And she really wanted to talk to him and he said, okay, okay, and off we went to this redwood grove and sat down. And she said, well, Alan, I have to tell you, I think I'm going to commit suicide. And he said, well, really, that's interesting. I mean, and they got into this discussion. And he actually spent almost two hours with her. And basically his approach was, well, that's outrageous. I mean, we can do it. There's so many outrageous things we can do. But if you're willing to do something that outrageous, I mean, why aren't you willing to do all these other outrageous things to turn your life around to get what you want? And she completely got it. She said, yeah, I'm not playing the terrible role. I need to change my act. That's amazing. I did see her in another seminar, maybe two years later. So I know she didn't. That's so cool. I mean, what an incredible technique. It's almost like this vipassana approach to tragedy where it's like, so it brings you something heavy and sort of tragic or existential. And it's like, well, let's just ask questions about that until it becomes the truth is revealed and it becomes kind of funny and it takes the teeth out of the severity of how it seems. So I'm curious as a fellow, often accidental social contact breaker. Whenever, for example, when the lady came up to him and said, hey, you know, what happened to me after that? And he left. Did he take a moment to then say, oh, sorry about that. And then explain. Okay. Apologize. And I'm not laughing at you. If you could only see yourself. Dear. I mean, it was so sweet. But I wondered if you plowed through or if there was a moment of, okay, sorry, let's reset. You know, it was obvious for my father delivery that he'd never was laughing at anyone. Or he never spoke down to anyone. You could just get the feeling from him that he was always playing with it. You know, he was like, it's like a kid in a candy store. All of these great ideas, all of these great things. So that really came through in his delivery. A psychologist once told me about a thing we didn't ever recording of it, but it was in Gainesville, Florida. It was a presentation of papers. It sounded like it was pretty boring, symposium. And so that's probably why he didn't record it. But he was W so he was the last person to present. And person after person before him got up into the lectern and given their presentations about some aspect of humanistic psychology, I don't recall what it was. And instead of taking what it was finally his turn, instead of taking the stage and getting behind the podium, he went down and he set at the edge of the stage on the edge of the stage and looked out at the audience. And he just began to chuckle. And we kind of looked at him. And then he began a giggle. And after that, there was a little Terry the audience. And then he just started laughing and people just went with it. They cracked up. And the guy who was telling me the story said, I would have liked to have told you that at that point he got up and he left, you know, like the zen master hitting his fan and leaving, but no, he did, and he got up and gave the best talk on the human condition that I've ever heard..