This program is well at town Hall Review way We're living in extraordinary times. For the second time in 13 months, President Trump has been impeached. Nearly every Democrat in a notable handful of Republicans voted to impeach Wednesday evening. Now the articles had to the Senate for trial. Donald Trump is set to leave office Wednesday even before his trial in the Senate begins. If indeed such a trial ever comes to pass, Joe Biden will be inaugurated Wednesday. Democrats will have controlled the House Senate and the presidency. The effort to impeach is a parting shot in the president that the left openly despised the entire four years. He was in office and before and after. This is a dangerous precedent. Donald Trump accomplished quite a bit in these four years, from historic progress on peace in the Middle East to three solidly conservative Supreme Court justices on the court and over 230 federal judges altogether. But the month of January was a disaster for his legacy, Beginning with loss of those two Senate seats in Georgia quality by the protests and violence siege of the capital has talk of impeachment approach to prosecute Senator Ben Sasse joined me on the you Hewitt show. What is your assessment of the president's intention and his culpability for the insurrectionists and the writers breaking into the capital and murdering a capital policeman? Well, the people's capital, which is obviously the greatest symbol around the world of freedom and liberty and self government. There's pulling all over the world that the dome of the Capitol is literally the most identifiable symbol. Freedom, and it was ransacked by a mob that was incited by the president. United States while blood was actually being shed in the capital, and I was in the Senate chamber. And the Secret Service was trying to rush the vice president to safety. At those exact moments. The president is tweeted rage tweeting against the vice president. Why? Because Mike Gives Vice president Pence had the audacity of fulfill his oath of office to the Constitution. The big deal lives have consequences. I'm curious about the word in sight. It has a legal meeting. I know you're not a lawyer, but in sight means to act with the purposeful intention to cause. That's why I asked you the question I did. Do you think he intended the mob to break into the Congress? You are right that I am not a lawyer. So there's 5 15 sub definitions of insight. But the president had a rally hours before this happened, where he's telling them to go to the capital and to go wild. It's a part of a pattern. The guy is addicted to division this. This is a deep broken this in his soul. You and I've talked about it multiple times. Donald Trump is a guy who who hurts and I hurt for him at an anthropological on a human level, but it a level of his oath of office to the Constitution. The duty of the president. United States is to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, and the president is addicted to social media and to television and to division and he's been lying to the American people for eight straight weeks and planned it long before No matter what was happening in any state, he was going to say the election was being stolen and the people needed to rise up. So senator doing, he said repeatedly to go wild when you get to the capital, and when they went to Capitol in somewhere well, let's be clear here. There's 30,000 people here. The vast majority of them are honorable, freedom loving people, the vast majority of them. But not all of them, do you? I got to land the plane, though. Senator, do you think he intended for the riot in the occupation? The insurrection to happen. I think Donald Trump wanted there to be massive division and he was telling people that was a path by which he was going to stay in office after January 20th. That was never true, and he wanted chaos on television. I don't have any idea what was in his heart about what he wanted to happen once they were in the capital, but he wanted there to be chaos. And I'm sure you've also had conversations with other senior White House officials as I have Have as this was unfolding on television. Donald Trump was walking around the White House confused about why other people on his team weren't as excited as he was, as you had rioters pushing against capital police trying to get into the building. That's that was happening. He was delighted. That said, should he be impeached and removed? I think that there are a lot of questions that we need to get to the bottom of about why the National Guard was not deployed. Why was it delayed? So that's what I've been working on last night, and this morning. I want understand more about why the National Guard wasn't deployed when there had been clear calls for it. And then why that delay happens. So there are more things that I need, Toder stand before I get to a conclusion the judgment about that, But I think that the question of was the president derelict in his duty. That's not an open question. He was now you know that the history the Roman Revolution from 60 be CTO Augustus Caesar is a Progressive cycle of generations away from the norm. A rushed impeachment would be yet another iteration away from the norm. Would that not itself be terribly damaging? So I think you raise a really good point. And it's why I think there's a distinction between the objective question of was the president derelict and the Prudential judgment of what is the best way to take America forward. Donald Trump's not going to be in office. I don't care much again at a at a human level. Um, you know, I've built a relationship with the president as we had to work together over the last four years, and I'm I'm sad for Much of who Donald Trump is, Um But I don't really care at the level of American constitutional health where Donald Trump is in 2023. I do care a lot about where the American people are..