Tiger Stadium, Dusty Rhodes, Art Fenway Park Wrigley Field discussed on Good Seats Still Available

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You wanna point out a couple of the of the quirks that kind of stand out, we kinda mentioned the left field in the right field being so short. But also as the as the stadium was further being built out in, in the years following there were two decks, right? And some porches that not only was it's short down those left and right hand sides. But left field sides in right field side. You had the porch that actually encroached even further which arguably made it even easier to make a home run. Right. Among eggs, and it wasn't that was on the left field. Five the second deck right on, right? Field was pretty much rush found, but there was an overhang of the twenty one. Twenty one feet. That's an incredible overhang of the second deck in left field. People who are little, little younger, but still old enough to remember tiger stadium from twenty years ago tiger stadium had that in right field with the second deck that overhung I. But it wasn't as dramatic. It wasn't as far out. And I'm not sure if it really if there could have ever been a fly ball of the angle at tiger stadium. Where scrapes the second deck when would otherwise not have gone into the first deck, but that was definitely the case at the polo grounds when at hung out there twenty one feet. And when you take a foul line and put it down there at an angle John pass tears pointed out that the effect of distance of was almost like twenty seven feet. Because with these very short distances down the foul line defenses. Then went out at a one hundred thirty five. Degree angle. It's quite what is it up to says, they'd say look most stadiums. Today, are when I go to target field and the great stadium and watch the twins. Now, you know, the fall lines go out there about three hundred thirty three hundred forty whatever it is. But then the fences are perpendicular to the foul line. They go out of ninety degree angle here. It was going out at one hundred thirty five degree angle, which meant if you pulled that ball, you can get an easy home run. But if you didn't pull it if you pull the piece more to left center, or right center, it probably wasn't going to be going over the fence because those distances from being very short at the follow lines got enormous as the fence went out to the power alleys. It's just it's just amazing. I mean you're talking about left field was to seventy nine ish. And I think right field was to fifty eight ish, and then what did centers four hundred eighty three feet. Right. Which is that little? Knock, and in between that or a besides each side of that is four hundred fifty and it's almost twice as long. Yeah. And you know, this is game one of the nineteen fifty four World Series a pit of is that more than anything on, on how the park could help or hurt because that's the one that Vic works at this permits drive to centerfield Willie Mays made us. Great catch on. And you know, people sometimes say that was four hundred sixty feet. I it's more about four hundred feet, but he was able to have room to catch that ball over his shoulder. Then make a great catch in so that rob Vic word and kept the Indian from taking the lead on the eighth inning. And then later, dusty Rhodes steps up, and he it's a pop two hundred sixty feet. I mean sometime when you go to the ballpark whatever ballpark you're in just kinda looked on the line a little bit. And imagine where two hundred. Sixty feet is, you know you can kind of figure it out. You know that first base is ninety feet down the line. And if it's the right field fence is three hundred thirty feet away and kinda figure in there were two two hundred sixty feet would be, and it'll blow your mind looking at that same. Really, they had offense at close. And that's what dusty Rhodes stood he'd hit the home run to win the game. That was just a pop up that went over that. So that, that shows all the park could could give and take I guess and but the the center field and we're willing needs caught the courts drive. It wasn't where that notch was was going out. He was still a little bit short of the warning track and to his left as he was running out there. That's the notch when there were various distances to the to the fence listed with the when the New York Mets, where they're I think they'll do is listed four seventy five but for most of the forty three you had stairways up to the clubhouse that we're in. Play. You had the Eddie grant monument that was out there that was in play and on balls. Good ball surrounded. But you just figure if a ball ever bounced into that notch. It was probably going to be an inside the park home around, even if even if the center fielder outta go, navigating a monument or a stairway to get to the ball. It's just if a ball got out. I don't know the funny thing really ever shit there on the fly. There were few batters who are able to hit home runs into the bleachers out there. Hank Aaron show, Adcock, Leuke Stor and Lou Brock who should hit him, straight away Senator, the point that they were even able to, to get into the bleachers, but where that notch was why, why was there? I you know, who's to say when they when they remodeled that stadium in nineteen twenty two twenty three and so they put the office building out there. But why why? Did they not just keep that fence just one more quirk that adds to the fascination of the stadium and the my census? The bullpens were also in play in deep left in deep right fields as well. That had to be interesting on a couple of game. Yeah. And of course, we've got to know bullpens as the still aren't some ballparks and that are that are in play, but in fall territory. And with the polo grounds the bullpens were in fair territory. I'm not sure if there's really any other stadium with that was the case. But on the other hand, they were so far out there, probably, you know, you can get into the corner for thirty four hundred forty feet out there, that it didn't really matter. If pitchers warming up if they saw ball coming out their way, I suppose they can just get out of the way. But that, that's the they were in the field of play in fair territory that distance. They might actually be a few more seconds, actually, to get out of the way because it's so deep. Yeah. Yeah. You could see coming. So I got one other quick that, that stands out in my mind. I'm sure there, there are others, especially not having been there or experienced it as this before my time. But I do I have this right that the outfield actually sloped downward from the infield, and that it was hard for people say, the dugouts to, to even see perhaps, some of the more distant fielders as they got sort of closer to the fences. Yeah, I don't know that, that one of a kind of the polo grounds, although it might have been more pronounced and that appear sitting in the dugout and you wouldn't even see the outfielder feet, but a lot of fields were were crowned in a certain way to, to help with drainage, and some of it there, the polo grounds might have been a little more than you would see in most ballpark. So there was some unevenness or crowning to the field, maybe in the center, so that I, I don't know if it really ever affected any outfield. Fielders or anything catching a ball. It was probably more of an issue at Crossley field in Cincinnati where they had that, that incline. And you know, there's some of the old ballparks in fact, Houston with a new ballpark that opened in two thousand one Enron field. Minute maid park. They had that on center-field this to put that in there, where it was sloped up word on, I guess, for safety reasons about two three years ago. They finally eliminated that so that probably some of those things in some of the other ballparks probably affected. The outfield is a little bit more. What were you able to tell from the writings that you corralled in this book in your own sort of investigation, and learnings and passion, shall we say about the fan experience seats sight lines conveniences and, and we can will get into maybe the later years of the stadium which would be add to it's not? Tremendous, you know, environment but, but in its day was this a fan friendly kind of environment slash experience. You know. That's right. Depends on who you talk to. I mean for me it would be if I could if I could go there and see it, I would just be fascinated with. But I you know, in my imagination of going back in time machine, I always imagined myself having a pretty nice seat. Maybe right up during the second behind home plate, something like that. But there probably were a lot of bad seats in there and the shape of that kind of a ballpark to means unless you are sitting right behind home plate. You're gonna have your view of one of the outfield corners cut off. That's and that's not unique to the pullover on a lot of the stadiums like that. If if you get off on the right field side. Now, all of a sudden you can't really see the right field corner are vice versa. So, but the first book I did on the polo grounds. I. I took quotes from two different people on it, who had been there, and we're writers and had different perspectives. Roger Creamer, great biographer, you know, wrote, Babe Ruth biography, and, and he said it was a terrible place to watch a ball game. It was like watching it through a picket fence. And, and then, of course there are post in there. There are we're in a lot of the stadiums and some stadium still art Fenway park Wrigley field. If you're sitting under under the deck or under the roof, you might be behind post Fred Stein wrote a book called under Coogan, bluff, and grew up in New York, and he loved the place and he said it was a great place to watch a ballgame that the so, you know, you guess you talked to people friend of mine here in faint, Paul grew up in New York. Lot of eve at the polo grounds and he liked it. And, you know, I'm not sure. If people even appreciated the history, I or the uniqueness of it at that time we're still GIC now. And, you know, I think for many of us just spoilt wish I could have been there and people at that time, just probably as a place to watch a ballgame and what mattered most to them was what kind of you, they could get how far away they were. They had a post blocking them without necessarily appreciating. How historic it was unique and one of the things this on tala cheese, that I wrote to about two hundred forty players who had played there and I got about seventy responses, which I was I, I was pretty happy to get that many responses, and from the players to and they might have been looking at a little bit different a pitcher gets victimized by short home run. Probably hates the place. But some like L Worthington pitched here with the Minnesota Twins. He pitched for the Minneapolis millers baseball team that played in Nicot park, which was. Nice ballpark before my time he, he's through the final pitch on that. And I've corresponded with him and talk to him. And he had an appreciation for being a nickel park in Minneapolis six-year-old ballpark in his final game..

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