Facebook, Boston, Norm Pattiz discussed on VB in the Middle
Switching gears yet again. We've been all over the road this Wednesday here on the Vinnie Penn Project on W. RKO and I appreciate your coming along for that ride Voice of Boston. Such an honor. We go to the phones right now. I want to welcome to the show Attorney Norm Pattiz. He's helped me out a couple of times before here. Doing my feelings if you will, and if anyone wants did Nash on big brother on the tech CEO owes And Zucker Burg and all that it's going to be attorney, Norm Pattiz, who took a hiatus from Social Media said. I've had enough. It's too intrusive. It's too invasive, but didn't even last a year, sir. It lasted about a year. I think what happened is I read she Shauna Do Boss book. She's a professor of their thinking. I might come about the steak and, um and she, she wrote something called the Agent surveillance capitalism and her. Her point was a simple one Social media Lucien and get you addicted to the weapon effort. And then then the jolt when somebody likes what you're doing. And said, harvests what you like, and it sells. You're dead of other people so that they can predict your behavior and manipulate you. And then and then they have the audacity to tell you what you can and you can't print. And when I realized that was going on, it was like the scales fell off of my eye, and I said, yes, these people I don't really want to be playing on somebody else's field and what men make money off me and then having them tell me what I can and can't say so I pulled the plug. About a year later, I realized, you know, missing out because it may be that I'm being manipulated, But I'm also getting something out of it, And that is the ability to connect with others to express myself to learn what's on other people's minds. So I made a cost benefit analysis and I jumped back in, but I jumped back in with my eyes wide open and, you know, I'm looking at Zucker Burg and I'm looking at Dorsey in front of Congress, and I'm on a slow burn, You know, Let's think about the business model with social media. Has they get immunity from lawsuits? They get to harvest our debt to sell it to advertisers. And they make so much money. They don't They don't even have time to count it. They've got away. It And then they sent for us and they sent to us without um, and can never be sued for their decisions because of section 2 30 of the Communications Decency Act. It is the biggest AM going in the United States is as though we gave standard oil oil wells, the right to drill oil, sell it pollutes the environment and not ever have any consequences. We shouldn't stand for it. And here's my solution. I disagree with people like Roger McNamee, who was an angel investor in Facebook and in early advisor to Mark Duck Pervert who thinks that we need somehow government regulation of speech in the digital world. I don't want government regulating my speech. I want Publishers to be accountable for this speech that they that they permit that they use on that they permit on their platforms. And I think the way to do that is if they want to enjoy to 30 immunity than they should be required to abide by First Amendment standards. We don't need to create a whole new body of law out of whole cloth to regulate speech. In a quintessential public forum. The First Amendment's been doing that for a couple of centuries, and it may not be perfect. We may have problems with hate speech. We may not know the difference between permissible, vigorous speech and fighting words, you know those legal standards and lines, maybe difficulty to draw. But I don't want some tech nerd whether it's in Silicon Valley or up there in Boston, telling me what I can and can't say, and I don't want my speech to have to conform to the standards of people whose politics I disagree with. So what do we have? Now? We had the hunter by the story and the possibility that he's funneling his funneling dodo Papa Joe from the Ukraine. It comes up through the New York Post and Twitter decides it's too hot to handle. And then we learned at the hearings in Congress, not only that they think it was too hot to handle. They may have talked about it to people on Facebook. They may have talked about it to people at Google and some secret Kabbalah is saying what I can and can't say. And then they decide to suppress it, and it may have had an election on a new impact on the election. I'm not worried about Russian interference in the United States electoral process. I'm worried about high tech interference in the electoral process and as well so how we how and when we can express ourselves So you know my view is Let's take a hard look at 2 30. You know, it would be a simple legislative fix. You don't have to threaten to dissolve these mega corporations. You can simply say, if you're going to occupy this space in the public market, you must adhere to First Amendment standards in employment law in many states, such as in Connecticut, Um you know, the First Amendment applies only the government. I mean, many people don't understand that it says Congress shall make no law. It doesn't say anything about private industry. So Facebook and company says we can do whatever we want, because you know what? We're not government. We'll make them behave like government in Connecticut. A private employer cannot fire a person because of their speech. The state statute says. Um, um, um You apply first minutes. Candor to unemployment Will doctor Why can't we do the same thing of social media And then if they engaging that has happened. Those firings have taken place Norman and we both know it. They have taken place. It's just nobody's hired. You know you want to defend them and to get them their job back or Severin space there. Dairies. Litigation. No, but look with respect it with respect to social media. You know, the government cannot engage in content based discrimination. It can't decide that some views are too too hot to handle and some views are okay. There can't be a PC witness test when the government regulates speech and their cross not to be one with social media. We just need to scream about that, because you know, yesterday it was The New York Post tomorrow, which W R K o And what's it going to be next? Something that Syria overhears in your house, You know? Did you see the story about what's going on in Scotland? There's a new statute in Scotland. Where in if you engage in so called hate speech in your own home, you could be prosecuted. Oh, yeah. Who's the witness is gonna be Siri, You know we're gonna get him. I mean, it's a chilly world, killing a frightening world world. You know, Uh maybe, but no, no, I love it. It's great stuff. And again. We're on with Attorney Norm Pattiz on we We've talked about this before. It is quite creepy stuff. How our phones are listening. I mean, maybe there are others who are aren't is dumbfounded by this as I am, And I don't think it has anything to do with my age. It has to do with just how invasive it is. But I can quite literally and it just happened A few days ago I talked to one of my kids. They mentioned something that they want. For Christmas. Just a casual conversation in the living room. The next day in my Facebook feed comes up advertisements for this very item that I didn't do a Google search. All I did was have a conversation about it. So we are absolutely being I don't know if does that qualify as a bug in your home? I would think that it does. Well, I think we've been we've signed on and we know you know, we've activated Syrian permitted Syria to listen. But here's the thing that I I'm finding these are my wife and I were disagreeing about something the other night and I don't know what I said. But my phone picked it up in the next thing you know Siri through. It's too sensitive on Di Don't really want Syria, listening to my disagreements with my wife. What's next, you know, knock it off Norm. She's right. Or maybe I'll get a personal call from Mark Zuckerberg. You know you're going to be suspended from Facebook for 30 days unless you agree to take out the trash with a smile on your face. I mean, and you know you we could go ahead and laugh about stuff like this. But that's what happens in China. People get social utility scores, and your access to public services are based in part on what those scores are you doing up there in Boston? I mean, I don't know if you any of your listeners are in Emmett Social Media lab. And if you're taking calls today, but I'd like, you know, I'd like some of those folks to call in and ask them what they're up to. You know, the social.