Gene Roddenberry, George, Mark Zicree discussed on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory
Fifty years ago, gene Roddenberry's visionary television series debuted on NBC. It was not an instant success at all. In fact, it was canceled just three years later, but a famously devoted fanbase kept the sci-fi epic alive. And it has since spawned numerous hit television spin offs and over dozen blockbuster films. That have dominated the box office for thirty five years Star Trek lives long and prospers on its fiftieth anniversary up next, Mark Zicree share some stories with us and memories. And here he is on coast to coast, Mark, Zicree. Marc. Welcome back. Great to be here, George. This is an exciting time fifty years of Star Trek v years incredible. And and and it's amazing that so many wonderful Star Trek stories have been created by so many people over all these decades. And I'm sure we're gonna be talking a lot about it. We sure are what's no with you. Give us updates. Oh my gosh. Why land? Studio shooting space command and doing the tons of stuff. We shot the two hour pilot. We have thirty minutes of the second to our story. We're now meeting with networks both here. And in England, we're gonna set it up as a show. It's going to be something that everyone is going to be able to see and enjoy it's terrific. And I'm doing books, of course, as you said the new twilight zone companion, I'm Katina trilogy of novels and just on and on tons of stuff. You're happy with all this life is good for you. Oh my God. Yes. It's so it's so fun. When I realized that my audience could basically green light me, thanks to the new models. I that's why shots base command. The my audience green lit me. They they financed me. And and now we can go to the networks having shot. You know, the two hours and say, this is what we have in mind for the next step is the network says, okay, we green light is a season. And that's very different from the way it used to be. So I'm thrilled. That would be exciting. Well, hey, you know, what nobody deserves it more than you, Mark. Thanks, george. All right. Let's talk a little bit about the fiftieth anniversary of Star Trek. Let's go back a little bit. Because you've done some work on Star Trek to haven't you? Yeah. I wrote for both Star Trek the next generation and the base nine. And then I did I started with George decay that got nominated for Hugo nebula awards and and star Trek's a part of my life. Every time I was a little kid. I debuted back in as you know, nineteen sixty six and before it even aired. They NBC commissioned a a piece of art work by artist named James Bama, and he would run it for ten seconds is just still saying coming in the fall Star Trek, and I would see this planet and this rocket ship lazing around the spatial blazing around this planet and two guys. And it went by so quickly. This is before a video recorders and watched the thing I'd sit right up against the screen waiting for this commercial. And it's like that guy that guy in the in the background have pointed ears. And I couldn't wait to see the show. And then the first episode aired, and it was called the Mantrap written by my dear friend, George Clayton Johnson and he'd been a twilight zone writer. He wrote kick the can and nothing in the dark, a wonderful writer, and it was an amazing episode. And from then on I was hooked. It was just that was that was really for me. Did you ever think that you'd be doing some work on it? We know it's funny. When when I was a kid a book came out called the making of Star Trek, and this is when the show was on the air. It was written by Stephen Whitfield, and gene Roddenberry. And and it was the first book I've read about how TV show was made. And that really planted the seed where I started thinking, we know I'd like to be a writer producer and television. And that kind of set me on that at pass. And and so my dream was to create and run my own space cooling science fiction show. And that was space command. That's exactly what I'm doing. And and so it's just a a dream come true. But it was very much set in motion by what gene Roddenberry created back back then and it only lasted three seasons. Yeah. And it's funny because you know, they were actually gonna cancel it the second season and woman be Joe Trimble started a letter writing campaign picketing campaign. I was part of that as a kid. I remember holding my little picket sign standing outside with a crowd outside NBC and writing my little letter a million letters were sent NBC and that convinced me to renew the show and it got its third season. And and if not for that third season, it never would have gone into syndication. It wouldn't have had enough episodes. And no one would have ever heard of it again. And in fact, when Star Trek initially, aired I was so worried it would never arrogant that I actually recorded on reel to reel audiotape as a kid case. Those episodes never aired. I just love those machines. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Why didn't it succeed in the ratings? Mark. Well, you know, the funny thing is back then the Nielsen ratings just registered folk numbers. How many millions of people watching an episode the year after Star Trek went off the air. They switched over something called demographics where they would check not only how many people watching it. But what group of people? Yeah. And the eighteen to thirty five demographic was the perfect buying demographic. And the year after started going off the air, they ran the demographics and the top rated show the number one show for that eighteen to thirty five demographics. They all wanted with start all my God daily freak out the yes. Because if they if they had demographics the year earlier, they never would've canceled Star Trek gosh. And they would have made money on that show. Right. That's right. Another funny thing about anything about Star Trek was it was incredibly colorful, you know, with those beautiful red and gold and blue uniforms and a very colorful enterprise bridge while the the network that aired Star Trek was NBC and its parent company was RCA television. And so they wanted to sell color TV's, and one of the reasons they green lit Star Trek was because of those bright primary colors because people would buy color TV's just to see Star Trek, and they actually run ran RCA color TV advertisements for Star Trek, so showing them on color TV's, and they ran them in all the national next things. I have I have some of those ads I save since then. We've had on the program here William Shatner, you brought us George Takei. Yes. And I think that was it just those two. Well, they're they're they're great. I mean, they're unforgettable their distinctive actors and wonderful. And again that speaks the diversity of Star Trek because again when Star Trek debuted in nineteen sixty six you didn't have African American actress in the lead like Michelle Nichols or Asian American actors in the lead like George decay these were characters were damaged. They were going on adventures. They were they were treated with respect by captain Kirk Mr. Spock and talking with quite it was like a surrogate family of people all getting along all reaching out across down of race and ethnicity to each other. And when you think about it Star Trek aired during the nineteen sixties. This is the height of the civil rights era. It was the Vietnam war was going on the moon landings were happening. I mean, there's an incredibly politically active time, very fulfilled, the political and social turmoil enough evil and change. It was just the perfect time for that show today view. What a tragedy a few months ago when Anton Yeltsin the Star Trek actor died in that freak accident when his Jeep rolled down and crushed him. I know crazy, and and yet at least he works in a medium where we get to see his worth and enjoy it, and he was a wonderful actor, and again these starts characters, and he starts like actors are so distinctive is so memorable. And and the fact that the Walter candid capacity to Anton Yeltsin, and he could do, you know, the checkup so memorably he'll definitely be remember, I think we had Walter onto. Yes. And he's any another very distinctive guy and a wonderful actor, and and again, each Star Trek character is so distinctive when I wrote when I world enough and time it was creek Parkway. So all of the characters and they all speak differently from each other. They all have different viewpoints. A Spock line will not work for Kirkland, not work from Koi vice versa. They all are very distinct themselves, and that's why they've lasted and the didn't we have James Doohan the ashes sent off into space. It will roddenbury's where to I went to maitre Barrett. Roddenbury's a house when I recorded her for the computer voice in world enough in time and Roddenberry's ashes where they've been sent up in the state shuttle and brought back and so very fitting testament. So again, what was it like being on that Star Trek set when you were a kid? Well, you know, I was given a Christmas present of a trip to Star Trek set when I was a kid gray the greatest president ever. And it was the last episode of the original Star Trek ever shot if I'd gone a week later that show would have been gone, and it was an episode called turnabout intruder in which kirks personality is swapped with a woman a woman scientists, and and it was a William Shatner there that Dan Mitchell who played there's chapel and and and to force Kelly who played Dr McCoy, and it was amazing walking those since they were so phenomenal. And and and it was fascinating. Because one of the stagehands said Lascaux the season and under her breath. Major Garrett said last show ever. And the irony was the decades later, I recorded her as a computer voice for the Star Trek that I did thirty years later. And so so she was not only wrong about last show ever on on Star Trek. She was wrong even herself because she would continue on Star Trek in later incarnations on Star Trek the next generation, and then the features and so forth. So just phenomenal. You and George went to Japan at a convention in you, we did. Yes. Well, when when we did world enough in time, and that's what I did with him. And. So you can actually watch it on my my website, Mark Zicree dot com in its entirety. And after we shot that up. So we went to the world science fiction convention in Japan, we screened to an audience of three thousand people we got a standing ovation with the crowd with with with tears streaming down their faces. And then the next year we were nominated for the top award in science fiction, the Hugo award, which is given out of the world science fiction convention. So it was just an amazing honor. And to be there in Japan with George he's fluent in Japanese. And so we were answering questions I would be fielding questions in English, and he'll be answering Japanese, and I just saw him the other day where there was a big Star Trek convention in Las Vegas to celebrate the fiftieth fiftieth anniversary, I went to it. And and George, and I were able to reconnect, and I very much want him in command. So we've been talking about a role. He'll be playing in space. Command was Shatner there. Yes. It's amazing because he's eighty five years old. And you could never tell. Yes, doesn't look that not at all. And and his energy level. You seems like a much younger, man. He's phenomenal as as George decay. George doesn't seem like a guy pushing eighty either these are amazingly vital and vibrant people in in phenomenal actors and Star Trek just wouldn't have been the same without that group. No, it was a very special group. It was it was lightning in a bottle. You know, it's amazing because you know, twilight zone ended in nineteen sixty four and then to two years later Star Trek debut, and gene Roddenberry was very much a friend and opponent of rod sterling's. In fact, he gave a eulogy at Rod's funeral and and Roddenberry was very aware of if not for twilight zone, you couldn't have had Star Trek, and and he cast it's funny because the first piloted a pilot for Star Trek called the cage was actually shot in nineteen sixty four and star Jeffrey hunter as captain pike. And it didn't sell the show and. And so they ordered a second pilot. And that's when they got Shatner, and and the chemistry between William Shatner, and Leonard nimoy, and I Kelly in the rest of the cast, it just was magical, and you could see it from the beginning from the first episode that aired you just know knew that these people were unforgettable..