Northern Ireland, Ireland, Suzy Miller discussed on Travel with Rick Steves


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A lot has changed since then, but Northern Ireland remains a place where I can still be at the heart of so much of daily life and the Brexit negotiations to remove the United Kingdom from the European Union are adding another layer of complexity there to help better understand Northern Ireland. We're joined by Suzy Miller who identifies with the British and Protestant identity. Northern Ireland Suzy lives in Belfast, and we're also joined by Stephen mcph, Ella me who raised in a Catholic family in Derry in Northern Ireland. Stephen currently makes his home in the Republic in Dingle. But his heritage is in the north. From dairy, Stephen enthusi-. Thanks for joining us. Suzy? There's so much more to Ireland than shamrocks priests, and Guinness, and of course, your family's from the north. And it's a different heritage describe the heritage of Protestant family from alster Protestant families from Elster would tanned to have come from Scottish or north of England stock they might have come pretty recently or they might date right back to the Ulster plantation from the sixteen hundreds. This was a concentrated movement of people into what was seen as a rebellious part of the British empire to try and come things done. And so a lot of their descendants are still a rind of characteristics. Well, I don't know. I think we got a bit of a bad route. We tend to be saying as rather serious not like to spend too much money keeping things to ourselves a little bit uptight. And sure, yeah. Maybe a few those traits could be seen within our psyche. But at the same time. Time where a very self effacing humor driven people. I think we'd like to do ourselves dine we don't like to see anybody get above themselves. We'll as we say the feet from under them, if they get ideas of their station. It's a very very complex identity on of course, it's different for everybody. You know, you count apply. One set of stereotypes across the board. I can only really speak for myself, I suppose, but that is interesting five centuries ago. Basically London was having trouble with Ireland and sent over good loyalist folk who wanted some cheap land and opportunity, and they probably subsidized and give them an incentive to go over there and become settlers in what was Catholic in trouble causing island and now five centuries later. Good people with both heritage are living together. Well, yes, the plantation. It's interesting because it happened at the time that Virginia was being settled. So you have the same solution apply. Two two different problems across the Atlantic and King James at the time. He thought this would be a great way of getting his loyal supporters in an area that was causing him trouble. If you signed up, you got so much acreage of land you had to build so many Heise's on it brings so many other families with you on promised to maintain and make this land are -able, which is what happens on lead to a lot of wealth in that area. Made a very attractive place to go as we go down through the centuries than you see this little corner of our Lund's becoming industrial before the rest of the island of Ireland on that was due to the wars more wealth Arinze, the discovery of turning flax into linen on the money that that broaden, and then all these industry started burgeoning Ryan that so by the middle of the eighteenth century, you've got a very very different landscape in the northeast corner of the island in the middle of the seventeen hundreds then well, really industrialize ation only came in about the eighteen twenty s. Basically in that period one hundred and fifty years ago two hundred years ago, we've got industrialization hitting like mad and Belfast becomes quite a powerful city linen and shipbuilding linen. And shipbuilding side by side on a lot of trades feeding into those finders and factories. So a huge population explosion in Belfast time. Stephen mcphillips know, your family is Catholic family in the north. What are the different Northern Irish identities today is that big of a deal people got and beyond that or is it woven into the DNA of everybody. You're always going to be from a Catholic plan and Suzy's always going to be from a Protestant clan. Even if you don't even go to church. Yeah. My people were the troublemakers. You see? So we were the the problem that got dealt with. And it's just such a sensitive issue. Even like Susan myself. Our good friends, we'll always have to just be careful around each other. What we say, and we probably would say different things than privately to our own tribes. But as I travel the world more just fascinates me that back in this little corner of. Airland? There's two tribes that most people in the rest of the world would think are practically the same. But we think were comprehensively different. You know, so Mike clan. We're open the north when when maybe Suzanne sisters came over. So it's very similar to what happened in Jamestown Virginia. But also similar in the way that reservations were set up. So all the good land was taken off the Catholic chieftains and given to the Protestant settlers when they came over vegetation. She mean American Indian reservation yet so map was drawn of Ulster. You can see this map. And it says good land here Goodland here. Scott settlers hearing the settlers here. And then the big bog land. That says a reserved for the natives, you know. Whoa. Sooner. This is so interesting everywhere in your travels, you realize oh, why is the ghetto in Rome right in this little bend in the river. 'cause that's where it used to flood. It was the worst land. It was lend nobody wanted. You've got situations in any city down wind from the tannery would be the poor people and they'd have to deal with the smell. Yeah. And that's not to say that every Protestants northern animals rich because of course, they warned. But just traditionally the land of the Catholics were generally Perot, a not not very productive. It wasn't very good land. So today, my family, we would all dentis Irish are our loyalty would be to Dublin if someone said if you come into my neighborhood and say to a kid, what's the capital of your country. They would automate say Dublin, but you go across the river to a Protestant neighborhood. And you say what's the capital of your country? They would most likely say London, you know. Okay. But flying from the city hall would be the Union Jack and a flag of Israel. And then you go into the union house or something like that. And there'd be an Irish flag and flag of the Palestinians, Susie. Have you noticed that in Northern Ireland? Oh flags northern island such flex a confederate flag inefficient chip shop an American confederate flag. Like, you know. Yes. Yes. Nine efficient ship shop in Northern Ireland with the flags. Okay. So the first. Is that we're trying to get away from a lot in the new shared future that Northern Ireland has embraced over the past twenty years flags have become a contentious issue. So a lot of public buildings for example. Belfast city hall does not fly a flag, unless it's a particular occasion. Like the queen's birthday or something like that gone. Yes. Well, yes. Although it wasn't Greece's with the best of what's the word. I'm looking for wasn't embraced by the rank and file it. Well from a particular section of hardline Protestant unionists when those flags were taken on. Yes. It was it was not a good move. However as time has gone on people have got used to that. But yes, there is this affiliation. Amongst the two tribes. One will fly the flag of Israel and the other will fly the flag of be. I'll be what I mean is it because of settlers it's. It's it's exactly what it is on. I guess the same with the confederate flag among some. It's not really good or bad people you've inherited a complicated situation. And right now, you've got what we're the angry indigenous people that you put on reservations for one hundred years ago today, you're trying to live together. Yes. You know, you can understand high. Some of those garages are maintained from four hundred years back. You know, it wasn't the best idea to have this imperial country marching in and taking over, but you know, Britain, did it everywhere. It's not just an Ireland our guest right now on travel with Rick steves or Stephen mcfeely and Suzy Miller Suzy provides themed tours of her home city of Belfast around the shipbuilding of the Titanic, even ones guesthouse and Dingle in the southwest of the Republic of they're sharing their views on what it means to be from Northern Ireland from both Catholic and Protestant background, you'll find links to our guests with

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