yes. It's true. I record. It was your first purchase. Right. That was the first record. I ever bought. Yeah. Duran duran. Duran Duran album seven and the ragged tiger. Oh, seven and the Red Sea. I had it because I'm on the other end of Jags had had Durant Durant originally, the planet earth film. No before that before the planet earth planet. Who knew there was anything before that? I know so. But the the act of going to the mall picking up the record bringing home holding in your hand, your friends came over and saw that you had that album. Those experiences are gone because people have their music collection in the cloud. So what does that mean? What what other things have we, you know, why was it better to go and buy Duran Duran album by hand, then having your music in the cloud. Well, I use it as a as a self deprecating illustration a metaphor for what the problem is. Which is that we don't have the ability to wait for anything anymore. And you know, I listen to you previous discussion about millennials. And why they're so obsessed with socialism, and my theory is that they are so used to having every single problem solved almost instantaneously. They don't know what it's like to wait for the new Durant Iran album to come out have you noticed this recent trend? Among rap artists move you haven't. Of of secretly releasing outlook beyond say or Jay. We'll just people won't know. It's coming. Yeah. And then suddenly it's like, oh my gosh. There's a new beyond say album today that I think is they do it that way because they're trying to. Mimic that feeling that used to have of being excited and building up to something. And and being looking forward to it because you can't have that experience anymore because every single you can download a movie to your telephone in an instant chemo. Imagine how how crazy that is. If you really think about it. There's nothing that you can't have in an era anymore. When you do have to wait. Then you get mad. Right. You remember that famous Louis CK bit that I that I mentioned in the book about how their people are flying through the air at thirty thousand feet at the speed of light. And they're all upset because they can't get WI fi on their on their phones. There's a that's a big problem. I don't hear that many people. Expressing to kind of anxiety about it that I have. So I wanted to write the book to sort of in in promoting the book and then walking around and talking to people about it. I'm definitely hearing back that. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, this stuff kind of freaks me out to. I don't think it's so good that we don't wait for the things that we want anymore. We don't in a lot of cases even pay for the things that we want anymore. Yeah. The the communications that have happened on social media people have conversations on Twitter on Facebook. And I don't even get involved in them because they're so ridiculous. Their arguments over foolish things about who should be cast in a movie different groups things like that. And I think I'm not even the I want to argue this issue, but I can't get involved in it. And I think it's there's as I'm reading your book, I'm thinking, should we be talking to each other all the time in the old days? Like, you're talking about the days of this reminds, you know, the the memories in my book mean dad's for a better America. I talk a lot about jumping off the roofs and getting into trouble and being riding bikes on your own and being away from parents in that world away from parents. Okay. But we had our neighborhoods. And then there was the the other neighborhood the bad neighborhood. We didn't really have bad neighborhoods in my town. But the idea is oh don't cross that street. That's where the bad kids, are whatever there were figuring things out the woods. How far into the woods? You could go. With things like that. And we learned and we we we got to develop judgment. Do you think that the current crop of young people haven't developed it? They haven't developed judgment. Of course. Not. Yeah. No, that's not even debatable. I mean, of course, you're going to find the odd one who has an, you know, and it's going to explode the whole theory. But the mere fact of being out of touch from your parents fostered in all of us, a kind of a self reliance and a kind of grits that parents they pay money to get a coach to I'm sorry. You know, the the higher coast to try to get their kids to be grittier is totally absurd. You could just kick them out of the house. Another element of this is I don't know what your personal life through your background is like, but a lot of people came home to empty houses from after school. In the seventies in the eighties. Like that was the thing. Yeah. Women were going into the workforce in large numbers the divorce rate peaked. So there was a lot of single parent families out there this business of the latchkey kid, nobody talks about that anymore..

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