And when I was reading the primary source documents about the way the Pirates There was a deposition from a captured pirate that said that he had been on the ship that had veered off course to go to block Island. So that the pirate captain who was Paul grave, Williams could go and visit his mother and three sisters. So imagine this pirate ship loaded with pirates and stolen booty. Turning off and pulling into the harbor of Block Island in Long Island Sound and getting off to go say hi to Mom and his sister. That doesn't fit the stereotype the image does it. It does not. That kind of leads you to a whole new line of research. It did. I never really thought of pirates as other than what I had read in books and movies as one dimensional characters. But that really opened my eyes to the fact that pirates were not just see monsters that these were men, three dimensional characters who cared about their families. Now. What areas did he raid as a pirate? The Red Sea? Uh, Paul Grave. Williams rated the Caribbean. Okay, Captain Kidd was in the Red Sea and the other two Sam Bellamy were in the West Indies and the Caribbean and Samuel Burgess is a very interesting fellow and Chapter four. He's another one who shed light on the Pirates wives because He was a merchant captain who turned pirate and he worked for a New York merchant named Frederick Phillips running kind of a commuter service between New York and the Madagascar. Wow, which is on the East coast of Africa. And what he did was he brought A cargo full of alien needs that the pirates needed down in Madagascar like combs and thread and needles to mend their sales and shoes and hats and rum and wine and beer. And limes to prevent scurvy and they sold these provisions to the pirates down in Madagascar as a real premium price. But on the way back, he brought back pirates who had had enough of the pirate life and wanted to retire. And so he would bring back a dozen or more of pirates who would pay 100 pieces of eight and provide their own food and drink. And take them back into New York and these pirates was assimilate back into 18th Century society. Wow. But In addition, Samuel Burgess carried the Pirates mailbag and assumed the Pirates mail bag of things like this with Pirates, Retirement accounts mailbags Taxi service. That's incredible, Exactly. And it's in the Pirates mailbag because Samuel Burgess was captured by a British privateer and he has man, his ship and his mailbag or all turned over. To the British authorities in the mail bag was deposited in the Admiralty Records in London. And those records are available and I read them and transcribed 250 of them, and many of them are from the Pirates, wives to their pirates and The pirates to their wives. And what a great identifying record for this as well Right? That's incredible. And so what year was that? That was 16 94 to 16 99. So this is like the golden age. Right, Henry? Every and all those groups that's correct. Wow. It was a very, very organized, sophisticated system and the Pirates mail box. Was on Ascension Island, which was in the Atlantic. It was a tiny little island that Mariners would stop that because it was rich in turtles, and they would collect turtles for food and put them on their decks. But at a little spot in the harbor, there was a rock with a hole in it. And that's where they would leave their letters to go home and no flag and they'll skull and crossbones on the side of it, you know? Nope. Wow. I mean, you're just painting some amazing pictures here, Daphne, and I'm absolutely astounded by it. I'm really looking forward to reading it. And where can people get this book? So this book is on Amazon. And it's also on Barnes and Noble com on their website, Okay, and in the book is the Pirate next door. The Untold story of 18th century pirates, wives, families and communities and Daphne Palmer. Giannakopoulos is our guest today and Daphne. Thank you so much for your time. This is just absolutely amazing, really paints a different picture in my mind about my own ancestor. Well, thank you. Pleasure to speak with you, Scott. Thanks very much. And coming up. Next, we're going to talk to a man named Ray Weiss and Ray has been researching his seafaring ancestors finding out where they went and then traveling to those places and he's just got.