Mine Marshall Goldsmith, United States, CEO discussed on The ROI Podcast

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Now, there are many things that that hold women back their cultural things there structural things there things outside their control, but I was particularly interested in that which does lie within our control and knows our habits and behaviors and I kept hearing over and over about the same. Issues that would arise that were problematic for women. Great colleague of Mine Marshall Goldsmith, who is the CO author on this book had written an international bestseller. What got your won't get you there, and it is about the habits and behaviors most likely to get in the way of successful people as they seek to move to the higher level in their career. That is make that transition from early or mid career up into leadership positions and Marshall had the brilliant insight that the very habits and behaviors it can serve you well early in your career can be problematic as you move into leadership I thought that was very impactful, but I did notice not surprisingly given that Marshall's base as an executive. Coach is about eighty five percent male that many of the habits that he focused on didn't seem to me to be that Germane to women or to to be much of a problem for women at things like learn to apologize and don't always talk about how great you are, which reflected his own CEO male base but certainly not the woman I worked with. So I suggested to him that we collaborate take that model he had and look at it for the Lens of what would habits and behaviors most likely to hold women back and how women rise is the result you know everyone like said in the intro has barriers that they must overcome. But you mentioned that women face specific and even different road blocks from men. What is it about these robots or what makes these roadblocks so different? I think it's basically the different experiences. Women have women. One of the habits look at in in the book is reluctant to claim your achievements that is hoping others will are late. Oh, she did a great job on such and such without your happy to do it yourself and what is this based in? Of course there there can be aspect of upbringing that come into. But it also is that many women have the experience of having talked about an achievement and having had somebody say what you certainly seemed to be proud of yourself or you know that's really quite inappropriate. The way you were talking women often get tagged as arrogant or self centered or being all about me for behaviors that are otherwise accepted in the workplace also with overvaluing expertise and other of the habits. women have often had their expertise right to be in the position they are really questions. So they feel that they have to do everything they can to make sure everyone knows they deserve their in the position. That they're in. So I, it really comes often down to the experiences. Women have early in their careers sally I'm curious. Were there some of these habits that you felt at a personal level and and a worthy? Oh my goodness. I would say that. You know I probably at some time in my career exhibited practically every one of these habits the perfection trap certainly overvaluing expertise feeling like I needed to to put out there that I needed to earn every single thing I did and. Talk Too much about you know what I don how I done it and trying to earn my place expecting others to spontaneously noticed value your contributions that was certainly I had and I had communication behaviors in particular there to communication behaviors in this book and one is. Minimizing what you do and the other is too much too much background too many words to to. Too. Many ideas at once just you know that sold flow. In the United States we do know that studies show that women use on average twenty, thousand words a day and Menus on average seven thousand words a day..

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