Germany, John Jay, John Jay College discussed on Cape Up with Jonathan Capehart


The highest crime you can charge for versus our philosophy during the holder administration, which was to look at trying to be more fair and look at things and not and not charging the toughest thing. You can charge looking at people with people looking at their circumstances and thinking about which is what you, what you want in prosecutorial discretion is thinking about looking at the person as a person in the circumstances that led them there and what is the best way to deal with what they've done. Because the the problem we have now is we think prison is the. The only way to hold people accountable when they write the law. That's not the only way to hold people accountable. We were you and I were at a breakfast meeting this morning and they talked about the disparities between the US system and other countries that the default in the US is seventy percent of people who've commit crimes, go to jail in other countries, other Germany. I can't remember the Germany and the Netherlands. One was seven percent one ten percent, right? Quite a disparity in terms of and you look at the safety of their countries. They're safer than we are. So jail is not the answer to creating safe communities. Invite. One of the people I I was talking to before the actual breakfast start talked about how Germany was the gold standard in the way they the way they treat their quote unquote prisoners. They have names they're called by their real names. They don't have uniforms. They have street close. GIO said that they don't have their prisons look more like college campuses than than ours do, and that has and treating. People have broken the law that way, and people who are in who are in prison. Helps them for when they get out and go back into the community and they also don't have sentences as long as we do ten year sentence, there is a long sentence, right? She was also talking about how. You know, sometimes just forty eight hours in prison is is enough to like literally scare someone straight into not corrector recidivism recidivism, right? But a person recidivists right ranch means returned to prison, returned right returned to prison. So in terms of, well, not sure which way we'll go on this, but I'm gonna say something I'm gonna follow you. So what we know in terms of people, people who've been in criminal Justice system from going back is education jobs and connection to family and community are the Krief three key factors proven by research that will prevent people from coming back into our criminal Justice system. So the question is, how are we going to invest in people in those systems? And I also think if you invest in those systems on the front end, right, keep people out of the system anyway. Can you elaborate on each one on each of those things? So I am president of John Jay college, criminal Justice. So education to me, and I'm product of generation that that education was what made the difference in my parents live as as black people growing up in the segregated south to upper -tunities. So I always think education is the key to access to jobs and many other things. So for me on the front end, we ought to be educating people, but people who are in a car traded on our criminal Justice system, we ought to be providing them access to education, doing an assessment, the minute people come into the system to figure out where they are, what their needs are, but assuming that people don't have a have literacy issue, teach them to read and write while they're there, then get them on a path to hire to GED in higher education, but don't. But but but figure out what it is they need because we need to quit people to be successful and education is the key. So one of the things we have at John Jay is a prison to college pipeline program which has been hugely successful and early in my tenure at John. Jay, I went out to Otis, fill prison on to meet our students. There. Because that's what they are. There are students and to get in the program you have to be within five years of release. We don't ask what you're what you're in prison for your all our students, and I can tell you the the, the first visit I had five or six men came up to me independently..

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