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Is the jinx. I'm telling you can ISA's cooler. They weren't wow win that one JAROMIR had like a miracle comeback. Wow you're absolutely right denise. Yeah that's wild. That's a great. That's a great call. Denise is the ultimate cooler and it's crazy because this was by seconds though. This was truly a challenge challenges. Greg Yeah going back to in heroes vs villains remember James was like we got vote out. Stephanie She's a jinx her whole tribe. That's what I need to start looking at the neidl anyway so much to talk about a very excited to be live here with you to talk about it all this wonderful season so far even though he did not like. They're not like that outcome tonight. To Have Ethan go home. We'll talk about why they've confused by virgin talking through with you because I'm a little bit confused by the thinking and it did feel like there must have been a lot more going on that we didn't see because the actual logic of what happened like didn't totally hold up. Yeah okay so we'll talk about all that and just set up what's going on and Stephen believe it or not. Rupert Bone Ham is going to be my guest tomorrow. You know early morning phone call scheduled with Roop. That's exciting. One time tribe made of Ethan did not expect to be talking about that with Rupert when we reached out. But we're going to talk with Rupert Bone in the morning and then our mutual friend Gabby PESCUCCI is going to be on. We'LL GET THE ASK. Gabby if we saw tonight. Michelle talked about trying to find an alliance. It's kind of like dating and we'll see that did gabby think that. Michelle's experience on the love. Note all pro interesting in this position. Yeah finding the right alive right Barbara winners at war. You should ask Rupert if he thinks the challenge is exciting or not. Exciting all right so a lot to do here this week. And of course more one offs and I think we'll have a lot of Wanda offs Again this week year in week three more. What an episode. This was there was so much going on in this series. What a fun episode. Everyone at one of these have been great. Okay let's go. Let's start with Ethan here because this was an episode with a lot of twists and turns in terms. Yeah who is going to go home? We heard the initial plan was poverty for some reason people that we can't vote rob not sure. Why if you'RE GONNA if you're GonNa Vote Against Rob's Group. I think you have to take the lesson from in heroes vs villains of. Just just go after. Rob Just a if rob is on the ropes. Just Vote Rob. Before whatever reason candidate Rob let put out poverty? It started with poverty. That plan sort of spiraled out of Control Atta may have got overly ambitious told too many people to plan the plan. Turn back around. Hey let's vote out atom. There seemed to be more momentum for that but it seemed like that Jeremy and Michelle seemed like they were in the middle of everything and said well. We don't like what Adam did but he still a number for us. We still want to hurt. Rob We can weaken rob maybe now with poverty. They'll never see Ethan coming and then Ethan ends up being the person. Vote Out Stephen Y Ethan. Well that's I guess. One of the only reason that they had to say like not poverty was to say was that a it would be going along with Adams playing which now they didn't want to do because they were anointed atom and be that voting out poverty would be rocking the rocking the boat too much which. I just didn't get it. All why voting out poverty rocking the boat. More than voting. At even is rocking. The boat voting on has got to be more of a trail in a way. Because rob didn't even know of that plan. You know or at least rob was aware of the plan to vote out poverty. Why is it somehow better? And maybe rob was just closer to poverty than he wants to Ethan so they felt it would be more an insult to rob to vote poverty than Ethan. Yes the way they said honestly like maybe there was a real alliance between Adam Ethan. And they felt that voting. Ethan take something away from rob voting with that plan. Shows Adam that he's not in control of things and then you know maybe they're allies to so I actually don't hate it. I sort of agree with you. Like why not just vote rob like maybe they do feel that rob has been anchor and the challenges. Yellen really right like he hasn't been as great challenge except for that I challenge and obviously they did have a good comeback today but didn't actually come back Yeah I just don't see. Why getting rid of Ethan was the move. I think that Ethan. We've we've seen him. You know working with almost everybody out there and maybe it was just that Ethan is such a threat. If we don't get rid of him now when are we going to get rid of him when when is a good time to get rid of Ethan? Maybe they were sort of thinking about this really in terms of the big picture but I mean in terms of like we WanNa Weekend Rob. I just feel like then. Just vote out rob. I thought that the plan poverty was too cute and then I thought that the plan with thin is also too cute because rob is not gonNA react well to being blindsided. So if you're going to blindside him you gotta just take the shot and go and go after rob and maybe not. Everybody was on board. I think it's unclear. Exactly how tight. Jeremy and rob might be. Jeremy May want to have protected rob for whatever reason and Ethan just did not have enough people who are out there trying to protect them. It seemed like that. He seemed to have a good relationship with Dan at times. We saw him talking with band but also we saw him a lot with Robin poverty with Adam so that the people that voted against Ethan. Were the people that with the exception of Ben. That didn't really have as tight of a relationship with Ethan. Well I do think though that in terms of like why Ethan. I mean the thing is Robin. Poverty are always going to be these super threats in the way that Ethan is not so if you want to keeping them in. The game is useful. Especially if you're someone like Jerry who wants meets shields around right you you want those big targets to be there because they distract from you so but at the same time you don't want them to actually have leverage leverage comes from numbers so I do think there's an aspect there where taking ethan and he's someone who's going to be tight with those old schoolers but he's not going to be such a huge threat himself so I actually think that this is not such a horrible move for those reasons all right. That's interesting so you feel like that for Jeremy. You WanNa to talk politics. But there's a lot of talk about like okay in the Democratic primary. Who's in WHO's lane? Do you feel like Jeremy looked at Ethan as somebody. He's playing a similar game to me. He's not out in front. He's always going to be hiding behind the bigger target in Africa with LAX. He's doing it here. Exciting up with Boston rob you. Jeremy felt like that he somebody who's blocking my spot that's interesting. I do think there's an aspect of that to some votes. I don't actually think this I mean to me. It looked like you have these six new school or our five news coolers right and you have these three old schoolers like if you wanted to even make sense like he's not in the new school group but he's not one of the big old school targets like he's sort of a sensible vote just in terms of the process of elimination. I mean I certainly do think that what you're saying in terms of. Hey this guy is sort of like playing my game. I need to remove him. Maybe right that often is i. Think an under reported motivation for why people eliminated other people. A sense of like this person is too close to me and I want to. I want to own this. This sort of like aspect to game the more the more I think about it like you really could be right. Yeah it's also what I don't like about the move to vote out Ethan. From that group of four is that not only did they have to blindside robin poverty who are still. GonNa be around. It seems like they blindsided Adam to who cast the one vote for a party. I believe this was a four. Three one vote where it was like atom guy who is a little unpredictable. And you don't know necessarily what his next move is going to be. Now you've not just blindsided Robin Poverty. We've also blindsided atom who could be unpredictable force and yes you have the numbers but Kinda slim margin well. I am actually not sure that I hate it. I agree with you that getting the numbers are razor. Thin is dangerous but if you know that Adam is in everyone's ear Adam is trying to protect his alliance with even Adam is trying to protect his alliance with rob. Why would you tell them the plan like that? Was the one thing that literally everyone angry. Adam about poverty was angry about it. Michelle was angry about it. Jeremy was angry about it. Like Denise was angry at him about like. Why are you telling a ruined the plan and if there's someone who can't trust with the plan then you don't put you? Don't tell them the plan. Yeah really bad episode for Adam who you know the first half was like. Oh my God. This is such a great episode. Brad take down. The canal disagree with that Great episode for Atom. Because I was convinced up until fifty nine minutes that Adam was about to go out of the Game Adam. Adam is there. Yeah yeah that's absolutely right. That's absolutely right in terms of his position on the start. It looked like he was like masterminding this plan to like. Take out the old schoolers he was in everybody's ear and it really seemed somehow is going to be able to thread that needle but it is really really hard on survivor. To tell everyone everything and the reason people into the reason more people don't talk is because you know information travels and gets back to people and that's why so often. There's that question I was like well. Why didn't those people disconnect exactly this reason and it's it's a real? It's a real big risk to tell the opposition. What the plan is. Adam took that risk and blew up in his face. Yeah for atom that I when he went to Talk to Boston rob I just was like this is not a. I can understand the Ethan that they have a connection from outside the game. He talked about in the pre game interviews but the the decision to talk the Boston Robin. I don't know how close they've gotten. And we really didn't get to see how the Natalie vote came together and the conversations that might have been had seemed like Adam felt like that him and Robert Closer than they actually were. But if you know Boston rob and I feel like that. I have watched this man play on these shows teen years. This was something that came up in conversation leading up to this episode. Where I was asked about it. Do you think that Boston rob would ever be surrender? His numbers where like we saw where Tyson when he was on the ropes in a couple of minutes ago said. Oh what do Kim Amber? I don't care whatever he has wanted to anybody. That's fine. I gotta go. I got to shift into survival mode. Boston rob is never going to do that. He will never go back to heroes villains when he was down in the numbers after or after Tyson. God voted out and coach was thinking about flipping to go with Russell side and it looked like he didn't have the numbers he never once said. Okay how `Bout Sandra Hodge name? He never he never will throw somebody from his side over the boat unless he's the one doing it and it's just his people that he will always keep his group together and try to always take from your side and I am surprised that Adam thought that rob would be okay with a plan like this. Well it was such an amazing scene from Rob's game play perspective where I don't think I've ever seen someone play along with a plan. That perfectly you know. Rob Sold it so incredibly well. I really don't think like I can't think back now to win. I've seen someone like sell their belief their willingness to go along with a plan that convincingly what he was like wow like I mean just like. I don't Know Yeah. They might be protected like frowning face I got.