Dave, Bernie, Elizabeth Kubler Ross discussed on Dr. Drew Podcast
So we're a little bit worried about you with it too because i've seen a kind of trigger people and and i and it's just like work with their mood but it kind of put them in that space but i could tell her thinking was it tends to be really clinical. Yeah and it tends to pathologies the the client in a way interesting medical. Something's wrong with me. I in this clinical environment do thing. That's why i say again. I focus on the set setting intention and integration. Because that's the real work in. The real healing isn't in the experience. It's in what you've learned from the experience and how you put that into practice into your life so dave is flirting with profound and difficult terrain there. Which is you know. How do we get people to participate in their treatment. How do they get to the place. where that. Kind of insight motivates ongoing work. How does it work actually happen because lot of people can talk like that and then not do the work you know. It's this is the magical spot for me which is how do you get you know. It's like they used to say the old joke. How do you get a psychiatrist to take to screw in a lightbulb. One but after the light bulb that issue of that wanting motivating whatever that magic is that the human spirit becomes willing to change. I guess it's the change stitch formative part that happens. Not necessarily as dave pointed out so eloquently in the actual medicine experience the integration afterward because so much emphasis placed on. Oh this person's blasted out on these drugs. And everybody's so hyper focused on that. And i believe missing the bigger piece which is when you have a history of trauma that you actually feel safe in your body and then being. Mdr therapist to for me. What i often do in as dave pointed out twos in the integration. I like to bring in what they learned from the actual journey so it's sort of a cognitive processing at the end of the experience. Well it's being able to hold positive affect because at with traumas we know. There's an inability to hold positive affect you know the other thing this this integrating phenomenon. I had a weird in my own therapy. Which is mostly focused Yeah i love that. And but i had to have a cognitive frame before i felt safe going in noticed through therapy i kept always understand it when understand i understand and once i got it up here then i could walk into the experience. A very weird. But that's me. That was the one thing onto that. Also with the psychedelic. Workers at eight is part of a multi disciplinary approach. It's not just the psychedelic experience. I also have a therapist. I also practice yoga. I do breath work. There's a. There's a number of things that i i have to do for myself to feel in my body safe home and i think that would bernie was talking about with the safety aspect and being someone who survived a lot of trauma in my life with the psychedelic journey. I'm able to access some of those scarier more traumatic moments in my life. Because i feel safe and health. You wanna mention your documentary of anybody. Wants to hear more about your traumas. Oh i did it documented. By the way. I love thank you so much i did. I documentary about the murder of my mother. When i was fifteen years old. And it's called morning sun. mou are in. I n g s o n. and i i struggled with putting that out but i really felt that it could hopefully help people feel less alone that are going through similar. Oh boy so morning. I get the feeling even gotten into what i want to get into. But there's so much everywhere but but but i. this is a wholly other path and we'll try to make it short. But i feel like one of the i mentioned wanting to change and getting the human engaged in it i feel like grief is one of the primary blocks people. Pe- humans will do anything not to feel grief with her all the time with families with advanced aging and all this stuff and it was just even now. They've cove were not dealing with grief properly at all in order to change real change. You have to a part of you has to die. You have to feel the grief and you have to move into whatever it is. You're meant to be and i personally experienced. I swear to god. I was depressed for about two years in my therapy and i didn't even realize it and i was looking back on it. You know. i think. I've been depressed wakeup years but but i haven't changed m effort and it's because of that change that i was having this sort of grief reaction and i. I don't know how we get through. I think all spiritual stuff maybe helpful but go ahead one of the things i was gonna say is. Unfortunately the culture doesn't make room for loss and death. there isn't really a narrative. Denial about it right. So there's this illusion of just forever land and unfortunately there isn't really the ability to frame it for people so that when it actually happens and we come close to losing people or actually death. I think people tend to be in shock for a lot of it and they talk about you know of course. Elizabeth kubler ross's five stages. The first one being denial and so that that level of being sort of numb and out of it. I think that as a therapist myself and holding space for them. I think it's critical that you find a spiritual way into that for them and holding space. I'm sure david understand this but could most people don't really understand what that is holding the frame that is the people. I want to emphasize this if you if you look back at where we're coming up on the five hundred episode here right gary. Yes garrison listening to music. I think we're coming up on the five hundred episode soon. And if you look back across most of these podcasts you will see me talking about. The power of two skulls brain's changing other brains and we don't change by ourselves we just don't and we need that frame. I and and the safety of that frame and the the intensity of focus and atonement. That's necessary for the actual other brain to start to grow and that's another thing. We don't make enough. No attachment focused. Therapy is all about feeling scene and just gazing in the deaad diabetic relationship of just the therapist and the client so much happens just without and i.