Jimmy Rogers, Hank Williams, Chivvy Rocha discussed on WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
I guess a lot of the the the drunk outlaws are starting to get big hits. Yet will thank Williams. You mean? Yeah. Sure. Lefty frizzell. Yeah. They were you know, Hank Williams co-writer rose. What was his name? I forget the guy's first name not Wesley, but Wesley said. He was a ten pin alley songwriter. And they were trying to write broad hits to they. Right. They were trying to be country necessarily they were trying to be. They were all trying to be pop artist. Jimmy Rogers skull, the father of country music thing. Break man, yet he learned to play from an African American Hank Williams learned to play from an African americ- really didn't. Yeah. In fact, there's a there's a series. We did I did withdrew Christie called drawn and recorded in the great story ended about Jimmy Rogers about some missionaries going to central Africa in the twenties and taking her thirties. Maybe taking a Jimmy Rogers record. Yeah. And over time Jimmy Rogers, Scott mythologised in the kipps tribe as half man half antelope. And they have a song they called him chivvy Rocha in a house on about that. So I understand the beat started. We're talking about. But the poetry of the beat Knicks really started with. I don't know, which I I guess some people attributed to Furling Getty who Ginsberg Ginsburg. Yeah Furlan Getty. And then there was a Carro wax two hundred something choruses that that was something. But there's a rhythm to it. Lord. Buckley? Yeah. Yeah. Love buckling. Right. Yeah. But, but, but it's a familiar mode of talking, you know, when you want to convey, you know, poetic impact. That's right. And you do it throughout this record. And did is how you saw the background. Did you see because the music is not it's not obtrusive it's woven in. And it seems like this is really showcasing. What you're you're saying. Well, the music grew out of the work we were doing on tr- intruder -tective really which became very dark kind of like. And I don't mean to keep saying dark because I. I liked art. So when I say dark, I I'm not saying like, you know, I don't know if it's not danceable. I like it dark is the man's. Yeah. Exactly. The music floats. Yeah. Well, the music I think of it. It's you know, the drum was the first folk instrument. Yeah. The you know, if this was being played in this village the village over there new not to come around. I noticed that about a lot of your stuff is that, you know, you do us. We're not talking you use indigenous American drum beats that's right. A lot of times. They're they're not like the blues beats or not shuffles. They're they're they're American Indian. Yeah. That's right. That's right. But, you know, back in those days everybody listened to everybody back in the twenties Beck in the early times. There's a lot. If you listen to like, a from the Kiowa Indians were I'm from where are you from from Fort Worth Texas for worth? Yeah. So so those the Indian size would be like, hey, you know, it sound just like bluegrass. Know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So everybody was checking out everybody. Jimmy Rogers was listening to Louis Armstrong. You know? No, I get that. But I I it's hard for me sometimes to to find the integration of American Indian into certain things until I there's a movie on called rumble a documentary about link Wray and some of the pioneers of rock, and that's good. It is. It's trippy right, man. I mean, you know, who to known that that was usually carried down genetically through actual individuals where they picked up the groove..