Jack, Lord Soda, Jill discussed on ICYMI



I'm sorry it had to be asked. I don't know. I knew the reaction it would incite. No, no. No, it's not that it shouldn't be asked. It's just like, how could he describe it in a way that's not going to immediately piss people off? Okay, so odd Wikipedia, it says that Jack and Jill is a leadership organization for him doing The Great Depression for the 1938 by African American mothers with the idea of bringing together children in a social and culture environment to create a medium of contact for children, which will stimulate growth and development. Rachel's head is just in her hands at this point. Separately, there was a book that was written and I believe in the 1990s by lord soda called our kind of people. A banger. Which is essentially him as a person who grew up at like a community of people with names and how they looked that class before a race. And Potomac tends to actually kind of mirror some parts of that in a way that blows up into the broad ball universe because Potomac is kind of like the Jack and Joe blacks, we're a house of Atlanta is kind of just like the regular blacks on my campus, right in the quad, right? And so it's like kind of the different parts of like black digital and real life. And like all of them are kind of trying to put out one narrative themselves, but at the end of the day, you only reflect back like who you are, no matter how hard he try to be one thing or the other. The divide that you're getting to between Jack and Jill blacks and kind of everybody else. I kind of going back to Madison's question about whether the online discussion will help white people understand what's going on on the show. I feel like it doesn't at all because that kind of nuance is getting lost between the conflict between Candice and Monique was kind of Jack and Jill versus Monique who grew up kinda rough and was like now had money, but did not know the proper etiquette. And so when you get these new viewers coming in because of the fight, they're missing all of the kind of social contacts that I think if you're keeping up with the black audiences talking about it online or like the blogs or even like recaps reading by black writers, half of the show is getting lost in translation. Right, 'cause if you remember, after the fight, the first thing she said is you're hood round, you're fire. And like mode is like a regular around the weight check, but she's not a hood rat, you know? Like she's just, you know, on around the way girl, right? How do you explain the nuance of that insult and why she's able to get away with calling or need that specifically because she's brown skin? And you have to be deep in the recesses of black Twitter, right? To search and cope through the hashtag and figure that out. This reminds me of one of the questions I had, which is, do you think it's fair game for all like, I mean, Robbins brought up blog posts, gisele has brought up blog posts at this point. Every single time it gets brought up, the other person is always like, how dare you bring this onto the show? But it's driving the show at this point. Rachel, can I ask a question about your question? Yeah. And both of you could answer. When you say that cast members act like bringing up these blog posts, sacrosanct, like you're not supposed to do it. Are they just supposed to pretend the Internet doesn't exist on the show? Well, there was a time when they kind of did. And so everybody was really, really bored during quarantine and everybody started going on Instagram Live. And that all the girls who just beefing with each other all day every day, right? Until apparently bravo actually had this help them to intervene and said, you guys have to stop. Because I didn't know about that. Yeah, it was getting a little aggressive. I'll never literally happen on Instagram Live. So that was what fourth wall breaking kind of became big on this show. But it wasn't ever really standard to be like blog post to be published everywhere. That was ever really normal. So then after that, a Potomac, they just started to become more like, well, fuck it. On the blogs and said that, as other blogs and die. There's something like quaintly analog about gossip blogs becoming a character on a show again. To me, that feels like the Gossip Girl era when they are getting to like fake gawker blogging. And the funny thing is on the gossip the gossip blogger side as someone who's like spoken to a couple of them. Like there's this idea that they're getting paid as in transactionally paid. And they're not, not really, right? A lot of the cast was like, oh yeah, you know, bonica has paid the paid XYZ person to, you know, be on their side. They're not really getting paid. They get distracted by association and parasocial relationship. The same way that anybody else does. So the person who they've been writing about regularly, the second they start paid them a little bit of attention, Monique says a few essential oils, right? You know, like building that level of relationship, but then all of a sudden they feel like they have a relationship with the celebrity, right? You know? And not those level affinity. So that all of a sudden, I know from inside source, right? That XYZ thing happens, right? So it's not that Monique or whoever is actually paying them to get the favorable stories. It's that they feel like they've built a kinship with someone, right? It is, in fact, cheaper to just be nice. They don't have to pay a $1000. So we've gotten into a lot about the ways that the differences between the kind of Jack and Jill set and the new money set plays out on Twitter and on the show. But Instagram, the most visual of all mediums probably is where you can see it more clearly, right? Yeah, I think it's kind of started to blend a little bit more in recent seasons, but in the earlier seasons you saw it a lot more. We can compare, for example, real houses, but Landon versus Potomac, to see the most distinct blend, right? Someone like Karen Hugh, you know, she has her little grand DOM for him, right? Her whole kind of aesthetic while it is around like big gestures. It's still around the idea of homemaking, right? Like the family unit. Whereas someone like Marlo Hampton, it's about flaunting and ostentatiousness. It's like, look at the brands I have. Look at the labels, our own look at all the coach bags I have. Look at where I step out to don't worry about who's buying it for me, right? You know, it's kind of the whole soft launch partner thing, right? And big man in the background sponsoring me and you don't have to worry about who it is. That's the kind of distinction between the aesthetic and how they interact with each other. The idea is wholesomeness and presentation versus the whole we're out. We're stepping out where the demand and VIP where we go out. Karen Hugh does not care about whether or not she's going to be at stadium. That's not the vibe that she's trying to give off, right? Honestly, I kinda wish it was the vibe she was trying to give off. But I have one last question for you. And it's a very important question. What the fuck is up with giselle's TikTok? Oh my God, honestly. I love giselle. I will say this. I actually really think as much as I've talked about is albeit a light skinned like green eyed bandit in villain. I actually do think giselle seems like a great mob. No, she does. The way her kids talk to her. I'm like, oh, you know, that's a good relationship. Her kids literally tell her she is like a mess every single week and she's like, I receive that. But I say that as a way to transition to her TikTok, which is like, one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. Because to give a comparison, I actually Darby has a TikTok, which is basically her dancing and Doja Cat songs. But gisele, honestly, it's high art. I just don't ride on TikTok. It is literally just like her, like, just putting the camera out herself to like poorly synced songs and it's also like song tres that are like four months old. You kind of have to just decide what part of the TikTok speaks to you both. The bug that she pointed to in the middle of the collage, the random plant.

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