Jefferson Davis, Earl Van Dorn, William Bull Nelson discussed on Tales of American History

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About other kinds of deaths that you ran into their suicides. We've we've talked about that. But they're also episodes like Earl van Dorn general Earl van Dr give us a little everybody a little background about Iran Doran era, van Doorn was one of these real colorful individuals, and you know, the descriptions are some of these generals is as much fun as individuals themselves and George Pickett for instance, supposedly wearing perfumed ringlets. And and Earl then Doan was very much a, ladies man and very much a a real character. And he is ultimately going to be brought to his end by a dalliance. We'll say it that way. So that if you're a pro Earl van Dorn person, you can say they're mitigating circumstances about what he may or may not have done or if you're an anti Earl van Dorn person you say, well, he got what he deserved. Can pick whichever one you want. But but he was a shot in the back of his head by an enraged of a husband who had felt like he had he had taken liberties. And that you know, he deserved to be to have to answer for those. And so one of those tragedies for the civil war in the sense that this general is not killed in a combat situation. But by jealous husband who then rides off the union lines against some people would say that he knew what he was doing. And did it more for the union cause in for for being an outraged husband? So you can go through the list of those things, but friendly fire of all kinds results in the deaths of individuals who are again, not brought down by opponents but brought down by their own comrades. And so again, it can be a misidentification in a battle situation. It can be dual gone wrong or dual situation and and trans Mississippi. See I think one of my colleagues made the comment that the a lot of generals went out there to die. Seem seemed always get into these affairs of honor. And then some of them are one or more of them would be killed in the course of those affairs of honor. And sometimes it doesn't work out that way, and you survive guess, you could laugh to see another day. But sometimes very tragically of the lives are lost. You know, we talked about the some of the generals one of the famous instances in in in Louisville Kentucky at the Galt house is is William bull Nelson being killed by Jefferson, Columbus, Davis and Davis will sort of wiry little fellow. And then big bull Nelson who couldn't say one sentence without three curse words in it for a hundred and sixty. Gentleman. And I guess you figured if you're going to get into a situation of fight or a ruckus with somebody. You better be armed in that situation. If you're the skinny persons, and so and Davis shoots bull Nelson down. And again, there's outrage, but it's in the middle of a campaign, and so other things caused that to go away and Davis does not get reprimanded or anything done to him. And he continues to be in the service afterwards. So it's it's just one of those unusual things in my book, the war hits home that I was mentioning a little bit about southeastern Virginia. Michael Corcoran, who is a fiery Irish general is ours. Born general in the union is going to kill a soldier an officer who confronts him on a picket line and demands the countersign, and he feels like I'm so famous and well known or ought to be and certainly on. I'm not somebody ought to question that he took overwhelming offense Biden and ended up shooting down this fellow officer who died of the wound and it stirred up a rebellion. There was a one of the lesser known. But really good union generals. Agawam? George Washington Getty ends up basically stepping in or the union in the face of confederate movement through the region when the attention really should be on other things there was a mutiny. And there was very nearly the this break-up within the union forces over this death. That was again, totally preventable. If cooler heads, prevail and Getty's able to get the mutiny squelched while they're still trying to figure out what to do James long street and the confederates but a year a year or so later Corcoran's horse falls on him and crushes him and kills him. So again, you know who? Accidents of all kinds of broken Stirrup here or a horse racing and camp one chaplain is is rundown in in camp by someone. That's just raising his horse. Threw camp will initially and takes him out. So, you know, there's almost if you can think of it somebody had something like that happen to I've often been fascinated with the bull Nelson Jefferson, David Jefferson, c Davis con confrontation in the Galt house because we still have a goal town. And but here's a case where I mean, it's just a cold blooded killing. Yeah. In the in the lobby and you're right. I mean, Jefferson Davis never comes to Justice with that. But he's got powerful people with. I mean, Oliver Morton governor of Indiana is certainly going to tell the Lincoln administration. Don't you dare touch that man? If you want troops out of Indiana, you leave him alone. I mean, and so that's the deal and Davis. Goes through the war. You know in command and oboe Nelson rest up there in Maysville one thing about being a person that not I just want to say, maybe not the most popular individual either. So if you're a person who's made a lot of enemies, not a whole lot of people are going to mourn, if something that is because he did he made a lot of enemies. Nelson. And he got that name. It was well deserved. Well, they're they're there yet others we've got deaths in prison camps. Right. Tell us a little bit about those. It can be anything that you can imagine from the conditions. The weather the food the exposure. And this can be in southern prisons can be a northern prisons extreme cold conditions for men from the south that are not quite as a prepared for those one way or the other in this in the south. Of course, Andersonville is notorious, but prisons all across the south suffered from shortages and all kinds of of difficulties that plague not only the the men in the camps the guards. I mean, so there were times where conditions weren't much different for people outside than inside. But I from disease and malnutrition and all of those things that you'd expect to sometimes just guards doing whatever. Regards wanted to do the there were rumors at sometimes it seemed as if God was almost going to get a promotion to another level if they shot a prisoner because they seem to want to do it and the deadlines it existed in places like Andersonville chief you cross that deadline. You could be struck down someone who simply couldn't take it anymore. It's another form of suicide step across knowing that that might happen. But there were places where they would be a building that you were told do not come into the window of that building. And sometimes a guard would not ask questions, and if you happen to appear in the window, they took a shot, and it might result in the death. And so any again number of things that you could imagine might happen for men who are really vulnerable and Kaba prison, which is a prison that had a terrible habit of flooding in high water could create again conditions that a man may or may not be able to to extricate himself. Selma. And then what's worse courses? The terrible story. The cell Tanna afterwards where prisoners from Andersonville and Kaaba and had already been through enough. Get on a steamboat on their way, home, and the steamboat is massively over burden overladen, and and a boiler explosion and fire, and and all kinds of things occur that throw men into the water and caused them to you know, have to fend for themselves that they're going to have any chance at all. And then the explosion itself, the skulled ings all those things it would happen there that are just indicative of steam boat transportation. I don't know how to tell you there were there were almost sixteen hundred deaths on the cell town. That's more than on the Titanic. So it's it's ironic that one of the things we know almost in our culture that we think there's one of the tragedies and is a tragedy that is an iconic tragedy of this other of tragedies. Also, that's. Scale that type of scale. We have a memorial stone here in Lexington in the old a Piscopo burying ground on third street to a victim of the sultana. So there was one boy from this town who died on on that. And and here you have finally released from prison and gets his far as boarding the sultana on the Mississippi River and dies in a just are horrible death with fire as you say scalding drowning. Story that almost reminds the USS Indianapolis, and that's right. That's in the second World War.

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