Listen: Patsy Ramsey, John, Steve Thomas discussed on True Crime Garage
"Everyone as we continue on to the next portion of Var ransom letter estates. At this time we have your daughter in our possession. She is safe and unharmed. And if you want her to see Nineteen nineteen ninety seven you must follow our instructions to the letter so the writer tells us we have your daughter in our possession. Most people would agree three the shortest way to say something is the best way to state it especially in a ransom letter. A true kidnapper would have said we we have your daughter. The words in our possession are simply understood and unnecessary and really just in those couple of lines. There seems was to be several extra and unnecessary words. Next you will withdraw one hundred eighteen thousand dollars from your count. One one hundred thousand dollars will be in one hundred dollar bills and the remaining eighteen thousand and twenty dollar bills. Make sure that you bring an adequate size attache Shea to the bank the amount of one hundred eighteen thousand dollars this all things considered is a relatively small amount of money based off of the ramseys wealth or perceived wealth and John. Ramsey's company is doing very well. They just did. A billion an annual sales was made public. We discussed the news articles that came out regarding this. John's net worth in nineteen ninety six was in the millions. And wouldn't you agree. A nice round number would be more typical than one hundred eighteen thousand dollars so there should should be a reason why the writer chose one hundred eighteen thousand dollars and even John Ramsey agrees that that number one eighteen gene is could be significant to the killer. Yeah couple things here one if we believe the writer on what they're stating I'm calling you. We have two people that have your daughter so we at least have three individuals so now you have to split that three ways so I we think it was one person now but what I'm saying if we believe all the letter. Yeah where assistant shoe men watching over your daughter. Yeah Yeah Three. Were a minimum three. That makes them out even lower. Everybody's going to get roughly about forty grand What's that GonNa do for you right it? It's not worth the risk of of the amount of prison time that you're signing yourself up four if you get caught right so not a large amount but that again goes back to the idea that were probably dealing with one individual and not to you or again somebody that is falsifying a ransom note to cover up a murder and one thing that's been pointed out many many times over the years years in fact it was pointed out very early on in the investigation and the public's Investigation into the RAMSEYS. Let's say was it the amount it may have been significant because John Ramsey's Christmas bonus our annual bonus for nineteen ninety-six was right around the same dollar amount. There was actually two things one his same dollar amount roughly for the bonus and I wonder if this is also kind of a tip of the hat to asking for this amount because I know you got as a bonus so therefore it will be easy for you to give to me. I know it's available possibly also think it leads people to believe that whoever wrote this. No if it's not covering up inside job that it's it's basically stating I know your bonus you know me brought up by also also think that is kind of smart. I'M GONNA make it seem like were this big organization while actually a small foreign faction but were a group of people group of individuals. And if you just do what we say and give us this amount that we know is pretty small to you. This will be done and over with and I almost think that they picked this amount because they knew it would be available and that possibly because of John's wealth that they'll just go get the money and not contact the authorities right and the interesting thing here too is we. We have Steve Thomas who points out that look. That amount could be important because it could be indicative of his annual. Oh bonus that he received that year like you pointed out if somebody else knows that if somebody that wants to stand to gain some money from this whole situation they know that that money could be readily available rather quickly that this is. This is money that this dude dude can actually get his hands on. We all see people drive. Fancy Cars live in big fancy mansions. That doesn't necessarily mean that they can get a hold of any cash. Asia might be up to Denton up up to date to their eyeballs and have no real cash no real liquid money or whatever to pay. Hey such a ransom stinky hard cash and then you have to think about the banking system hundred and eighteen thousand. For some of. That's a multimillionaire. They can go in there and get that money and one transaction right. If you make the amount to high half a million or Mil- million that's going to take some time mm-hmm again the more time that this person has to process this the more likely they are going to go well We have to to contact authorities And so again it becomes this thing where it's like. Is this a smart amount. Because they're just going to try to get I look. I don't think the money is the main purpose for any of this right. But but saying fluid in the situation right we discuss it but this is some evidence that points to that. Possibly Patsy Ramsey writes the note or John Ramsey your together they constructed this letter better. Yeah Yeah and I think if they wrote this note together that would make some sense also would make some sense on why we have some scratch out mark's right. Oh No don't do that. I mean let's just get into the handwriting analysis. John they kind of ruled out as being the author of that doesn't mean he didn't help her right it But it seems like his handwriting samples. Don't match at all on a scale to one to ten. He's zero doc. But as far as Patsy Ramsey goes she's on the lowest scale of matching handwriting samples. She's on a very low spectrum of that on like a one to ten. She's at like maybe at two but cannot be cleared cannot be clear cannot be ruled out. And what's weird about her to is. It seems like there's speculation that she actually can write with both hands ambidextrous. Yes so it's like That's that's a that's a word I want to put into a ransom note. I can drink beer with both hands right very talented individual. So here's what's weird about the amount to me EH is. This is just like everything else. And I don't know if we mention this last week captain but I know we've talked about this and our personal conversations stations are personal talks about the Jon Benet Ramsey case. Is that even the sources you go to to try to find the truth to try to sift through all the bow Boesch Bullshit Bullshit and just get to the truth started bullshit and the real hard core evidence the problem with that all even the sources even the good ones sounds even people that you and I agree that we respect they all seem to have an ax to grind the the in it. So you don't know if you're getting the one hundred percent honest to gods truth so the public perception for a long time. was that well. It had to be John Ramseyer Patsy Ramsey that wrote the letter it wrote the ransom letter because they would be the only ones that would come up with this random amount of one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars. They would be aware of that because that amount amount was on their brains because of the bonus that he had recently received. Then you have the others the Ramsey supporters that will say you know you would have anybody. There could be several people at his company. That would be aware of that amount. There could be people at his bank. That would be aware of that amount now and the Ramseys were not particularly neat freaks and they've had a lot of guests they always are having guests over to their home there. There are people that could have worked at their home or could have been there as a guest and could have seen this information lying about somewhere in the Ramsey home and came up with that amount so wiles a strong argument for either in my opinion. Yeah and I also question. How braggadocious Patsy Ramsey was and. Is it possible that she was telling people at the Christmas party. All will drink up. You know because John got a big bonus or whatever. I think. That's a possibility as well and and there was a lot of people in that house like you said in all it would take would be somebody tons somebody that told somebody that told somebody but this also also amount goes to and. I don't WanNA overlook this too much Mr Mac I believe his name is there was a guy that was fired. Geoff Merrick yeah a guy that eventually you know John Ramsey said. Hey this is somebody that we should look into. He's making threats and basically his pay was the argument that they had was. You know around this dollar amount So he was looked into because of these threats and because the John could also prove that this dollar amount was pretty much. What they're arguing over so he was looked into his wife was looked into now on the high end of the spectrum? I think we talked about him before. A MERRIMENT MR MERRIMENT which he was? I think tested say I I think patsy Ramsey wrote the note four times of who she was tested four times again the more and more samples that she gives you now. You're not comparing note note. You compare note to four notes. And that's what led us to the bottom of the barrel that she possibly wrote it. This Sky Merriman. He was he actually wrote the note. I believe seven times and they actually put him on the higher spectrum. You know I I on a scale one to ten. He's maybe eight or nine he hit more markers. Yeah if they're looking for nineteen different markers to indicate kate. This is the author of the letter. He's hitting more of those markers than Patsy Ramsey. Yeah by ten times and eventually when they came back and wanted him the right another sample he said look. I have rode enough to fill the library of Congress. If you want me to write anything more come back with handcuffs This no doesn't make a lot of sense at all and this amount doesn't make sense but I know that John Douglas and I believe another F. B. I.. Agent profile owners have looked at this amount and looked at this no and thought this kind of points to a male in their late teens may be early twenties. He's because again because amount would be significant to them. Yeah and younger person but I also think That makes a lot of sense and these guys are experts. I mean maybe not as much as I am but they are experts but I also then question. Is there somebody else that this this is a lot of This is a bigger amount to where hundred in eighteen thousand might not seem like enough of a reason to kidnap kidnap. Somebody but again. I don't think that's the reason I think this is just kind of icing on the cake and again why not pick a smaller amount to get get it done and over with well even one hundred eighteen thousand dollars. That's a whole lot of rolling papers. Yeah so here's the thing I do want to point out Steve Thomas Promise. His book is fantastic. Regardless of you agree with his opinions and theories on the case I highly recommend everybody picked that book up and check it out. There's a lot of information in there. Does he have an axe to grind everybody that we will name. I can't speak for the captain but my belief is everyone the one that we name in this seems to have an ax to grind. But I think is ego. He states well. But I believe with Steve Thomas he he he firmly believes he's right. He has some things that to him. Point out to him that he is right and he's just he's trying to push us out to the public and say look. This is what I believe happened and why so. I'm fine. With with hearing his opinion one thing he states about this one hundred eighteen thousand dollar dollar amount. This is one thing that is. I've not seen it reported anywhere else so I want to make sure I bring it up here before we move on. He states the there was some notes that he found in John. Ramsey's personal. I don't know if it was a journal or personal notes that John Ramsey made aide about his personal finances and the number one hundred. Eighteen thousand was significant as it was referenced within those notes now I don't know if that was liabilities or liquid or what but it was it was significant according to Steve Thomas in those notes and so he's pointing running out. Forget about the bonus because a lot of people could have known about that. This could be a number that SIG significant to John Because of his personal financial santeuil notes that we found in his office. That's interesting but then we also have a few other interesting takes on this one thing. That's been pointed out many many."