Eton Manor, Arya Kaplan, Daniel discussed on Ben Greenfield Fitness


Meditation, prayer, scripture reading, you know, we already know they're wonderful for things like personal and professional breakthroughs and sexual intercourse and things like that. But in terms of weaving these into like, you know, burning this type of incense during a morning prayer session or sprinkle a little bit of frankincense on cannabis flower and smoking that before you go deep into prayer. I mean, there's actually some very, very interesting use cases for this type of approach. It just seems like not a lot of people are talking about it because in Christianity, you kind of get your hand slapped if you mentioned plant medicines, AKA, you know, drugs and reefer madness and all that just because of the associations. Yeah, well, that's an unfortunate path that I wouldn't say, yeah, so fortunate parts that certain priests and certain people who are a little bit too comfortable with their power have taken because the Bible you know is very clear. It says God made grass for the well got God made all things for purpose and made all things good. Indeed. So the cashew, the laws on kosher. There's no drugs that all kinds of things are not kosher, but none of the plant drugs are. The only drug that you might think of as uncased is the toad because you're not going to link codes and toads are not kosher. But there's this wonderful line. This is from exit this as well. And this is from the scene where the Israelites are looking at Mount Sinai. And Moses has gone up, right? And the rest of them are down there. And they have all Eton manor at this particular scene. And this is the only time in the Bible where you see a collective vision. You often see visions, but they don't happen to a lot of people at the same time. So for example, Daniel sees the writing on the wall, right? Not everybody else these are writing on the wall. So the argument there, I would say that the writing in the wall was what Daniel was saying. And you could say that it was in his head or you could say he was seeing some other level of reality or whatever you might want to say. But the point I'm making is that not everyone gets to see the writing on the wall. And in some scenes, for example, you'll get someone who will see something and someone will hear something. But you don't, but you never have a collective vision except in one point of the book. And that is the vision of Sinai, which is another one. And this is the line that says, and all the people are seeing the voices and the flames and the sound of the trumpet, right? Now, I've never seen a voice. I've never seen the sound of a trumpet, because you don't see sounds unless you can aesthetic or under the influence of something. Yeah, so as synesthesia is where you mix, sinister, yeah, that's what I meant. So this is the only example of synesthesia in the Bible and it's the only example of collective vision and it's the time when all the Israelites are eating manor. So I think that's rather a rather interesting an interesting addition to the argument that manna is ergo. Yeah, yeah. And by the way, when it comes to these altered states of consciousness, you know, it's not as a plant medicines are the only route to achieve these states. I read a couple of books two months ago, one called meditation in the Bible. Another one called Jewish meditation by this guy named Arya Kaplan, who's like a rabbi and an author and he has this whole series of different meditations that apparently were used by the prophets to attain altered states of consciousness. These meditative practices were widespread among the Jews throughout Jewish history and these ancient secret forms of attaining an altered state of consciousness. You know, it's something that apparently has been lost. That particular vocabulary of meditation to a large degree during the last century, but these books reveal some really interesting meditative practices that can be combined with these medicines or even used on their own to achieve an altered set of consciousness, kind of like, you know, one could instead of using LSD take stanislav graphs approach of using something like holotropic breathwork instead. So it's not as though you have to have again like a drug or medicine or something like that to achieve these states, but combining some of these things with other elements such as meditation or breathwork or using them on their own or not using them and using meditation and breathwork and things like that are all things that I think, I guess a lot of people, you know, especially, for example, like the average Christian person might be listening in, you know, who just sits down with their Bible every morning and read the Bible and absolutely nothing wrong with that, but I've found that that at certain times of the year, certain times of the month, like taking a deeper dive and incorporating a lot of these strategies that God is a little of the old in scripture. It's super interesting, but again, I get some backlash, you know, for being like a hippie hippie patchouli smelling Christian for doing some of this stuff too. Have you seen some backlash from the Christian community as far as like some of the things that you've written or video recorded like do people get upset about some of this stuff? I remember once I was doing a tour of Irish universities and these guys were giving out flyers and there was a university professor. He wasn't even my theologist. He was a Professor of something else. And the talk was drugs in the Bible. And then there was this literally professor university saying, ah, there's no drugs in the Bible. And yeah, I mean, that kind of ignorance got quite astonishing from someone who's teaching university. But I haven't had a lot of backlash. No, I mean, no one's come and hassled me about it in particular. I think Christians certainly English Christians tend to be generalized, but they tend to be quite quiet. The Anglican faith is quite a quiet vibe to it, really. No, I haven't really dealt with touch backlash. I just want to add something to what you said there. Yeah, there's no reason why you need to take drugs to get closer to God. But there is every reason why you should leave other people alone who want to do that because it's certainly not your place to go against what it says in the Bible. If you're a Christian and the Bible it says, the plants are good. And that's really, really simple. In terms of your books that you've written and I've actually seen your videos and read some of your articles and papers all of which I'll link to in the show notes, but these books that you've written neuro apocalypse and science revealed that both of those take deeper dives into this particular topic or those books have a different thing. The one which looks at this closely is neuro apocalypse. And the drugs in the Bible is one chapter of it. The rest of it is part of it's about linguistics. The overall theme is what can we do to our heads to give us access to revelation? And when I'm talking about revelation, I'm not necessarily talking only in the spiritual sense of spiritual secrets, but for example, there's a famous old experiment with psilocybin where people are looking at parallel lines on a screen and parallel lines are slightly moving. And the subjects in the experiment asked to say when the line, when they can see that the lines aren't parallel anymore. And if you get so on psilocybin before they do that, lo and behold, they spot it quicker. And I think the head researcher of that his comment was that this compound undoes, what is it?.

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