Canada, David Brooks, Scandinavian Canada discussed on The Munk Debates
To the monk dialogues special edition of the Munk. Debates podcast where we invite big thinkers to reflect on what our world will look like after Cova nineteen. This Week New York Times columnist David Brooks. Now on how the pandemic will change politics and society. David lead side Gut to some more questions here. There were a lot for you, so we'll answer those that we can. The next one up is from. Visual. He's asking Joe Clark the former Prime Minister of Canada. As talked about the competitive bandage that we have in Canada given our internal unity relative to the United States what are your thoughts about Canada and its leverage on the global stage in this new World David you did have a long career as a foreign correspondent, you spend a lot of time in the world's capitals and points in between you know candidate right now. Now is feeling pretty uncomfortable. Squeezed between China and the United States and the growing great-power rivalry between your country and Beijing, what do you see potentially as a path for Canada in this world that the pandemic in some ways as you said has been an acceleration of these tensions and trajectories that were kind of already set on course prior to the viruses up break. I now toggle back and forth thousand Canadian conversations, American conversations and I always think Americans are so beleaguered the division. The culture war is just so much more acute. And will we have in this country? We don't disagree more than we used to. Intellectually we just hate each other more over those disagreements with the political scientists call effective polarization, emotional position hatred is much higher and I. Don't detect that when I crossed into Canada, quite as much though you have a fair share. What I would say is that I mentioned knife, globalization and that we. Either it was betrayed by bad people or we were naive about it. But among the countries that has benefited the most from globalization that has succeeded. The most from globalization done the best, I would say his Canada. Both immigration policies in trade policies. Even guys managed to mostly avoid the financial crisis. In, so I would take Canada as much as any other country. Has hasn't instead in figuring out a solution to globalization that has not victor on, and that is not Bernie Sanders, and I would say that's been the case with Canada. I practiced in a different way with the Scandinavian countries one of things. That's really hit home for me recently as we had this debate. Often around the world. Margaret Thatcher! In your countries well where you either for the market or for the state, and the market was the right state was the left, but if you look at some of the countries with the most successful societies and I would include Scandinavian Canada in that. They have pretty strong markets. An pretty strong states. It's.