White House, President Trump, FLU discussed on Nightside with Dan Rea


Until you easy. Boston, All right. Welcome back. That was an interesting hour last hour. A lot of people really know a lot about cars. What? We're going to get back to an area that I'm a little more comfortable with. And we want to welcome back to the program. Dr. Roger Klein. He has been a guest on this program before. Dr Kline. Welcome back tonight. Side. How are you? Good high and I damn Thanks for having me you're more than welcome A Dr Roger Klein. He is a faculty fellow with the center for law, Science and Innovation. At the Sandra Day O'Connor College of Law at Arizona State University. He was the medical director. At the month molecular oncology division at the Cleveland Clinic. He happens to be a physician and a lawyer, his medical degrees from case Western University, But he completed his medical degree, his fellowship in residency at the Yale University School of Medicine. He also has a law degree, a juris doctor from the Yale Law School, and he is very much involved. He's an expert with the Federalist Society regulatory transparency projects. FDA and health working group. So he is someone who knows a lot about medicine and the lawn and we're always very happy to have him and some of the The issues will talk about tonight might surprise you. Some might not. But Dr Klein let let's start off with the whole drama that we have just seen played out. At the White House over the last A well, maybe eight days. I mean, it's it's It's incredible to think that was a week ago. I think Friday morning at quarter of one when we found out that the president had tested positive for Corona virus, and now a lot of people are looking at The event where Amy Cody Barrett was announced as the president's nominee for the open seat in the U. S. Supreme Court and many people at that event and others. Um, how did this get? And again. I know you probably don't have a definitive answer, but I love you. Thoughts on how did this get out of control? Inside the White House where all of us thought everybody has their temperature checked everything. Hey, you know, such precautions must be in place. Area so they didn't have a lot of they had intensive protocols. I'm not privy to the details, and I don't think they really really released them. But you know anybody who came near the president was tested and I am until it was a very Very heavily. The processes were very heavily reliant. I'm testing, I think I think what what people have to understand is this is a very contagious virus until it got into a two on environment and it spread very rapidly. From person to person. If there's a prolonged close contact, and I don't think it should be Viewed in the sense that that anybody did anything wrong or there was any anything deficient. I think rather, it should be looked at in the context of People engaging in activities and taking Much. All the precautions that you really can can take to better that would be known to prevent spread of the virus in it simply, it's simply moved along. I mean, you know other people have been infected who are high profile recently who weren't in the these events. We've had a number of people all along, get infected who are very, very well known. And and you know, The truth is who died so far? Nobody and and truthfully, I don't know that anybody has Associate with the White House has even been seriously ill. You know which which, for which we're all grateful, But what has turned again? It was that I thought that I had heard And I believe that I had read that before anyone would have any access to the president that the temperature would be taken. I know that the The media who are in the West Wing in the press room, which is a very small room. I've been in that room in the White House. It's you can hardly turn around. These people who were who were signed. There are in cubicle situations. But all of a sudden, I mean, someone must have brought it in there, and it must have just spread like wildfire. We don't need to mention all of the names. But is there a lesson for us there for me and for you? Maybe not for you because you know more about this stuff than I do. But for the people who are listening is is there an inherent lesson there that But we we need to be more careful or or is it something that is just an evident is the other lesson? Perhaps that it's inevitable. It's going to affect virtually all of us anyway by time. We go through this process. So to your first point about temperature checks, you know, it's really you think that really unreliable. Many people who give who get infected don't have a fever, and you can certainly be contagious even if you're going to develop symptoms before. Before you would you would develop them and in fact that that you're right before the development of onset of symptoms is beginning the period of hype. Infectivity, so I don't know. I don't think temperature check. They're all of failsafe were regular testing can be very helpful. I think the latter point that you made is really the most important. People don't necessarily want to hear it. CDC announced on March 9th that most people were probably going to most people were likely to get infected with the virus and Most people wouldn't become seriously ill. But over the next 1 to 2 years, people should be prepared. And if you're in a high risk group, you really need Thio hunker down and stay away from other people that that that message wasn't well received, quite frankly and And and sort of glossed over. Ah, and we've gotten into this or so have been lulled into this notion that somehow we have more control over this. We dio you can look at meat packing is a really good example of people worked very closely with one another, and for example, in places like South Dakota in ST Where they where they had almost no spread. Initially, the virus ran rampant in meatpacking plant and almost everybody got infected. You look at places like nursing home where there's a lot of contact, or, you know, you look at prison. And everybody gets infected. So I think, you know, I think that if we want, if a person that high risk in particular but anybody who doesn't want to get infected, really needs to stay away from other people. And I don't think we should look at this as any kind of failing. I think what we should understand how readily this virus spreads. So if we look back, 100 years, you know to the flu of 1918 the Spanish flu as it was called, But my understanding is that it actually began in the United States will save that for a story for another time. We've had high contagious events. I think h one n one was highly comm pages. I think vice president the other night mentioned that there were 60 million Americans that winter who contracted H one n one. But I if I recall correctly, they were 12,000 fatalities, which is a minuscule percentage because, although is highly contagious. It was not nearly as deadly Aziz this his flu is, um we seemed to learn Mohr every couple of weeks. What advice would you give to people who are listening tonight who haven't had the flu? Is there anything that we can do now that we're not doing that, you think would be helpful based upon this little experiment that we've seen at the White House for the last week or so. Dad. You know what I what I would say is, I think the biggest problem that we've we've faced here quite frankly, if I think way we've been given to 22 narratives, both of which are in inaccurate or certainly, ah, misrepresented and that and that would be the first would be about the seriousness release ality. Of the virus, the individual and an individual basis, the individual risk. And, quite frankly, for most people, it's it's quite low. The risk of dying from this is probably in the range of one Four out of the 1000 You know that the number commonly quoted for the flu is one out of 1000 W. H o in recently this week. I think I'm October. 5th six came out and said there were 20 times the number of infections in cases which would make that the infection fatality rate, the death rate. Well below 3% and 3% was what Iceland recently estimated to be there with with really a lot of data. I think the first thing is to understand that when this virus first came out, people were talking about 3 to 4% not 40.3.

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