Jesus, New Testament, Judas discussed on The Juan on Juan Podcast
That were filled with the you know the scholars. and. New Testament scholarship and at the things. The subjects and you know as long as you get to. To. Sort of academic protocols you could ask anything. Discuss anything, and then as what one. Scholar Particular Steve. Davies I really liked his work the way that he approached things and. republish some of his books through the press and. But. Yeah, so when so okay, so as also I've always been fascinated by. The idea of sort of lost works you know like the Lost Gospels. Loss sayings of Jesus. You know these sayings attributed to Jesus on found in the New Testament and. Where they come from. How. How wailed. Represents Jesus might have said and how well the sayings in the New Testament represented Jesus said. So, so I got involved in the whole the. Paraphernalia of New Testament scholarship and then I came across the no six. INTERESTED NASA terrorism. Objective before the Internet kind of took over, you'd see references the stakes without really knowing much about who they were. Out of course I bought a copy of the county library in English add. The Gospel of Thomas. That's really very immediate to read it. You know it's of explicitly esoteric at it reads. Reads like an esoteric version of the kind of sayings, you guys in the Canonical Gospels and then the Gospel Fit. Fascinating extra on the so but a lot of the stuff. You know really hard Ah, look at this, and it seems so different so the new testaments long lists of our cons who ruled different parts of the body and these strange named. Abstracts entities who. The translation of these we had Greek names and neue protein oil. Or Yaldo, bosses barbarous lines. It's absolutely you know my experiences as mystifying. Fascinating those the demon. And all these different Again it's. An touching on what you said a little bit earlier, you know these sayings that weren't record. That are in the New Testament but again at the end of the day Andrew. WHO DECIDES WHO decides? What's canonical on? What's not canonical so again? The Church? So what? What's noncanonical? It's going to be discredited. Why because it's not in? The official you know text for them, and it's going to be discredited and again it just makes you in a way. Look at things in a bias form because when you're reading these texts. How much credibility can you give to them? You know and how much credibility do they deserve or or or you know what I mean it's. It's very A. Very interesting. Yes yeah you mean like sort of historical. That historical veracity as to. Who Jesus walls. That kind of thing, well, yeah, again, what fascinates me to like? The Church Says No, this is these are the gospels. These are the ones that matter you know. This is what Jesus said, and then you. Obviously, you have the other side of the coin. The Gospel of Judas which is also fascinates me which paints a completely different picture, but at the end of the day it's a nasty taxed so. You know what I mean. Can you even give it credibility because the Gospel of Judas flips everything on its head? Absolutely everything. So! At the end of that makes you look and go are these texts? Do they even matter? You know that's the way I see it so I. Do they matter? Do they knock but at the at the end of the day they're you know what I mean. Yeah, sure I'm in I mean you have to ask it? In what way does You know. Would they matter? I mean? I think the way to approach to Mr trying to work out what they're saying. And then see you know. Does that resonates with you Is it because you know in terms of Historical authenticity, the Gospels and the new testaments Bidwell demolished. Things being analyzed. Matthew and Luke. Basically two. New Versions of the gospel of Mark with. Added stuff And for enough, you're kind of mainstream. Christian it is very important. Infamous mainstream Christians that Jesus really did. Come down in the Flash, and really whilst the Son of God Radio Walls Crucified and. Read. It was a real resurrection But if you're not so wedded to these very neutral. Interpretations My approach has you can. Wearing different sets of clothes you can try. You can take the approach of the Gospel of Judas and see where that leads. You see what it's trying to teach you and then you can go. So the gospel of Philip which. Is quite different in many. Ways and You know when he was saying he was saying something about. You know that we have so much. Stuff out that thing and You know that's for real hallmark of our age. that we just inundated with information and have. More knowledge about You know all these different. Civilizations and cultures through throughout the ages than any. A station for humanity has had. That's technology. That's were approaching the. Fascinates me, I I also do a had an episode with. This guy who goes around ancient. Ancient. Megalithic structures around the world and he studied them and. It's crazy the amount of knowledge these. These people had at that time. And? It makes you wonder where they got it from because right now you know I can look your work can look anything up from my from a supercomputer in my pocket, my phone and I can find any information that I. Want at any point in time. How did they do it back? Then you know. How do they navigate? While they looked at the stars or holiday? No at the stars led him to lead them to where it was or. Even how some of the you know, the Mayans, they had such an extensive knowledge of the stars, and even the Egyptians and all these cultures, and it's like you said Yeah! We are in an age where we do have information available to us and more than you know more information. than any point in time. Yeah, that's that's correct. Yeah, and it said it in some ways I think. Many similarities between our time and Sort of a time of late antiquity so. The, Second set for centuries on onwards said. When the Roman Empire, Reached its peak, then to decline, and it'd already taken over the head of mystic empire is to being founded by. Alexander the Great and the generals that followed him and so. People at least in the you know the cities, the Greek and Roman cities. They have access to all sorts of different religions from different countries and different cultures so instead of just growing up with a local gods it. You know they had the Roman. Gods who Explicitly modeled after the. Greek Golz God's for. Asia even die nicest. Thought to. Come from Asia it even in Indian, gods things Atis and Siberia. The right mother, then you and the Egyptian. You know the whole Range of Egyptian culture. With the Alexandra. Spell. A Greek city and had this Masha. Greek culture gypsum culture. There's a huge. Jewish. Colony. And so it was very much meeting. Different Cultures with some of the same problems that we have now. How'd you? Absorb all that How'd you find meaning? When. You know the so just so much stuff sloshing around everywhere. And you, you can say that postmodernism. We got some very bad rap quite rightly. Emmanuel is better I find. You know has some many interesting aspects to it. You know that. The relativism and. You know the. Inability to state any particular form of culture is really superior to any of the. there's a.