Jonathan Razan, Britain, Chris Cagle Billy Percy discussed on On Being with Krista Tippett


What makes me despair is shrillness am and that comes from all sides of political spectrum so those who are so sure of what the problem is and it's often laced with projection the lace with not seeing complicity in certain forms of the problem <hes> whether that's attacking the current American administration or the mentoring Britain's decision to leave the E._U.. or whether it's something more proximate like complaining against all the bankers being terrible all the political party that you dislike being terrible. I find that very unhelpful. I think there is a there is a time in a place for winning your battle but but really really hope comes from a deep recognition that were in it together. You don't surrender disagreements. You don't lose your values. You don't forget who you are but you assume good faith and you try and build the world together best you can if you reach a point where it becomes clear that the people you're hoping to cooperate with or not in good faith then you can vigorously try and take a different strategy but I think the spirit rises when we prematurely help ourselves and understanding ending that is inadequate <hes> and so when when that combination of partial understanding with sort of moral certitude kicks in I feel a certain sense at the spare whereas when I feel hope is where there is a kind of discernment and a conviction conviction about what's going on but there's also an openness and kind of general spirit that defines it anything else. You'd like to say anything. The only thing that that comes to mind is that I was asked by the society foundations which sort of massive global organization to try and help them make sense of the global crisis in human rights as they saw it and in the process of doing that again realized that <hes> a lot of it comes down to our working fury of what it is to be human but I think the real challenges linking that question as a sort of living breathing unresolvable bowl perennial issue to a particular political predicament now I wrestle with that whether really this kind of conceptual work that we do <hes> can really make a difference the people who are in need eight an I I've come to the inclusion that casts comes with inclusion that actually finding the right forms of language <hes> has read effects in the world it changes conversations which changes cultures changes practices and I think the those who are charged charged with making sense of the world and feel called upon to do that should not despair that their works irrelevant. I think have come to believe that m making making the world clearer and looking at our foundations nations more fully can actually give give rise to real results for people who are suffering on a day by day basis. Is there any example that comes to mind in terms of language shift of language one that comes to mind is is <hes> climate change itself actually <hes> because I think <hes> changes such a neutral term <hes> that I think in terms of <hes> climate collapse I find it a more useful full think climate emergencies too strong. I think climate breakdown makes it signed to mechanical. I think we're looking at a systemic collapse gradually unfolding in front of us so you need to find a form of language that is heartfelt and true true to the nature of the problem but which isn't shrill and doesn't provoke a needless defensive reaction given that language is perpetuated and multiplied by million million plus times around the globe finding the right form and the right reverberation of language really makes a difference in terms of how people feel it as I said earlier the main challenge on that particular issue is learning to feel it collapsed not change because our lungs collapse financial systems collapse them we collapse and exhaustion at the end of a difficult day. I think people can relate to that so say the climate is collapsing it so much more often than decides changing. Jonathan Razan is a CO founder and director of the research institute PERSPEKTIVA based in London. He's also the former director of the Social Brain Center at the Royal Society of Arts and he has a chess grandmaster and British chess champion his books include the seven deadly chess sins and more recently spiritualize cultivating spiritual sensibility to address twenty-first-century challenges on being product is Chris Cagle Billy Percy Maya Tarot Murray Marie Sam Ballet Aaron Farrell Laurindo Tony Lou Aaron

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