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I am a Claremont institute Lincoln fellow. I can't speak highly enough about the Claremont institute. I'm delighted to have Ryan Williams. Joining us now, not least because Ryan was instrumental in a new article coming up on a climate institute website American mind dot org. I suggest you all take a look at this slightly spicy. I think it's called our house divided multiculturalism versus America by Thomas de clinging stain. And it's a fascinating article. Ryan, thanks for joining us to discuss this. I guess I guess there's always trepidation when when publishing something like this, especially you know, in August institution the Claremont institute. Waiting into into the debate surrounding multi-culturalism. I mean, I personally don't have an issue doing it myself. But you know, what kind of rocks get thrown by the establishment media when something like this happen? So just like, let's let's talk through this article a little bit. Let's talk about it's it's it's a prognosis over multiculturalism. And then and then perhaps you can talk us through a little bit of the thought process behind this. Sure. Yeah. Thanks for having me. Tom Clinger's seen is full disclosure clermont's board chairman, which of course, is in his byline, but he wanted to update this term multiculturalism, which a lot of us. Probably haven't heard since the nineties and tie it to identity, politics, and political correctness really to to lay the blame for for the some of our past policies, and our identity politics pathologies and our current political pass at the feet of the academy and the project that it's been been going about for the last fifty years. It's pretty it's pretty it's pretty in depth. I mean, it doesn't it doesn't pull any punches here. I mean, you know, looking at looking at both the astonishment perspective on multiculturalism is what is the rights perspective on multiculturalism? What do you think the key takeaways from from docks clinging Steinar? Well, his his one of his his lead point was really that. A lot of conservatives didn't understand what Trump was doing team draws a provocative analogy between Trump and Lincoln, and his point is that, you know, in the slavery crisis in the fifties Lincoln oriented, his whole political project around getting rid of slavery and making sure that the principle that it was right didn't spread which was the principal of the south. And that. All the means that were asked his disposal. We're interested. If that goal so Tom's analogy is to try to unite conservatives these days behind Trump because he gets one thing right, at least at the very least. And that's the insanity of political practice in its nature. So Tom Tom thinks that we have to keep that in view, and you know, that ought to orient and. Trump and context and put the larger project of what should be the larger project of conservatism these days within focus. So it might mean policy priorities that that conservative ink is not used to it might mean a lying behind a man that they're uncomfortable with. But the main goal should be kept inside. Because really if we allow multiculturalism and identity politics to become the dominant way of thinking in American national political life than the games up. Yeah. I'm just going to quote from this article a little bit. And then and then we'll come back and discuss more of it quote. Trump's entire campaign was the defense of America. The election was fought not so much over policies character how Email service no or James how. Comey as it was over the meaning of America. Trump's wall was not say Daria much about is keeping or foreigners are out as it a was keeping letter more alien a commitment presence to a distinctive who's that have been country involved with this immigration planet free for trade millennia. and foreign Is policy this rental ready about here protecting are artificial our own intelligence in these policies is. Trumpers, I think raising the question who exactly are we what as he a nation. says. He owns it I by think being it is Trump an a man existential made in America threat unmistakably, are we about an to unapologetically bring it into existence? American If we and don't like get most a of his backup fellow citizens planet one who does to not give coast. a hoot We what Europeans could or intellectuals kill ourselves on think this planet I picked that. midnight I picked the on News Radio paragraph tail above is. DJ. Because not only do I host one might argue. The I am a European Markelle intellectual. melinda. Yeah. We give you a pass game your favorite, European intellectual. That makes it pretty quick. And I suppose maybe we can reflect on on the impending midterm elections using that as well. I mean when you've looked at this and you'll typically out in in California, right? When you've looked at the last couple of months of campaigning. Whether it's been Abernathy in stormy Daniels. Whether it's been brek having all whether it's been migrant caravans, it all seems to be coming back to what Thomas things done is written in this article, right? What it means to be America? What America not just allows? But also tolerates and does it really tolerate having its commander in chief having his genitalia rose up in in news articles having blow up Dole's of him like dressed as a rat. Now, it tolerates it in the sense of freedom of speech and freedom of expression. But I think to borrow the website name of yours. I think the American mind rejects that, right? I think they don't see as fair play. They don't see it as fair. Game, whereas the whereas the presidential campaign as as this article suggests. It did come down to it. I said at the beginning of this radio show today, I quoted Lincoln in indifference of this president, which is why I wanted to have you on it comes down to what you know, what this country looks like. And I think that's why of course, the migrant caravanning shoes is looming. So large as an issue. Yeah. Yeah. I think so, you know, Trump's critics see criticism of migrant caravan or criticism of foreigners who might not be suitable for Republican government is simply racist or white nationalist or other some other absurd ad hominem attack. Whereas think Tom likes went out in the article, and I think you can fight it in many of Trump's speeches as well. What we're really talking about is a common citizenry sharing with shared borders, which has every right to determine who who knew citizens ought to be the criteria for admitting people who wanna join this political community. So in that sense. It's it's thoroughly American and goes back all the way to our serious constitutionalism, the declaration and idea that we all concerned together to form a government that doesn't have anything to do with whiteness, or or the nastier strains of of modern, nationalist politics. The European ready? Now, you guys are no strangers to publishing controversial articles in September of two thousand sixteen you publish the Michael Antonia say the flight ninety three election. I just want to quote from that because it was really one of those articles that left an indelible Mark on. And I think the the American intellectual mind that was trying to analyze what was going on there. I quote from from Michael Anton who who wrote at the time under a pseudonym and went on to seven the national Security Council. He said in the opening of this article twenty sixteen is a flight ninety three election charged the cockpit or you die you may die. Anyway, you will the leader of your party may make it into the cockpit and not know how to fly or land the plane. There are no guarantees except one. If you don't try death is certain to compound, the metaphor, a Hillary Clinton presidency is Russian roulette with a semi auto with Trump at least you can spend the cylinder and take your chances. Ryan, you guys you guys are really putting putting the cat amongst the pigeons with this sort of thing. So you say just. Talk us through. I mean is a is a fantastic institution of fantastic think tank and comes up with. I mean, I've got to tell you some of their fellows and board members and so on and so forth. I mean, one of my favorites being professor John Marini, who I believe has a book coming out shortly about the administrative state, which I'm sort of obsessed by but but, but when you do these things I mean, do you sort of bulk do you think, oh, we're going to be attacked by the weekly standard national review? He's a conservative ink is going round on us. Yeah. That's always a concern. Of course. But I think there's a lot of us have realized. You know, Trump is a a symptom not a cause of the scrambling of our modern tusk, Cold War politics. I think this was a, you know, the fusion isn't that emerged that sustained clear conservatives in through this mid century and beyond ahead kind of stopped making some in the post Cold War world. So this this this intermediation to use a fancy word that Matt on any of these before. And we're just trying to think our way through it at times. You know, the body politic needs a little bit of shocking Plymouth's rather than just another scholarly books. So when the time calls for it. We thought it was prudent to pursue a little more of a. Heartache we're all ICU called the spicy. Absolutely. I honestly Ryan I really appreciate it. And I really appreciate the American mind. All it's a relatively new publication that you guys have started out of the Claremont institute's. And it's just some fantastic articles. I just wanted to have you on plug that. And thank you for all your efforts. I appreciate it for. And I encourage everyone to check out, of course, are classic books as well. Which is absolutely a must read Ryan Williams. Thank you so much for joining us here on the Buck Sexton show, the website is American mind dot org. Make sure you check out the Claremont institute, I'm marine Qassam. We'll be right back..