Yeah i've spoken to a few comments. I mean i've had the privilege of walking with some of them are over the course of saltine tennis for example the the team for that was myself nick lester oven palmer and naomi cavity who were all very established commentators and i was kind of the new kids with their with the big dogs in our who knew what they were doing but they were really kind to me naomi cavity in particular has kept in touch and offered advice and let me use hers a sounding board and if i have questions like and nothing beats kind of hearing from people who've been there and done that and have taken the roads that you have already sar yard chats at a lot and they are me pete. Oranges has been really good to me as well. A lot of people will know pete. He's one of the big voices. Now i think particularly on the acp slide of plans yet. He's given me advice. I've done a bit of pulmonary tree with him and yeah. Hopefully as i keep progressing. I'll walk with more and more of these guys Yeah i respect for. I don't think people realize until they go to do it. That coleman tree is not so straightforward. Is it sounds obviously for people that go into. I mean for me. Y'all has come quite naturally still a long way to go but it is still is much easier to to listen to it than to do it yourself. And i have a lot of respect for the people that have have given me feedback and advice on who who teach me something new every time that i speak to them. Chris balas is another one. That's really looks out for me. Yeah i'm. I'm definitely still learning and grateful for the bits of feedback that i got along. The way just might be questioned for me on the head you not be repetitive. You know tink of different ways of saying the same thing. Because i know i list backed myself a podcast and you hear yourself saying words. So many times tried to put them out like so's one on and are very descriptive. It's trying to stop on. It's quite hard to do when you're on the job at the time when you're so involved watching the tennis that you forget and all of a sudden you go into repetition. Have you had to do courses or training for that just comes with practice and this is the big thing with with commentary. I'm not necessarily sure that you learn to do it. But as you do more of it you as you do it you don't. I don't think you take a course or something to become a common cesar Get on the mic. You do a match and you listen to other people. And that's that's how you progress at the end of the day definitely have had struggles with repetition and was that i use to death. Actually some of the players probably would giving me a bit of grief about an just ban. So of course there are was emphatic. I use them fats law. That's my favorite one at the moment. There's a lot of you got to be kidding. Me when someone has a good shot that kind of thing as these kind of things. That when i look back at matches the i've done i pick up on this. There was a time about a year. Ago where i was saying you are constantly and i listened back to the match and i thought good grief abigail. That's once every ten seconds. You just you take notes of that once you've taken north of it. You are more aware of it. So the next match. And i mean i nearly said it again. That is one of those things where at the end of the day. It's not going to matter too much but you want to keep it fresh. And you want to keep entertaining. Oh i think that's why it's so even though it's cringe-worthy at times so listen to yourself back because that's how you lawn. I think the biggest way you learn is a by doing and b by listening to what you have done an looking at what you can change for the future. Because i think there is some danger of just listening to other people and trying to model yourself on them then you become a carbon copy them and you. You lose your uniqueness and what you bring to the table. So i think the two best ways that you learn with commentary and my opinion is by doing and bu listening back true i think at the same podcast and here. You got. Listen yourself back because that's where you realize. Oh i still haven't learned you know you always on it. But i used to with ozzy open member driving a bit when it was on during the day and it had the country on the radio country and i i think wimbledon have commentaries well on the radio which i think is great because we all watch. Tv all day. Fortunately but what's the difference apart from the descriptive element of of radio. Do you one prepare radio over. Tv or preferred tv. And what are the major challenges in the differences. It's interesting because i've literally just done. Radio commentary for the first time. You mentioned that. I've just broken into atp. That's something i've been pushing for awhile. And i'd sids Cincinnati masters for tennis. Righty our last month. And it's a little bit of a culture shock compared to tv because with radi are you have to be high energy high intensity all the way along because you literally all the the consumer has. They don't have the picture they can't see anything else that's going on. They read everything from your voice. So you'll voice has to reflect at what point of the match. It is in our. If it's a key moment you have to share that. If it's a good shot have to reflect that. And you don't wanna leave too many gaps so the end of the day either because there's a lot of buzz on the background but they don't necessarily know what's going on so so with radar. It has to be constant constant constant all the way through the match and actually i did a week of tv strike after i did radar in august and immates. Tv feel sorry much more of a light job. I would say because i that following week after. Atp tennis radio. I had a week of league. And i was doing four straight matches day generally. Oh my are so i thought. Wow that's going to be intense but actually radio made it feel a lot less of a workload. I think with tv is more measures. Heads you've got to make sure that what you say is adding to the picture with radio. You are the one person describing with tv. Everything you say has to be adding to what the viewer is already seeing. They don't want to north That was a good backhand they saw. That was a good backhand. But why was it a good bag. You've got to elaborate. And that kind of thing. And i think with with tv you kind of set the scene. You give a background details. Radio people come to his show by show analysis. That's why at this point in time. That's my general view of it. As i say. I've not got as much experience radio at the mormon. I think i will be very at home with it. So the down the line a couple of other commentators said to me ahead of time that abigail. Up really good at radio because she likes to talk a lot. I took as a compliment. I definitely took more vacations to do. Well are yeah. I think the radio will quite suit me because you've probably walked sal. I don't really know when to stop talking. But i i do love. Tv as well. I was looking at moving into commentary at i think. Tv wants the big goal on radio is always to people. It's be- pretty tough job for one person like a horse commentator where you no one can work of the two works well for radio. Always car commentary on on radio when i started on tv. I was actually generally on my own for wpa matches sar. When i got to world feed coverage like team tennis on the french open. I had to get used to doing it with common sub. But yet radio's a big job. You have to do it on your own and actually. I'm glad that i was practicing at home ahead of time doing it. Completely all my arm because it meant the when you actually got doing it with someone else. It felt that easy outsider. Yeah it would be an intense job with with just the one person in the radio commentary booth nice and compared to somebody's played the tour. Some the who's coach players..