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Tons of leaders they got to be a leader they moved up the organization be through positive reinforcement the question is has the music changed is the dance that they know still appropriate for the new industry so is the dance of the auto industry the same dance that's necessarily the way decisions are made the speed in which decisions are made the inputs the forecasting is it the same as when you move to mobility it maybe maybe not but you need to be thinking about that are you doing the right dance with right Muser that's the voice of Greg Jarrett he shares that soon four million jobs are going to be eliminated through autonomous vehicles from the US economy but on the flip side seven point eight trillion dollars value will be created so how does that impact back not just our region but our country in short whether it's this or a litany of other stuff that's happening there is a train of change coming to the southeast Michigan Welcome to your daily Detroit for Monday November Fourth Twenty Nineteen I'm Jerry Stays Greg Jarrett has made a career helping people and companies deal with disruption it'd it'd be better leaders he's the founder of CG's advisors a local firm it looks at how emerging connected technologies are disrupting industries in society and then helps people deal with it he's an author and the host of you me and your top three a podcast focused on exploring leadership in the connected world it's an interesting conversation so let's just get right into it Greg Garrett Welcome to daily Detroit thank you so much revenue Detroit Metro Detroit Michigan there's a lot of just this disruption happening in general whether you talk about the auto industry you talk about changes in downtown Detroit people moving in and I thought it would be interesting interesting to talk to you because you are somebody who has written a book has a podcast about leadership how to deal with disruption how to deal with the inevitable things that are changed so what are some of the things that you're you're seeing out there in general perspective yeah well the general side of me we see things in layers right we look for patterns and then I spent a lot of time talking to leaders about these these patterns but basically that that there's thing that he's a big academic term technological discontinuity with a new if you break it down though and just take discontinuance right it's means changing something that was continuous the world's been pretty continuous for for a while now right there's been too there's been small bumps in the road but for the most part life is kind of functioned and a bunch of technologies and for the for the Geeks are listening in on things like cloud or a or a different types of analytics went out there all kinds of meshing up along with Iot these sensors in everything that we call these connected world technologies just a lot of technologies all happening at the same time and they're helping make disruption real because they're making what was once continuous discontinuance and so he's technologies add up there affecting many many industries in almost all industries at once here in Detroit we feel that in the auto industry tree we feel that auto trying to switch to mobility but that's what's happening at the largest scale is technologies defecting all industries and now firms and leaders of affirms need to figure out what to do with it and if what's going to happen his industries are going to be disrupted meaning who the top players were with rank order down onto lowest player in several years from now that ranking is going to change top leaders might fall off others will drive up there might be some new entrance but that's what disruption to an industry looks slick and that's the road we're on listening to your podcasts you mean your top three is almost a masterclass and talking to folks who have dealt with change change in different ways one of the interviews that stuck out for me was the the next chapter of Jacques Bonus he is a great entertaining kind of conversation that you had but he's also got a whole new chapter he's working in gems he's a growing diamonds which is very different than what he did it shine Ola but he doesn't seem what worse for wear therefore it seems like in some ways him and many of the other people that you've talked to have kind of seen change and then said you know what instead of fighting it I'm going to you know make the best of it you know so Jackson Great Guy was a fun interview definitely listen in on that because he he does talk about growing diamonds in in metro-detroit growing them literally literally building and so talk about technology that's helping to disrupt an industry that that's certainly at but the pattern that I'm seeing after doing twenty five or so these interviews news formal anti podcast and really living this being with leaders helping leaders think through is one of the things or maybe two observations I'd make is number one the reason that those changes ages don't maybe affect them as much don't seem seemingly affect them is that they're not afraid they're brave and the pattern we're looking for and talking to you me the and the top three of the top three or the people they surround themselves with that help them be brave who are their mentors or their advisors who are the people that are part of their quote club and what you see is is brave people or leaders hang out with other leaders and when you do that they kind of push each other and push them forward so how do you identify people who are leaders versus somebody who's just kind of full of it because you know you look on social media and instagram and everywhere else everybody's a change maker and entrepreneur and influence era some earl right they're all earth I but how do you know that they're actually a leader put really simply people follow him Lea- leaders leaders can motivate folks to follow them or at least motivate people to go in a direction sometimes it's them at the front and everybody was following some time it's them to the side helping a group of individuals and organization move who've somewhere but that's what a leader is at the most part is the understand where the future's going enough they can build a little bit of a plan to get there and they can motivate people to go that path and that's that's leading so so what's at the root of the fear of change from an organizational perspective I mean I mean we all know of looking online and saying oh my websites those website I go to has been redesigned I hate it or whatever right that's a basic fear of change but we're we're talking about fear of change where you can see it coming yet an in their thousands or hundreds or tens of people whose whose jobs are on the line if you don't handle it right like where does that where does that fear come from yeah so if I can if I could use another one of these academic words dogged the listeners I'm not some deep academic McNally's by late this word it's the nurse right it's being unearthed means staying still going slow and and there's there's there's a couple different causes of you're asking about the leadership tight side up break into three parts there's so this is what we've called dominant logic inertia this is making you alert for the most part and or leaders dirt and there's three flavors one I use a boiled frog analogy it's you've heard this proverb Ray where throw a frog in boiling water jump right out if you put a frog pepe bow water and you heat it up it'll stay in there until it boils else to death there are leaders like that they don't they just don't see the world around him changing because they surround themselves with a bunch of other people that are already kind of in the game they're in and nobody's looking outside so they just I don't see the water getting hot that's that's one type of leader the second one we use the analogy of a middle school dance If you if you remember back to middle school when you went to a dance if if you got a kiss or a second date more than likely the dances that you're doing at the at the wedding that you might be invited to in your twenties thirties forties fifties you probably doing the same dance moves that you are doing in middle school why because you've got positive reinforcement they'll tons of leaders they got to be a leader they moved up the organization be through positive reinforcement the question is has the music changed is the dance that they know still appropriate for the new industry so is the dance of the auto industry the same dance that's necessarily the way decisions are made the speed in which decisions are made the the inputs the forecasting is it the same when you move to mobility maybe maybe not but you need to be thinking about that are you doing the right dance with the right music the last one is just what we call willful blindness a a Lotta leaders especially public company leads they're just motivated not to change a Wall Street wants quarter to quarter returns they just do the what they're gonNa do so that's at the end of the day that's a very academic way to put it but sometimes it's fear sometimes it's just oblivious and sometimes it just sticking with the patterns that they've always known because they're comfortable they don't want to break comfort that that reminds me of the story of blockbuster and Netflix eggs because everyone says you look back and go well why didn't blockbuster evolve into what Netflix became yeah all the all the stores all that other stuff but Netflix was online all that other and reaching people digitally but in my mind I look at it as when you see people do something stupid you have have to look at their immediate incentives because it's probably not stupid in their world Dan Yorke leader right they probably wasn't it wasn't stupid was they were they were market leaders they probably didn't see see the train comments same with the the Kodak in the Digital Camera digital lots of different advertisements I teach a course up at Oakland University Mba course and the class last night was talking about net flicks verse NBC for the most part of you know what about these streaming services and and what do I think of WHO's going to win that game and and they're these streaming services are no longer streaming services their studios this is your world this is the media world right and they were talking a little bit about it kind of some of the interactions but when when when netflix started producing shows they went from a channel to content creator and now the way they compete with with the people that were putting shows on their channel it has to be different it's almost a responsibility of an NBC to start blocking a Netflix. Because because what are you GonNa do unit put friends when you most popular pieces on your competitor they they used to be a partner now they're a competitor this is what's happening all industries is Disruptions occurring and different different firms and different leaders are making different decisions and that disruption has effects across the economy and I wonder you know I think about I think about folks like Andrew Yang and their whole you be I think universal basic income and I don't know if his answer of giving everybody a thousand dollars a month is the right one but I feel like it's that starting to make public conversation that change is happening I think that's what's more important about that idea than the idea itself no I think you're I I I haven't studied his solution certainly nowhere near endorsing anybody like that but the point you're making I think is a really important one is that is a conversation that has to happen it it's for for many people it doesn't seem like a very natural conversation because especially in this capital type of country we've lived in we've always said hey you work hard you're GonNa can you know earn your piece but the reality is automation no matter if that's mechanical automation like robots or process automation like RPI robotic process automation nation that can basically change processes digitally it's changing the whole the whole work saw a stat the other day in preparing for a keynote that autonomous vehicles those are predicted to remove four million jobs from the north from the US economy four million jobs for basically having things drive around at at this on the flip side it is the study showed that it was around eight seven point eight trillion dollars of value will be created by creating new jobs in in the end game it looks great in the short term it looks terrible but the transition plan is going to be painful for Saddam and the glorious for others managing the transformation is worthy artistry is biasing the transformation between that's going to be unbelievable so that makes me think do people need to think as leaders of their own households do people need to embrace that kind of change if you think about if you're working for for a company that is in that transportation world and you see that this value is changing is that idea or is it on you to learn new skills to change what you do like Ken those leadership.