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A highlight from The Atheist Experience 25.48 11-28-2021 with Matt Dillahunty and ObjectivelyDan
"Lying. It's the atheist experience. I'm at the honey, that's objectively Dan. How are you, Dan? Oh, I'm doing great. We were just having a lovely conversation about Pokémon, gain cook, World of Warcraft and sex. I think it all jumped different topics in like ten minutes. And sometimes wonder what would happen if all of those conversations before the show got recorded and everyone would hear because it's pretty wild. I don't know how we get to talk about so many things. But here we are, so. Yeah. I think some of the conversations that go on before the show would definitely get us into some trouble. Well, you think so? So you think so, wait, you like this comedian? You don't like that comedian? Oh, you like Pokémon? You didn't like Pokémon? Oh, yeah. Everybody's got their preference for what they're gonna put up. Right. Right. If you have a hot take on what kind of comedy you like your games you're like, you definitely get you in trouble. Yeah, for sure. That's a fact. So follow my Twitter if you don't like it, 'cause I post my takes on some of all time anyway. It's Sunday. We're on the atheist experience. We got some calls coming in, and I think we could take a call. You want to take your call? I'm ready to take some calls. Yeah, let's do it. Sweet. So for the record, welcome to the show on the line right now. We have Joel pronouns are he him from Alabama wants to, I guess debunk materialism with the philosophical argument. Why would I why would I be bothered about materialism there, Joel? Welcome to the show. Okay. Well, it's an argument for spirit. It's called you can Google it. It's called the argument for unconditioned reality. And I'll give you my rendition of it. Molecules are made of atoms, atoms are made of silicon particles. Each of these is a component layer. Molecules are completely dependent on atoms, atoms are completely dependent on the particles. So there can not be an infinite series of complete dependence. So there must be something at the bottom, which is made up entirely of itself to not made of component parts and this is spirit or the unconditioned reality. Okay. So right now, subatomic is as far as we can look. So we can't why not just assume that subatomic particles are the bottom? They could be that might be with spirit is. So you're saying, okay, wow, I'm confused because you said that there must be something below subatomic particles and whatever's at the base is spirit. Well, so first of all, we haven't demonstrated that there's anything beneath subatomic particles. And when I bring up that possibility, now you just claim that maybe their spirit. Well, maybe they maybe they are, but how do you prove it? And why are you suggesting that anything could be spirit that whole argument is just a bald ass assertion that there must be something at the foundation, and I'm going to call it spirit. And when I point to why can't this be the foundation, your answer is, well, maybe that spirit. What use is any of this? Because it sounds like some word game bullshit to me. Right, the box materialism because no, no, no, sir, no sir. Your argument does not debunk material debunked materialism. You would have to prove that materialism isn't true. All you've done is say there must be something at the base of subatomic particles and that thing is spirit. Well, that's just a bald ass assertion. It's not a proof of anything. It's not matter, though. You don't know that. Subatomic particles are matter. Or are there at least the particles that are the smallest? They're not spirit. You don't have any reason to think their spirit. You're just claiming shit you can't prove. No, I'm not. Okay. Well, now you just now you just claimed you're not when you absolutely are. So go back and do some research and we'll try again another time. On that note, do you let him go already? Okay, yeah. I was gonna say like let's say, let's say that that subatomic particles are spirit, whatever that means. Okay, how does that change the reality in which I live in any meaningful way whatsoever? Right. Because at that point, you're just, I feel like an argument like that only works because of the word association that comes with spirit. You know, there's this idea that something beyond, you know, and people kind of play with these ideas that kind of make it sound more interesting or deep than it really is. But I don't think there's any substance to that, you know? It's worse than that, because he didn't have an argument that was either valid or sound. An argument, a syllogism, it has a certain structure which allows it to be valid. And then you demonstrate that the premises are true or believed in which case then it becomes sound. But he didn't have any of that. He just said, molecules are made up of atoms, atoms are made up of a subatomic particles. There can't be an infinite series of this. Therefore, there must be something at the bottom. Therefore, the thing at the bottom is spirit. Well, why not say therefore, the thing at the bottom is poop. Why not say the thing at the bottom is fit? It's fairy gs. You can say any of these things. And still, you don't know the subatomic particles aren't the bottom of the barrel. This is just somebody who's horribly confused about arguments about science and just wants to assert that it's spirit. And when I point out that he's asserting, he points out he's not, in which case he's asserting that he's not asserting when he's asserting. And so I'm removing. Right. Yeah. I mean, we had no real knowledge of subatomic particles at some point in time, you know, in the grand scheme of things. Not very long ago. So they're made definitely be something beyond that. But to just say, oh, it's spirit. That's it. You know, like, there's just no reason to think that. No. I think that's actually a brilliant rebuttal that I wish Dan would have been able to do. And so I'm sorry, I hung up because the fact that you could say, let's go back a hundred years, and you could say molecules are made up of atoms, but the atoms are made up of spirit and you would have been exactly the same position as this person, only instead of saying about subatomic particles, you'd be saying Adams. So. Yeah, it's true. It's true. Done with that one. That's it. So check this one off the list. Look at the show. We are live and by the way, if you're watching us live in chat, thank you for tuning in. I see the numbers and numbers are climbing. Some of you got here a little bit late. I've started taking calls almost the instant we go live, so you're missing out on some calls right off the bat. But for those of you who are watching, we appreciate it. If you want to, if you can, you can participate in chat there. 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A highlight from Surviving Xmas #521
"I mean, if you haven't been geared up already because it's been in your stores for a month and a half. God, or whatever. If you're unfortunate, unfortunate enough to live in these United States. It's been everywhere already, but we're doing our yeah. It's kicking into high gear now. Yeah. And so we're doing a survival guide. Yeah, where did he get through this? We have some advice to survive and you should always heed. Our advice is it's the best advice. It's never requested and always ignored. But we're gonna give it anyway. Yeah. So hey, look at us. We're in the same room. We both relatively healthy. Yeah, I've got some lingering sniffles. Hopefully nobody at home picks up on it. But we are definitely we're running on almost cooking with gas at this point. We're doing a show. The show might be about 95%. Yeah. And I'm judging. Basically, you have to give a, if any of our jokes don't land or whatever, you have to give us a pass. We need to hold. All right. All right. Well, all right, Dan. Yeah, I would like you to take a guess on this one. Oh, okay. This story is coming to us from the redemption United Methodist Church in Oklahoma City. Okay. It sounds like it's a large place. I don't know if it's like arena style, but it sounds like it's a big church. A megachurch. Okay. But it's again, I can't speak to it. I was gonna look it up, I forgot to. It's a killer. But the article refers to it as a famous church. Oh, okay. I've heard of it before, so all right, very famous. Yeah, exactly. But a woman was kicked out of the building. Okay, for bringing in some herb. Would you like to guess what herb? She brought in and which herb, they thought it was. Okay. Well, I feel like I feel like I now can I feel like you've given me enough to tell to know which herb they thought it was. Which has got to be weed. Yeah. They thought it was they thought it was weed. Marijuana. But instead, just something like a oregano. It was cilantro. That she purchased for her menudo. Oh. And she was she just was stopping at the church on the way home. Oh. And she had it in her bag and somebody saw it and mistook cilantro for marijuana. It's very, very similar in appearance. So similar. And she's like, and the whole thing's captured on video and apparently it's making its rounds on TikTok. But in the video, let's see the caption of the video says they didn't even let me explain. They automatically just accused me and so in the video it shows her saying, smell it, I promise you. But they wouldn't know. Well, 'cause first of all, they don't know what marijuana smells like and second of all. It's cilantro's a little too exotic. Really? These people. Wait, was this a brown skinned woman? Her name, it could be possible. But she's going home to menudo. So yeah, so. I mean, so that's it. I mean, you get a brownie. It's a soup, everybody. Yeah, you get a brown brown person coming in to church with a bag full of green. So you know what I'll give them credit for. Those church people that kicked her out, they are genuinely not weed smokers. No hypocrisy. No hypocrisy on that one point. They're dicks. Yeah. They're assholes. God, the worst. But any weed smoker would look at that and instantly go oh no, that's fine. Yeah. The police were involved into the situation. They did not press charges against the woman. That's nice. And the church has issued a statement. I don't think it was apologizing, but clarifying, and they're allowing her to attend prayers next week. Oh, generous. The whole thing's been sorted out. Thank goodness. Meanwhile, the full third of the rest of the congregation that actually smokes weed is just like looking around like. Okay. Okay, don't bring it. Just maybe don't even but you can smell like it. Because they don't know. Yeah, they're gonna be fine. And frankly, I mean, weed isn't even made out of leaves anymore. Like we grew up in the era when you smoked leaves of marijuana. They don't even do that anymore. Now it's all the buds, so just tell them, yeah. Tell them it's anything. It doesn't look like cilantro, not sure. All right. I'm gonna take a since you were in the south there. Is Oklahoma considered the south? It's a weird. It's a sort of nether area. It's like the depends on where you're at, but it's Oklahoma lax, it's a region. Yeah. Because some parts are like Texas, some parts are like the south, some parts of the west. It's the south Midwest. Yeah, it's odd. Any of who, I'm going to talk mostly about the south. A report came out from Columbia law school's law rights and religion project, talking about hospitals in the south. Now what they're looking at with this was abortion. And specific like, here's the thing. We all know that in the south there is a big campaign to try and stop abortion and blah blah blah. Regardless of whether it is just medically necessary or not. They don't care. So this report decided to look at what hospitals were doing because there are a lot of religious hospitals in the south. You know, there's a lot of Catholic hospitals everywhere, but there are also a lot of Protestant affiliated hospitals in the south. And actually there were a lot of formerly Protestant affiliated hospitals that are no longer that still have the name saint whatever hospital, but are no longer affiliated. Okay. They looked at all of the hospitals, secular, non secular, whatever. To just see how abortion is handled there. Okay. It is not a good picture. Oh. Even the secular hospitals are often not doing great at all. I mean, it's a big report. It's 77 pages. But they had four main takeaways. That I wanted to get to. The first one is that there are strict limits on abortion care. Throughout the south. Okay. Baptist hospitals, other Protestant affiliated hospitals. Even when they allow abortion in theory when it's necessary to save the life of the patient, it
A highlight from 458: Everlasting Gobble Stopper Edition
"The new family holiday where we just dropped the pretenses and get it out of the way. Fuck used giving because aunt Kathy is just a shitty person. And now the scathing atheist. I it's Thursday. It's November 25th. And if anyone at your Thanksgiving dinner defense Kyle rittenhouse, it's legal for you to murder that. That's the law. It's a threatening when they do that. Yeah, I'm no illusions. Eli bosnic. Heathen right. I'm gonna add one more vote. And from Bill O'Reilly's New Jersey and arbor Michigan and white cross Georgia, this is the skating advice. Oh, this week's episode, there are worst times to be an atheist, but not by much. The best Thanksgiving food is stuffing and the rest of you are absolutely wrong. And we'll watch a cartoon about people dying en masse from starvation. But first, the diatribe. I hope it's about stuff. What
Man vs the Holy Ghost's Influence With Justin Combs
"Special guest is returning guests theologian and podcast justin combs. Welcome back to the show justin. All right thanks michael. Glad to be back round to round two exactly. How many make it this far. I last time we left off on a sad note depressing. Though we'll we'll get back to all that fun. But i we left on prayer and i wanted to touch on a few things just before we got back to the prayer shirt so more basic stuff like you know. What is the bible to you. I don't know if we tackle that last time. I didn't write it down. So what does the bible to you. I mean they got a lot of things in there that are. Yeah yeah. I mean it's so it's a lot of stuff to me. I mean i can come at it from like faith. Perspectives scholarly perspective literary perspective. And i guess like from the faith perspectives. Go like i believe. It's the inspired word of god. Now what is what. Do i mean when i got into that a little bit last time just kind of like probably maybe maybe a good way to put it like human experiences of the divine dieted sometimes more sometimes less by the holy spirit but it is human experiences Put down okay. Let's go off of that experiences. Put down human experiences interacting with this deity correct. Okay may maybe two more explicit or less explicit extent depending on which text you're looking at within the thome
More Questions Than Answers With Paul Beam
"Today. Special guests founder of man camp true north organization in the host of the true north man. Podcast paul beam. Welcome to the show. Paul that glad to be here. Michael things are happening brother. Thanks for being on. Thanks for taking the time. So tell us a little bit about your Your show your organization little just a brief history on what it is and what you do sir. Yes so turn. North man exists. To help man experience freedom of fulfillment by tapping more into their identity in their purpose Really helping them figure out what direction that is. They would like take regardless of fulfilling their purpose. Man camp is one of our bents. We hosted two weekend events and that is kind of where we just start spread in the circus if you will of really walk through a process kinda helps them Dive into vision. Identity and purpose for life As far themselves small town texas boy here in a little town called bertram in middle of central texas and the so as far as Started man cap in two thousand fifteen out here. In the middle of central texas town called weren't twelve acres and since then we have. We have moved into another small town called mullin texas where we have thirty two makers now and so we. We started with the twelfth fifteen guys. At our first event we now cap it at one hundred thirty men at each of our bits.
Separation and Harmony With Garrett Vandenberg pt3
"They special guest is returning guests. Garrett vandenburg welcome back to the show. It's could be back man. I'm happy to be chatting here again. Absolutely it's great having to back good seeing hope. Everything's been all right today. We just kind of want to start off with. Let's describe the the dvd that garrett believes it the deity that i believe. Well i mean so we. We use the word god to talk about to talk about something but i think the problem is i a lot of people. Get kind of when they think problems. A lot of people can get into when when the the atheist christian dialogue about this is that usually like i look at the conversation that sam harris or look at any of those guys in kind of the the. There's like a great four horsemen of the apocalypse. Right there was docking hitchens harris and lawrence. Krauss i think guys. It's always the case that the god that they're arguing doesn't exist doesn't exist like i usually agree with these guys when they disproved the existence of particular. God that's because they're they're quantifying a particular thing they're saying. Well you know if these are the features of our of god exactly then well that that's not real. Yeah there's there's something i mean. This this is a problem is a really philosophical problem though. Because as soon as i described the very specific features of you more me you can push that description to a limit and then you can say not see that that person you're talking about they don't really exist because you just described them wrong. That's that that there's there's a logical contradiction in what the way in thing you just described
Chasing a Feeling With Justin Combs
"First off. Thanks for joining us today tony. It's an honor to have you on the show. Yeah no problem thanks. I appreciate your time. Absolutely man thanks for joining us. So how long have you been talking with. Y'all way well. I don't know probably every two three years. We had a bit of a break a dog eighteen months ago. Heard then God soul fits resurrect me. He was he was a bit bored. So yeah it's a two and a half three years. Is the question nice. And how did it begin. Like how did he introduce himself to. It's quite a stressful situation. I was actually set to get a promotion at work and monogamous ended up getting the promotion. Remember my work. Phone was ringing in my pocket. And a look down. And it said i'll for it was from. Hr and there like congratulations to. I'm not going to say his name to sound. So he's got the promotion and all sorts. Just i was mortified. Dropped on knees and in in this car park in the funding. And i'm like why god why voice sets me. Sales figures a low and you call rights very good and the conversation continued from their earlier. Felt compelled to hold to account on a unspecified. Biweekly podcast this. About twenty minutes long. Because i think people need to know what wise thinking what why while stuff's happening is is made in created
Civil Discourse With Kyle Silva
"Right so today's special guest is kyle silva welcome to the show. Kyle thanks for coming on. Thanks for taking the time. I appreciate it man so we started connecting through twitter. I started posting stuff used responding and we kinda went forward. And i said you know what this is just way too much to respond to. Let's have a conversation and here we are. Thanks for having me on absolutely absolutely all right. So i think we're gonna talk about refresh my memory for my understanding. We're against us down wrong. God's law Specifically always law the. Yes so the bible says the law is perfect. Holy righteous and good. Is that something you agree with for sure you know. I think he's looking. Jesus said in boca mark you know. He said that. Lock was kinda summed up in love for god and love for neighbor so yes i would say it is yet so those laws as far as love. God love your neighbor. That's it or the six hundred and fourteen some laws in the old testament. I would say that all the laws fall under that. Banner all of god. They've kinda summed up and those interesting interesting so let's start with the The one in numbers where we pick up on we pick up sticks and we get stoned to death. Is that something be fine. Perfect so so. Yes i would say it is right from gad is law or if it starts over the first logged right that mentioned Forgot right so guy saying when you do this saying you're not you're not loving jesus said in the new testament if you love me you obey my commands right. The loves those about action not listen feeling and so when we do something that god commanded not to do that would be unloving of us and as a yes so advertisement is guess what he considers unloving sinful.
I Wouldn't Put That in the Bible With Jimmy Dodd
"Today. Special guest is the ceo and founder of pastor. Serve jimmy don. Welcome to the show. Jimmy thank you. Michael great to be on with you fantastic. Thanks for taking the time So tell us a little bit about this. Pastor serve why it started it. What's it about brief briefly. Yeah pastured for just about twenty years and got to pasture in chicago. Boston south carolina kansas city and I was at a church that i started in nineteen ninety-two that was going very well and You would come to the church and you would say yeah. Everything looks good and You know it's just a good front stage in good upfront. Stop and good children's ministry good youth ministry and you'd say everything looks good but michael. The reality was was that i. I was an absolute mess and the absolute mess was. I just had a huge fear and the fear was if you really knew me you know what you wouldn't like me and so just doing my power to hide and deposed and pretend and i learned very quickly that it's exhausting to go through life friendly. You just really pretending that you're better than you are and man. I was emotionally spiritually physically mentally exhausted. Because i was just pretending. Because i had that fear of man if i tell you what i struggle with if i tell you about my fantasy life if i tell you about my greed and my jealousy and envy. I'm if you knew the depth of broken us of my life you would not want to be my friend
The Last Straw With Paul Burns
"Today. Special guest is paul burns. Part to welcome back. Paul so glad to see him in about two of the trilogy all know. Maybe maybe we'll just have you come on wilson month twice a month. I don't know you're a lot of fun. Poll i do enjoy my conversations with you co so. Where did we leave off. Well actually i know where we left off. Where would you like to go this time. What specifically would you like to talk about. All what i think. Start with why. Why become artist becoming eighties. You get a little bit of a home in the background. There is their gear. Pips allen i i've got your mind on my what what if i try try. This strategy now like cope. There is much better coat. Also it's a whole new world. Thanks i appreciate that. So what was the question again. Sorry go ahead supplies. suppose why. why become white. Why become an atheist. Why become an eight pitch law on looking for us some good evidence or some sort of good profile some some good arguments or reasons to become an atheist. And that's exactly paul. I am still waiting for good evidence. Good anything that will convince argument. That will convince me that. Christianity is true that buddhism is that that that hinduism is true. That islam is true. I'm still waiting for a good argument. Something that convinces me. So i guess rate turns it right back around. Is what convinced you paul. Was it something that i can be convinced with to help me own understand. You know what. I'm i'm just waiting for For good evidence to become an atheist. Because i just don't have enough faith but unite the
If I Had Jesus Powers With Gary Thomas
"Today. Special guest is pastor speaker and author. Gary thomas welcome to the show. Gary glad to be here. Thank you thanks for taking the time. Does a little bit about what you do. I know you've been a pastor for quite a while you've written a few books Quite a long list there but give us a brief introduction to gary is and what he does. Well i've always wanted to be a writer. Michael in large part because i'm uniquely limited in my skill set are very cute things. Anybody would pay me to do And so i'm glad the writing worked out. So i'd been a self employed writer for fifteen years and then a church in houston texas. Pretty large church said we'd like you to come during the teaching team. And so i'm still writing books and travelling but then for glass decade been working in houston At a church on the teaching team so still riding. That's kind of been my life. Writing is a blast. I love book behind you there. It's my first one. I love writing out. It's it's definitely a passion for sure. So let's get into. What's your favorite book you it you wrote written. I'm that's kind of like asking. Who's your favorite child. I mean in one sense sacred marriage made it possible for me to keep riding sold over a million copies so it just it just creates a level of comfort. So you can keep doing what you wanna do. sacred pathways ditz. A lot of attention. Because it deals with the different ways that we connect with god and So it's it's really become beloved by some just because it helps blow part. The one size fits all spirituality. It we all pray the same way or relate to god in the same way
Filling in the Gaps With Elmo Jr.
"Special guest is. The host of a podcast called elmo's world no not that elmo's world welcome to the show elmo junior. Hey man i'm happy until glad to be here and Thanks for inviting me on your absolutely. Thanks for taking the time. Way out there in Were you at philippines. The philippines living in the future man. So tell us a little bit about your show why it did it. What you do who've talked to anything. Yes so maestro is titled elmo's row podcast. I decided that name for because my name is is actually elmo and People have relate you know compared me to the to the the puppet l. never heard of it. Yeah glad to hear that. Yeah but of course. I want to make a brand for myself. That would you know like sort of the against that. And so and i started this and decided to make a podcast. It's i actually watch Rogan back in june. I decided hey you know he what he does is really cold because he just off some people indicating like so many tired he kinds of people from different political spectrums religious or philosophical background. Or whatever you know. And i wanted to be able to do that. And at least get and find an excuse way but it's audited for. Yeah i started it. August and continually continuously in and Monstrously proceeded with just asking to go on my show going for our or maybe sometimes two hours of conversation
Buddhism and Atheism With Ajahn Brahmavamso
"But this evening's talk. I'm going to be talking about a subject. i hope i never thought about before. That's unlikely sings. I've been speaking here for over twenty years and it's come up in the newspapers recently and Few people have been discussing this on the email because apparently just before easter time there was an atheist conference over in sydney and that really upsets some people in the churches in sydney and because they were talking about eighty s and it affects them. Bickers is put this an atheist religion. Does it believe in god. If it doesn't why does support his position about this and so the first part of this talk no maybe just a bit of information about the stand on a garden some interesting things which many of you may not know for the most important part of this talk is That actually as far as buddhism is concerned is better reform does not believe in a supernatural being because there some very very grave consequences such a belief in your ordinary lives. I'm going to put this view and pointed point out that actually that you can become a wiser more compassionate person without such beliefs which sometimes obstruct no one's feeling of what's right and what's compassionate. Bullets go from the very beginning. Sometimes people ask is put some an atheist religion. What is a buddhist. Take on a guard but i vote is to go to the ancient scriptures twenty five hundred years ago when the border was around and of course you mentioned just the idea of god was very common at that time as far as the buddha was concerned. It wasn't just a theory but because of these great house which you can get through meditation you understand how the universe works.
Roles and Mercy With Marty Langlois
"Today. Special guest is christian. Women's health coach marty lang loy. Welcome to the show. Marty thank you. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for taking the time so tell us a little bit about yourself what you do. I am a christian woman. Health coach and i helped moms dizzy. Women lose weight through self care in the focal points. I have in my mission in mothers news or focusing on areas of food fitness and fund. Those are all important for ups love f words in their appropriate of ford family friendly mission friendly. Yeah interesting so the faith part what. How does that play. Well my Face background as an emergency of catholic. We we have this focal point of the theology of the body. Were we talk about value of that body. From genesis of god creating us in his image and life news To include even jesus himself being god in man he was a human so the value of the human person and our bodies as we can Read throw out all kinds of scripture verses about taking care of the temple and all of that Is where that comes into play hum in its starts with having that foundation increased. 'cause we see all these diet fads and all these things celebrities are doing and they have these two week plans that while you're going to get a two weeks worth of results and it's gonna last for the two weeks as opposed to something that can be more permanent
Fight or Flight With Garrett Vandenberg
"Special guest host of the this could be interesting show garrett vanderberg van vandenberg. That's how you say right right. Vandenberg invention welcome to the show here. It be him in. Thanks for coming on taking the time watch. Tell us a little bit about what you do. Well you mean with the show or in real life in the show. Yeah so this could be interesting as a project. I just started this year Kind of out of frustration with the sorts of conversations. I noticed going on. I guess i noticed. Because i was kind of pointing at other people but i started to realize okay. This is the problem in metoo. I think in general and again. I can't speak for the world but i can speak for myself and say i think i am getting worse than having conversations with people income jumping to conclusions in and i'm getting more more quickly jumping into a fighter flight mode than i should be. This is a problem i i. I don't like this behavior in me. And i don't like it and other people what what can i do about this so i mean i guess the best solution i could come up with was just a practice. So essentially the show is an opportunity a space for me to go in and talk to people specifically people who see the world differently than me and just practice getting through those moments of tension and
Back to Jesus With Kristin Ostrander
"Today's special guest is author speaker. Podcast or kristen strandard to the show. Hi thanks for having me. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for taking the time So tell us a little bit about first of all what you do. I am kristen steiner. I am the host of the amazon files. Podcast and the owner and founder of mommy income dot com. I teach people to start and grow ecommerce businesses online. That sounds like a lot of fun and a lot of work. Yeah both pretty busy How many kids you. I have three kids. One two grown in one. Still in the nasty. We've got a twenty year old one. That's graduating this year at eighteen and then the youngest is ten and a half fun man. I keep you busy. That's for sure on top of everything else you're doing. Yeah that could be a whole episode about raising grown children and what that's like right. Good nece kids in general so As far as the the the religious aspect of of kristen what are your you. Would you describe the christian beliefs. Would you call yourself a christian. Absolutely s awesome. So why would you take on that title. What what is it about the christianity that you accept. I am a follower and believer of jesus. I believe in the gospel. I believe that it's All his doing. And none of mind and i have a purpose in a plan in life to follow that calling and to spread the good news to others that there is hope and help beyond this life. Open help beyond this life and what. What does the bible to you. The bible is the word of god. The bible is a sharper than any two edged sword. I can i use it against it. Right the bible is guidebook. That guy bill bible is the answer. It is my hope and my help. It is the source of wisdom the source of all instructions for humanity.
Weekend at Bernie's With Jonathan Merritt
"Today. Special guest is author of several critically acclaimed books including learning to speak god from scratch. Jonathan merritt welcome to the show. Jonathan all my gosh. It's my pleasure to be here. Thank you so much for having me on appreciate it man. Taking the time out from your busy days and new york over there. Yeah yeah for sure so tell us a little bit about this book. Learning to speak gone from scratch. How does that work. Well you know. I started writing this book. When i moved from atlanta to new york city actually and i found that it was a lot more difficult in a new setting to have spiritual conversations to use sacred language. Sacred words That other people were unfamiliar with. And so i began to sort of wonder. I think what a lot of people wonder whether it's better to just avoid this kind of conversation In in mixed company or weather in some way These words these. These conversations were beautiful and beneficial and and worth reviving. And that's really what let's started the exploration that became this book Interesting so spiritual conversations. What do you mean by spiritual conversations. you know. it's a big. It's a big broad term What does it mean to have a spiritual or religious conversation for most people. I think they would say it's a conversation about god
The Bible Is Offensive With Andrew Fouts
"Today. Special guest is director of digital resources and church planter over art c. r. m. will explain that in a minute andrew fouts welcome to the show andrew. Thanks for having me. Thanks for taking the time so explain a little bit. About what c. R. m. is and what does he church planter do. Apparently you have an old title. Is i haven't done the church planning seen in a while. But yes r. m. c. as the association of church sports and recreation ministries We are an international para church ministry. So we are not actually associated with any churches but Go come in alongside churches to help them develop Sports recreation and fitness ministries. And what i do specifically is i'm in charge of digital resourcing. So i d this podcasting Video editing We we produce. We've got a publishing house that produces some books. We've got a video production house The i'm i kind of him. Second in command of as the associate producer where we produce training videos We produce some online courses online classes. means like that and then We just started a podcast network. Last january is when we launched it. We've been working on it for about a year now while Where i produce all of the podcasts. And i so i produced five different or four current ones one of them. I co host one of them. And then we've got two more pre-production so we wow he busy for sure. But crm yeah crm just comes on site churches and helps them. Train leaders helps them find out what facilities they already have in maximize the space that they have to do. Like basketball leagues You've got some churches that do karate taekwondo. We've got churches that we've helped with that built. discourses Things like that. So we we come alongside and train and help them. And we've got guys all across the world we met including some people. We can't even talk about for security reasons.
Your Own Personal Jesus With Onyx Keesha, Actress,
"Today. Special guest is author actress. Director and producer onyx. Kisha the show on ix. I'll and still happy to be here. Thanks for coming on appreciate your time so tell us a little bit about the work you do and why you do it. Oh for sure. Well i truly believe that my art is my activism and. I think that it's very important that we attempt to blur the lines that divide us I feel like when you can connect to the heart in the heart of someone. Then those differences are not as pronounced You know humanity connecting to one. Another is just really a beautiful thing in for me. I like to do that through art through theater through film absolutely. Yeah i totally agree. I think art can be activism hundred percent. I guess this is kind of an artful show. I guess podcast is an art form. So that's my own little forum. I guess humanity connecting one hundred percent agree that just speaks to my humanism beneficial if we all stick together by on all that love it. I love it So you've done. Most of your stuff is based off of The christian perspective correct. Well a great deal of i you know. I'll never forget how to do this. Panel on time and i will ask this question. Like how did you release a movie about church in then erotica movie on and you know i just really explain my stance that You know if you are a believer then you must know that god is there. Even when you're making love will win. We try to separate it when we try to erase. Our human experience are truly on a spiritual journey But a lot of my work is definitely based I do have a great deal of faith based work as well.
Pointless Miracles with Michael Zwaagstra
"Today we have returning guests michael's wag stra author of the naked man flees. Welcome back to the show. Michael well thank you very much. It's a pleasure to be back with you. And i'm looking forward to part two of our discussion. Not many make it to the part to man. I thank you for coming back. I appreciate it. Oh you're welcome that's I think it's good to have the types of discussions and to W- there's far too many people whatever side of the issue you're on it's so easy to stay within her own little bubbles and where it's safe and we just affirmed by people all the time we all spend more time talking to people who have different opinions and challenge ourselves absolutely totally agree. And that's why we're here today so last time we left off. Oh actually this time. We're gonna talk about a little bit more about your book. Chapter twenty four twenty five and forty. But before we get there. We left off with gideon. And i kind of wanted to touch base with that story for a minute. That's okay not a problem. So gideon tested yala with the fleece on the ground to see if it was to be wet and whatnot. Malachi tested y'all way as well romans twelve to y'all we want you to test him but that kind of contradicts matthew. Four seven deuteronomy six sixteen. Which tells you do not test do not put the lord god to the test. I see this as a contradiction. How do you see this. Well i i would see it differently. And i think it's important for us to talk about getting. We need to put his story in context and historic can be found in judges chapter six in. It actually goes on for several chapters The israelites in this case are oppressed by million. And god has directly called gideon to lead the israelites out of oppression to lead to leave to victory. god has guaranteed victory to get in. He does so explicitly early on in chapter six
Curveballs With Bob Searle
"Today. Special guest is former pastor an army chaplain and the author of journey into wholeness bob. Searle welcome to the show. Bob thank you so much michael. Thank you to privileged beyond today. So is this your first podcast bob. This is what i had I had one on last wednesday Pastor bob on a podcast so So this is this is actually my second one. Well how fun. I'm so excited to have you bob. So i kinda wanted to just briefly. Have you explain your book to us. And then we'll jump into the questions from their sound. Good very good very good. So i wrote this back in nineteen ninety eight one thousand nine hundred ninety not intending to be a book at all. i was doing a clinical education residency at university medical center and one of the things. They're after twenty years of ministry. I thought it'd be a good idea to go back and continue redefined my tools but also to reflect upon nice spiritual experiences and the various Streams of of Spirituality that had had really influenced me so spent a time And our final project. I wrap this up into a final project and wrote Journey into wholeness. At the time i didn't have that name at all and so i completed the the work and resumed my pastor ministry. I'm vhs and all of the candidate would be a and Meera cole pas who worked at the center of excellence the candidate was very interested. In chaplaincies spirituality faith and suicide idea
The Naked Man Flees With Michael Zwaagstra
"Today. Special guest is author of the naked man flees michael's wag stra welcome to the show. Michael well thank you very much mike. It's a pleasure to be with. You appreciate you being on taking the time. So let's let's hear a little bit about that book. Naked man flees naked man flees while the the full book title. Is the man. Fli es timeless truths from obscure parts of the bible and seek to do in the book is to highlight forty obscure passages passages in the bible that christians and non christians alike ten dimiss With the bible and passages the tend not to have a lot of servants preached about them and to take a closer look at what these passages say in What possible meeting they might have to today. i've taught In addition to teaching public high school. I also teach a part time basis at stop five college. Which is our our local bible college here in steinbeck manitoba and i've found that You can never assume that christians know their bibles really well But a lot. Don't and i i know that on your show. One of the things that you say at the end is that you encourage people to pick up their bibles and read them and i agree. People should pick up the bible and actually read it because otherwise you're gonna miss a lot of important stuff that's in there actually. Yeah there's a lot of stuff in there. It's pretty interesting for sure. Chapter two for instance you talk about one of my favorite will if it's my favorite but it's definitely one of the stories that are in there The the moses and y'all we meeting them at the lodging place and he's about to kill him mad. That is such a strange story. It makes a stranger because it's just kind of thrown in there you know you're you're reading the story then all of a sudden this happens and it goes right back to where left off so it's yeah it's it's a strange one and it's one that a lot of people A lot of christians miss and one of the reasons that we miss it is that it doesn't make it into any of the popular movies. It's not in charlton. Heston the ten commandments does make it into prince of egypt and the exact. Yeah go figure. I'll read the la read. The exact passage is chapter four versus twenty four to twenty six at a lodging place on the way the lord met him. That's moses and sought to put him to death then sapporo took a flint and cut off her son's foreskin. Touched moses beat with it and said surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me. So he left him alone It was then that she said a bridegroom of blood because of the circumcision.
Republican Congressman vs. David C. Smalley
"Let's jump straight in. Because i want to bring our guest in on the conversation immediately. He's a former congressman from virginia's fifth district he's now nc are is chief strategist and author of bigfoot. It's complicated which. I really hope we have time to get into and i really hope. He's still a republican. Let's find out join me in welcoming denver riggleman to the show. Thanks for joining me today. Sir thanks for having me sir. Oh well you heard that with us for the first time it just came out moments ago. What are your thoughts. So i'd like to state as we start here. The president trump reid tweeted a few months ago that the joe biden. Kill seal team six. I think god you're right. No you know. That's and that's what i was when i was listening to that speech after what i heard Down near the white house right before the siege on the capital. In fact that i've been in. Congress have been in the house. And i knew some of those people that spoke like madison call or mo brooks of talked to many times Don jr. meant obviously rudy giuliani I've met obviously and and what i really saw. Their david was absolute Language to incite really. It happened over the months and months and to hear that right now. My my first reaction is not really a politician but as an intelligence officer and something counter-terrorism like somebody's very afraid of the senate trial for impeachment. I thought the same thing Michael came in a few seconds in michael goes. Looks like a hostage video like he looks like he like. It's not really his words. He just feels the need to say these things he had to. I mean you know. The thing is is that his his term does end. I know that there are some people that are still listening to pastures and trucks talking about biblical prophecy that president trump is right now hidden a bunker and mike. Flynn is going to be the next vice president but by the way that's true. I just saw this video two days ago. One hundred eighty five thousand likes david on a facebook video from some dude in a truck saying that you know he's a pastor and had biblical prophecy and he just went through the whole cunanan thing and i just shaking my head about the ridiculousness out there. But he still wants to keep his brand to. He's got to make money. And how's he going to do that. And i think there's a lot of things you need to worry about. And that speech was the copa. That was so too late and show not anything that he said before that very hard to believe men. You're spot on. I mean. I i you know about damn time is the first reaction and then does he even believe the stuff he's saying is the second reaction So late you know so late to the party So that so that my listeners have a little bit background as to why this conversation between the two of us is so important You know you're you're only a former congressman because apparently you weren't conservative enough for your district right you. You lost to someone who was far more conservative and on top of that. I've seen you. I've seen pictures. Anyway of you officiating. Same sex wedding so you don't sound very republican the to us sir. What's going what's going on over there. Why are you so open minded and logical. You know when iran. You know. i've only been. I don't know people know this about me. I was i was a ceo. sell my company in two thousand twelve doing counterterrorism and counterintelligence work. Could you know not. Only that i can. I can go back in time. If i told you the crazy stuff. I've done like we mission plan. The first bombing runs death in afghanistan for nine eleven. that was our squadron. It was me Oman training omanis on. F16 sixteen operations in two thousand and ninety nine. I was on. The romanian serbian border for operation. Allied for trying to stop ethnic cleansing. I've had a hell of a life and that's just the beginning counter idea. Actually our team that was tracking sulejmani and two thousand six two thousand seven so when people saw my resume like this son of a gun never been in politics before when i ran as a republican i was asked to because the my predecessor had to resign because of alcoholism. Which is a little ironic. Since i'm going to stiller. I one on accident one by one. Vote against a christian. Dominion est They called me a baby killing sodomite But i thought if if practicality and i was a good guy team player like in my military days voted independently when i had to I thought i would see that. I care about people more than the career. Because i didn't need the paycheck and sadly after the same sex wedding david conspiracy theory started about me that i was working for soros to turn children into alternative lifestyles by funding schools. To teach that doug gay sex was okay. And that i really started saying cunanan was turning and blossom and this was back in twenty nineteen and since my background is in you tracking isis and al qaeda and disinformation and radicals. I said this also looks like that. We have almost the same type of thing here. We have people that are using language of dehumanisation and antisemitic. Tropes to go after people. And you know it's like a lot my book right. It's about bigfoot belief systems and take over people's lives so really been a hell of a time for me. I never thought that My family we get death threats You know i never you know. I never thought that. I can tell you this. Now that somebody would remove the lug nuts are in them all up on my right front tire at a rally where i came out and felt funny and took it to a shop and look like they tried to hurt me pretty bad so this has been one of my life has been like for the past two years david. And guess what athem you know. This is what they want to bring it. Bring it because i got fifty acres of distillery and i'm a second amendment guy and but i'm also a free thinker and pretty socially libertarian. So i don't know where. I fit bud
Testimony Under Duress with Brian McLaren
"Today. Special guest is the author of faith after doubt brian mclaren. Welcome to the show. Thanks great to be with you. Michael appreciate you coming on and sending me the book that's awesome. I always love getting books from the gas. Really fun the honest with you. Though man i was a little disappointed. There was no No autograph for you know. We'll have to try to remedy. That somehow awesome good. I like those special notes that they send me. Those are fun so does a little bit about your book. Well i was a pastor for twenty years and my life as a pastor. I had so many folks come to me over the years with their questions and doubts and things that just didn't make sense and Sometimes their questions really sort of the united my own questions and So i've always been interested about the intersection of pay out. Especially i grew up in a super conservative religious background. Where it wasn't real. You know ask asking questions and acknowledging that weren't really allowed so I left the past some years ago. And i i still speak primarily to pass pastors and i would say that hardly a week goes by where i don't hear from several people who tell me their pace falling apart or you're having serious doubts about this or that element of it and it's surprising how many clergy are also in that situation. So all that interesting together to say this is. This is something. I've been struggling with for a long time and Maybe something. I could help others with interesting. So do you think it's it's a good thing to doubt. Let's put it this way. It's a bad thing to just believe something because somebody else told you. You have two more threaten you with some punishment. If you didn't say that you believe honesty's important and stout important on a doubt in and of itself won't get us to where we need to go but faith without any doubt. is I think it's pretty dangerous. It among other things it sets us up to be exploited. It sets us up to the Ripped off by con artists because then con con artists. Were they they tell us to believe what they say and put son has been where Where we end up being manipulated manipulated by our ninety faith. Yeah scary stuff. A lot of cutler's out there and get you in you know you just go follow the group. Whatever the group does here drink this cool eight. It'll be great. do what what. What's a little scary is those kinds of Those kinds of connor artists exist in the world of religion and in the world of business and in the world of politics there hammer. unfortunately religious communities can easily become aggregate For people who want to believe and and then they become aggravates for people who can be manipulated. So that's why. I think it's important to help Christians and people of other religions well but for me as a christian especially how christians and especially i have a soft spot in my heart for pastors. Since i was one for so long to help passed a better job on helping people honest with their questions and doubts interesting. Kinda wanna go back to something. You said there for a minute. You said punishment if they don't say that they believe it. So do you. Do you find that if if if you don't believe something a punishment for not believing that is wrong or shouldn't be done a well. Maybe i maybe. I can explain it like this. I'm one of the things. I wanna the insights really that became clear from within. The book is how faith isn't just an individual. Aw an individual experience and doubt is not just an individual experience but because we belong to communities that are often bound together by agreements to certain creeds doctrinal statements or agrees that our social life is really wrapped up our doubts as well and And so what we end up experiencing a lot of its experience is that were part of a group and we just raise an honest sincere question and then people realize this is a question that our group is not allowed to ask and so The punishment might being new won't be allowed to be a small group leader anymore. Because we don't trust you anymore because you admitted that you have this question now. Probably a lot of other people that question through but they just hadn't admitted it or it could even go farther where people are at the face the possibility of excommunication and and there's not just the theological dimension that but that often means separation from family and friends. I in the beginning book. I tell the story the young man who came to see me he was a pastor. He he dared to question what most of us would consider an extremely esoteric doctrine of his little church and And he was kicked out and among the people who kick about were his parents and his gra- one grandparents so you can imagine how devastated.
The Great Commission with Tyler St. Clair
"Special guest is the lead pastor at the cornerstone church in detroit. Scho- tyler sinclair. Hey how you guys doing. Glad to have yawn man. Thanks for taking time out of your busy schedule in having the conversation appreciate it. My pleasure. Mock leisure well today. We decided to discuss the great commission. But i like to get to know a little bit more about you. Tell us a little bit about your scherf. I'm gonna give you the long and short of my journey. Yeah i'm born born and raised in detroit michigan. I grew up Grew up at a situation that we It's pretty common Single parents and the In the city and struggled and ran the streets and the very similar story a lot of people That are ministry six to reach In the city of detroit but I born and raised in church. But i decided at the age of eighteen and my infinite wisdom that i was done with god. Donald church didn't want when have anything to do with this Beings that i thought was irrelevant in my life and Yeah whitten On my birthday when got got got a tattoo and decided that I'm done One one year later one year later. I'm asking jesus To say before for my fans and surrender my life to the lord. Jesus so what. A difference. A year year makes so they age of nineteen. I surrendered to christ and What what struck me was My church experience was Church with the destination church. Which is the place that people came. I thought it was just a social thing. I thought it was just something that people came and did and got their religious goods and services and when i began to read scripture sure I saw that there was. There should be an urgency behind the church that there should be a zeal and the desire to see people come to know and follow jesus and to see people From the wrath. Adjustment of god. So i think i for this is this is different. What i'm when i'm reading a scripture is different from what i'm seeing and what i'm experiencing and So i i got saved In september of two thousand and one in december just a few months. Later i was telling my pastor that i feel called to ministry they nineteen years old and everyone thought i was insane And i felt insane. But i knew that This burden at the lower had put on my heart with something. I couldn't took away until i got older Like i experienced Life transformation through the gospel. Jesus and i wanted that for everyone that i came in contact with since since nineteen. I have been Like old thanks for say running for jesus and it's been a wild ride and i've just seen so much of the lord's grace In the last twenty something years of kind of know about this tattoo was it. Like i'm done with you. Got a tattoo like it was it was it was. It was just my my my Rebellion me sticking my flag in the ground. I i gotta i gotta t and then. After i became a christian. I change the ten talk cross. Of course so how convenience. It was just This was hey I'm outwardly a rebellion. I'm choosing a life without you And that was a sign of that but Thank god his grace. He's gracious in carnegie and he caught me to himself and save me from myself so college. The tuesday curious the great commission. Let's let's start that matthew twenty eight we've got the great commission eighteen through twenty Mark fifteen sixteen says the same thing. the message basically is go out and preach my work Why do you think it is that you're the one that's supposed to do this. So i love the great commission. And it's been a passes that i've referred to when and and and and basically human oriented my life around this great commission and the part that i think we often overlook is The beginning part. Before right before get right. Before jesus gives the great commission inverse eighteen Verse eighteen matthew twenty aching and jesus Came and said to them. All authority in heaven and earth has been given to me so jesus is making. That's a very big weighty statement. All of the all authority in the entire universe has been given to me
Christian Debate Champion vs. David C. Smalley
"My guest today is really going to take me back to a debate. I had A few months ago with randall. Rouser known as the tentative apologised where we talked about is is it rational to believe in christianity order the christian faith. Rational and. I'm excited to have him today. So please join me. In welcoming cooper right here to the podcast he cooper. Thanks for joining me today. Thank you david for having me on so in the pre show you were telling me you actually heard that debate that i had with randall right. Yeah so i was a little frustrated by both of our performances. In that debate to be honest with you felt like we kept talking past one another. I didn't feel like i was able to get my point across. He kept sort of the thing with randall. And i like him by the way. We follow each other on twitter. We share a lot of the same political views. I like randall. But being in like a match with him or some sort of discussion like that specifically some sort of formal debate. He tends to want to be the wrath. While he's fighting and throw a bunch of flags and say that i'm committing fallacy and a fallacy of rather than dealing with the actual discussion. And i i find that frustrating. Sometimes and i felt like. That's what kept happening. He kept telling me that. I was arguing for something. I wasn't arguing for. He wasn't really adhering to rappaport rules and it was it like an uphill battle to me but What did you think of the discussion david. I'll tell you one of the sympathies. Have with a lot of debate. Is one of the things that i met can be. Frustrating about debating is is. They often like to have very elaborate answers to a question that should have a pretty simple response whether that be a yes or no question or something that that is more directly related to the question you asked instead. They might have a habit of where they wanna about something else. So it can circle to something different. So i i kinda saw some of that going on debate. Which is where. I kinda sympathize with your position. Navigating that Of course you know. I do like randall as well I think he has some phenomenal ideas But i i understand why you probably would have been frustrated by some of that debate. I think my biggest thing. And if i were talking to him by the way i would say the same thing so i'm not you know. This is all public eye problem. Saying what i would say to randall but In fact i was getting ready to do a charity. Thing and randall jumped all over in wanted to be a part of it was going to help me raise money for someone. He's he's an absolutely one. Forgot that the thing that the curveball. I couldn't get around. Seemed to be that i kept saying. The belief itself is an irrational belief. Because it's never happened before know dead people. Don't come back to live and die if you have faith. That's fine say it's on faith but to say it's rational doesn't make sense. He would then say. You are calling christians irrational and i kept saying no no no. I think rational people can occasionally have things that they believe. That are irrational. Without making the person as a whole an irrational person they they with rationality day in and day out. They walked to their cars. They put their key in their door before they open. They don't just repeatedly tried to walk through it and say something's wrong with my door. They use rationality all the time. And i felt like he was trying to make. It seem as though i was attacking a people. When in fact i was just saying the idea itself doesn't follow basic logic and reason and i hope i made myself clear in that but from randall's responses in the moment that it didn't seem like i was successful in doing so. Yeah so on that particular issue when you look at. Is it rational to believe something whether or not someone is rational or irrational. Doesn't really matter what matters is the way they come to such belief rational And so you know. In that position out of argued why think a believing in a resurrection would be rational Or why come to that conclusion. Be rational in order to disprove the point. Okay so so so before before we get into that Tell us a little bit about you. What is your background. What is your denomination In in how how did you get involved with things like this. Like reaching out to even you know here an a podcast or to be an atheist speaks with believers like like. How did you find me. Are you a part of an apologetic ministry. Like what's your what your story so probably one of the more significant qualifiers for myself if you would is did collegiate. Debate didn't high school to for about five years. And i've won two national competitions in debate so my overall personality is one that likes to be a to likes to question who likes to discuss in. Who has an earnest desire to figure out what is true. And what's false. So you're you're in literal debate champion. Yes yes says. I've won two national titles as a as someone who did debate. Yeah
Progressive Influencer vs. David C. Smalley
"Today we're gonna talk with a content creator. I'm gonna kinda give you some behind the scenes of what goes on in creating content on multiple platforms but then we also have a little bit of a disagreement. And i want to dive into that too and again had those nuanced conversations that you've come to love as part of this podcast so without further ado let me go ahead and bring on the guest. Please join me in welcoming bun daddy to the podcast. It's look. I told you it was going to be cheesy applause. Remember i said that. i'm elliott. Yeah you're familiar. What i've been around. Yeah that's the podcast. That's you know for some reason. I've i space that for just a second and let me just so so let me. Just tell people how i found you. I i came across one of your videos on. Tiktok was life changing for me. it really was. It had a had a major impact on me and it was really empowering should say and then so i followed you on tiktok you have a huge following and it kept growing and kept growing up over six hundred thousand followers or something and at one point you went live and i joined your live and i heard you say oh david smalley just joined and i was like she knows who are you and how do you do and then we started. We started talking. And you're like is listen to the show. I devoured countless hours of the show and probably still scratch the surface because countless hours. Listen to one episode. that's you. I can count them usually about two or three but so how'd you remember how you found the podcast and was like a super long time ago. Yeah no it was. When i was. I had just had my deacon conversion experience from my christianity. And i was literally on whatever podcast app i was using. I searched different Buzzwords like atheism. And i there were a couple of different secular and search for dogma and yours came up as dogma debate back when it was dogma debate and i kind of like i thank my teeth into it because it was so it was ground level. It wasn't anything that i had to really have a lot of. You know like. I had understanding both sides of things but it was an unintimidated thing to approach as opposed to many other things that i had experiences right. That was that was kind of the goal. And that was the goal when i wrote my book to every atheist stuff. I found anything that was either atheist based or christian based or debate related. It was a lot of times. It was really intimidating. It was really. It was like richard dawkins level big words on top of big words on top of concepts on top of things. Like solipsism and methodological naturalism and part of me would just kind of glaze over and go. I don't i mean. I'm sure these aren't complicated subjects but it it didn't feel inviting and so i intentionally wrote my book in a way that would be inviting in and created my show to be the same way. So it's it's great to know that that that it did have that effect. Oh absolutely i mean it was definitely the first kind of it was the first big like involvement or investment. I had in anything in atheist community alongside a couple of other ones that i kind of pieced together and picked and pulled from different episodes of podcasts. But this was the one that i had playing over and over and over while i worked so cool brings a huge mall my face thank you for that. And it's it's kind of crazy because you know that had an impact on you. I'm honored i'm flattered him so glad that that happened and without even knowing that i found you and you had an impact on me in my personal life and so the fact that we were able to connect and now i've become friends is just just a wonderful sort of closing the full circle within the universe. it's it's really a beautiful thing and i have. I finally found the original video. I found of yours now. A lot of people out there may be thinking. Yeah i scroll through tiktok. Sometimes it's just a bunch of teenagers dancing and it's stupid. Unfortunately that is the case for a portion of the app. But that's there's so much more on tiktok. There are so many Political movements and you know people just inspiring each other and thought experiments and magic tricks and skills to learn if you want you use the app for a while. It starts to learn your behaviors in learn what you like and if you do the right things and like the right things it will guide you to really really good content and and. I'm glad that i did that. So i want to play the video that i that i found of yours. That made me a fan. Okay this is. This is deep stuff. And it's just so it's so insightful. And i feel like it. It's it's so palatable in a way that it is generic yet specific enough that if this is happening in someone's life they can definitely Apply it in the right areas that that's what's so great about it so i'm gonna play the message right now. He co q. something. I learned in boating school ak therapy and books. We've all heard people say you teach people how to treat you. And basically what that means is you are responsible in your relationships for establishing and enforcing boundaries that other people have to follow in order to maintain access to you. Those are really key distinction here. And that's the difference between responsibility and if a meteor lands on my car and decimates it. I'm not faults. I didn't do anything. But i'm still responsible for getting myself. New car or mode of transportation because taking responsibility is not the same as accepting blame and the same goes for relationships you are responsible for setting and enforcing your own boundaries. But you are not at fault for someone's actions overstepping those boundaries. You teach people how to treat you by taking on the responsibility of revoking access to you when they don't respect your boundaries. You don't teach people how to treat you by accepting fall for things that other people do.
Clean Slate with Todd Harrison
"Hello this is todd. how can you hear me. Okay i can. I can welcome back. Mr todd harrison. How you doing man. I'm doing good. How about you fantastic fantastic and all surviving staying indoors. Yeah good for you. Yeah that was blocked at netflix and amazon. Or sky man. Yeah amazon's doing real well to absolutely a generics anyway. So let's see here last time we talked. I don't even remember what we talked about. Maybe a little postles maybe a little bit of what you believe Let's just go ahead and start fresh like nothing ever happened. Because i can't remember the word of event sounds good to me. Why don't you go ahead and start off by giving giving us a brief description on why you are a christian at this point in time and how you got to it okay. Sure well. I grew up in in nominal church That was more littered surgical and then then alive and so when as a teenager. I just rejected it locked away. God was irrelevant to me I i i wouldn't say totally disbelieve. But i i can't say i believed in god can't and in fact i i did try. I tried hard to To not believe i. I went into science and university and You know as young person that has a huge effect on you because you kind of that We used to say tabula rasa. You're a blank page. So you kind of go into that. So in my particular university was was kind of radical so at some of the radicals that got kicked out of the states in the late sixties and early early seventies ended up in regina my home home university. Yes so i. i thought it was leaning to marxism. I got involved in transcendental transcendental meditation to kind deal with anxiety And i was a science majors. So i was definitely evolutionist All of those things. All of those things. And so i said to my girlfriend. One time i said. I said you know we're just we just animals. You know we live we dying and that's it it's over right. And so she just burst she just burst into tears in in cried for a while and so i decided not to bring that up again. So anyway We kind of had a long term relationship Actually a number of years five and it kind of came to a point where we had to do something about it and I entered. I went into education i entered. I did not have a good internship. I didn't know it at the time. But i'm adhd and there was no such diagnosis in those days. So so now. As i've been an educator for almost forty years but Apart from god that would never happen. But anyway. my internship. Your your You can't think linearly your executive functions are limited But you have a great imagination. So i used to start my homework about midnight. Eleven o'clock till four in the morning then go to school. So that wasn't a good pattern but anyway that's all. I got to university. But i i walked out. I went back for my last semester. And i i walked. I was there two weeks. And i said i'm done with this I was three months short of a double degree. And i just packed in and walked out and i took a job. I said i'm going to get a real job. And i took a job in a on a seismic crew. If you know what that is that's oil exploration and I was stationed in the arctic on an island in the arctic ocean called island. Yes so i kinda jumped out of the front pan into the fire and Yeah that was really interesting. Yeah so so. I flew up. I'd had a couple of friends who've done it before. And they told me what to wear. And so what the by. So i was prepared but i tell you the guy got off the plane and i saw those guys out there. The wind was blowing. It was like fifty below february. And they're out there unloading the plane. And i'm going my god. How can you work in the eight o'clock the next morning up there. It was actually. It was a good experience. I actually did two seasons but what did happen Gonna had my girlfriend got mad. Because i never discussed it with her so after five years i should have talked about it. She got mad and she moved out. She said well i'm gonna move to. Though she moved out to the west coast of vancouver island she was a nurse and she took a job nursing there so so our plan in money up north. She's gonna earn money there then. We're going to backpack europe. Because you know it's the seventy so. That's you
It's all a Setup with Ed Burdette
"Back with us for a second. Time is the host of the one year bible. Podcast ed burr debt. Welcome back to the show. Ed thank you so much. Glad you glad to be here again and greg you. Yeah thanks for coming back man. How's the podcast and the book doing anything new. I'll man it's It's continuing on what like the The new element of the podcast really is weekly episodes on fridays. Where i get to do a devotional about a different passage each week and so inch has kind of been like you know just looking at different angles at something and and Getting to get new perspectives and new insights and so that's just kind of continual discovery process for me that i really love. That sounds fun man. We do that on fridays. then i'd say it. Yeah yeah so there's a. There's a daily reading release so that seven days a week but then on friday we do special episode where we take section of that as reading and then we look at it a little bit more in depth and rather than being a straight up just reading of the bible. It's it's some looking into it and some analysis. That's always fine doing that. Yeah that's cool. Cool fun well. We left off last time. We were talking about All over the place where all over the place mainly liberal theism and non belief and whatnot. I think i kind of want to start off with. What are your thoughts on atheists on those not like me. Nonbelievers thoughts There's mean definitely met folks before who who share that That belief and i guess. I guess just kind of top of mind. I think globally Y'all are in a very small minority true and yeah so You know. That's that's kind of i thought and then i don't really have kinda broad impressions other than that Mostly just enjoy enjoy understanding. You know maybe someone something you know what a beliefs on holds about kind of like a case by case person by person you know just chatting with adnan and talking it over dry like we're doing now yeah exactly. Yeah for sure definitely. Do you do think that eighth east deserve punishment for their non-belief. Oh i mean. I think that when when You know i just think of the first couple of chapters of the book of romans and where we're paul laying out this. Hey like the structure of of the way that the world is made is such claims that you know everyone kind of has to go also to To understand things about god And so he he's kind of saying like you know the evidence is out there and and that we're all we're all presented with it In a way that they're you know there's something to that they're there what we're answerable for that What we've been given what we've been shown interesting referred to jeremiah. Thirty three three call to me. And i will answer you until you great and unsearchable things you do not know. So is that kind of you. Know five call to ya where he's already shown himself to me so therefore i deserve to be condemned because i've seen and i should have believed that point but i chose not to. Oh i mean. I understand the great and unsearchable things those would be. You know maybe related to some of the stuff that paul writes about in in that section of romans but but i mean those i think the great unsearchable things just might be Not necessarily related to the line of arguing of like. Hey you know. Why do i believe what i believe you know. Or what what basic beliefs do i have about reality. And the structure of the universe cosmos. I think that's more kind of like the the arena in which paul is making a making a case rather than like the jeremiah passage. That's how i read them. Gotcha so we've seen him as far as creation creation is enough for us to believe that y'all way specifically the one that did this. Oh i think it's Remember exactly what's written there in romans. But it's something you know basically like you know god's got divine nature and whose power. So how specific we could get from creation itself You know i'm not you know. I'm not totally sure about that. So his divine nature and power. This is something you believe that eighth me is an unbeliever that i've already witnessed in some sense. Yeah yeah. I think we've all witnessed it
"I remember being in first year university. And encountering feminism in a new way. I'd heard the mutterings of it around my home. My dad was deeply involved in feminist. And the intersection between mental health and the oppression of women and it was in my first year university that i started reading. Feminist writers reading about feminists thought and really starting to develop my own relationship with the movement. And i came across the work. Of course of the second wave feminists who were advocating largely for women's right to work outside the home and it was thrilled about this idea. That perhaps floored by it. That it had always been that way really starting to wake up to inequality and i remember having a conversation with my professor one of my professors who said. Don't you understand the limitation of that facet of the movement. Don't you understand that. Class and employment and race and socioeconomic status are all deeply woven into each other that disability capi separated that race can't be separated from this push for employment for women. And i remember feeling perhaps strack that i'd missed this and this professor went on to say you're missing something important about the work of equality. If you're missing that a community and entire community of people particularly black women were not advocating to work. Outside the home they had been forced to for generations in slavery and that they and their ancestors had been exploited. And so there's a. There's a discrepancy between the feminist movement. And this call to examine culture as it intersects with gender and that really blew openness identity for me of a more complex way of understanding. The person and oppression. I understand the privilege that i have in having to learn about that in a higher education context and what the limitations of that our for me and not having learned about it sooner but that really began my interest in reading woman's writers understanding a more complex way as i said of understanding the person but also of this movement towards liberation. So i wanna toss it to nikki. I'm i love to hear your thoughts on on woman. As what is women ism. That term might be familiar for a lot of our listeners. And foreign for some of them to can you tell us how you understand it and why it matters. Yes so When i think of woman ism i of it i contextualize it with feminism or put it next to feminism because feminism is an easy reference. Most of us know what that is happening idea of it or have Heard the term in may even have some feminist thou us Whether we acknowledge him or not. But whereas feminism tinge to Really just always compare itself. Compare women to men woman ism doesn't at all woman ism Is women loving women that is specifically in exactly what it is. It's about women's to other women specifically black women In our relationship to each other. And so when we're having conversations within women's on really addressing men we are not factoring them in really. They're not a part of the conversation. That's not to say that they're not important. Beings within society are within the family structure. Or you know whatever community where in but that's not what the conversation is about so you know will will talk about addressing the needs of the most disenfranchise most marginalized Oppressed person Woman ism will address a reproductive justice. woman is Is conversations about how we're caring for each other and how we're you know what we're doing within our communities To see to it that everyone is taking care of
WWJD with Shelby Seelinger
"Today. Special guest is the author of do what jesus would do. Welcome to the show. Shelby ceiling Welcome thank you for having me. I appreciate you being here. Appreciated it so tell us a little bit about that book of yours. Well the book is a told my my wife when i finished it. It's the longest sermon ever written Back in back in the dark ages. When i was going to seminary was about the time that W w j d what would jesus do was making the rounds and write. A lot of conversations can seminary about that and i had a serving the church at the time and and we discussed it. A lot and i had several servings on it and i got to thinking about it and i said well. That's an interesting question. But what's the answer. So i took twenty plus years and and the last four years in in writing the book and and decided to finally answer the question And so that's the genesis for do what jesus would do taking it from a question and then putting it into action. What did you find out. I'm just dying to know well It's something. I had had preached on for a long time. And it's it's taking well it did was i took the beatitudes out of matthew. Five and just took that part of the the sermon. It's the that whole series of Verses and chapters is the largest single piece of Literature that we have that jesus spoke at one time. And i said well i can't do the whole thing so i wanted. I looked at it. And i decided that the beatitudes the heart of what jesus i think was really trying to tell us. This is how we should treat one another. you know. be kind to one another Help those who are less fortunate than ourselves and put into action. What jesus ministry was all about reaching out to others one person at a time. So you've taken this one sermon. This one on speaking of jesus and this is this is what you are politics for these jets. They always at the same time. I'm recording if taken this one sermon and this is this is how you are viewing. Jesus you're taking this and this is going to be your Interpretation of his character is and and and you're taking you blessed are the poor or the meek and and people who suffer essentially exactly exactly and I cover a couple of other things. In in the book you know the the power prayer And those kind of things and if if you look back in if you're if you study the words that The bible uses blessed be. I mean that's a blessing. So jesus is really saying you know you're blessed if you if you do these things so that's that's really you know. Today is all about getting something out of it. Not just doing something we seems like. We have to rewarded when i was a kid Mom and dad would say if you clean up your room you can go out to play or you know nowadays if if you If you meet your quota at work then you get a bonus that by doing what jesus asks us to do. We are blessed in ways beyond just getting to go out and play or get a bonus from work.
Yahweh is the Danger with Ed Burdette
"Today. Special guest is the host of the one year bible. Podcast ed bernadette. Welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. Thanks for coming on things for accepted the invite appreciate you being here man You tell us a little bit about your show. The one year bible podcast. It came out of an idea a few years ago Two thousand fifteen two thousand sixteen where. I decided that. I wanted to read through the whole bible and it was something that never done before and so i got one of those one year you read the bible in one year bible's divided up that way and i thought he good way to kind of keep myself going. If my energy and motivation was flagging would be to to try to make streak of it and record these Daily readings and just post them for anyone else might be interested and you know. I'm very thankful. I made it through the whole year and then just realized that. Hey this could be continue to be useful. And so that was Was late two thousand and sixteen when it started Into into two thousand seventeen in the last couple of years. I've added a friday. Devotional know a once a week type thing where we take a little bit of a deeper look into a part of that day's passage that winds up with reading through the bible in a year so So that's you know. That's the backstory to wear that that came from and it's really been a labor of love Ever since that first year you know. I haven't followed on posted the episodes but i haven't followed on with reading through in a year but have been Just really encouraged. I think to to keep going with it. And i've gotten just just Used every so often the a wonderful email from someone saying how it helps them encourage damage. Shine some light on something. That was helpful So yeah that's That's where that podcast came from. That's also i listen to one I think it was one more. Ma more recent ones and the way you read through is it's so fluid and and wonderful honestly. I can't even get through my intro without screw up ten times. I don't know how you're doing. And do do i do i do edit So world or gag or or something That doesn't make the final cut. Well you know. I mean i i understand that i i. There's another guy who does a youtube stuff. Bible says what guy. He doesn't same kind of thing he does a little videos and whatnot with it Did you start off on genesis. Because i know you do three separate different verses Read from three time. that's it yeah so So the the beginning of each year does start out a reading from genesis so delayed the way this particular one year. Bible's divided up. You do a reading from the old testament reading from the new testament a bit of a bit of a song. Maybe a wholesome and some proverbs and you that every day so in In in january you find yourself in genesis working through and then by the end of the year you know in the new testament revelation and Yeah that's how it works through. And they were lots of different plans that were through lots of different ways. And you know pros and cons to I think all of them and so this is just one that worked out well and Yeah but that's that's how it's all set up interesting definitely interesting way of doing it Backing the longtime ago. When when i was a believe i never actually sat down to read the bible and that was definitely one of the things that opened. My eyes was sitting down and reading it. It was it was like going through. Genesis was difficult for me I had a hard time connecting the dots and whatnot. Is there anything that you've read so far with your journey through since you hadn't done before or anything so far that you've had an issue with food there are lots of things that you know i'll be reading. I'll think i don't. I don't understand something that i'm reading And i think. I mean that must come up for. I have imagined for anyone reading the bible. I mean reading it from this distance in time away and and the end of the great cultural distance away. There must be things i would. I would have seen him Anyone in any culture today reading it would just say this is something that is strange or i don't understand and so at that at that moment i think that's just like a very Kind of a decisive. A decisive moment. There where it's what. What am i responsible leads. You know to that to that. Like i don't get it And you know off the top of my head. I'm not thinking of anything where it's like man you know. This is something where i really. I really struggled with this. I really Just don't connect with it or don't see how it is that way What what i've learned to do you know. I think i think honestly like part of this journey of wanting to read through the bible was really Is really about trying to get to know. God better and so this this sense of okay. God is someone who i can talk to I can you know. That's that's prayer. And so if. I'm if i'm reading something that that is in the bible that you know i believe is god's word and it's something that i don't get i mean there are there are people who are older and wiser than me say things run just like i don't know about that and and and yet and yet at some point it comes to like you know you've got more Years on the trail and You know there's there's i i've seen you i've seen you be trustworthy in the past and so even though i don't get necessarily what you're saying now i can kinda go along with this. Okay i trust you as a person
Witches and Demons and Priests, Oy Vey
"Every buddy. Hi, guys well from unseasonably chilly Salt Lake. CITY UTAH. It's thank God i May theus. podcast I'm Frank Kelvin and I'm Dan Beecher and coming up today Dan. We've got an interview with Andrew Gold. podcasters documentary guy journalist. T. TV percent presenter for the BBC really and all around fascinating cat. Yeah. who is going to tell us uh spooky ghost story. On goes he's GonNa tell us a spooky demon story. So even better than. That works for Halloween, which, of course, it is today. ooh. there. What what what's your bet? We'll anybody come to your door wanting candy. I'M GONNA GUESS NOT Not where I live. Yeah. But like probably very few trick or treaters in general because know. Tis Net. Now, you could get something really spooky like a global pandemic disease. So, there is that. But before we before we we talked to Andrew. We gotta get to some news. Dan's some stuff that happened this week. Big Old world out there. I've got a story about some some witches trying to do something about all that trying about trying to trying to help out in the World Oh. Okay. Trying to normally think. And we're things once went wrong. Okay. Yeah, this last Friday. Thousands of witches across the country. decided to cast a binding spell on Donald Trump. And ensuring his failure in the upcoming election in just a couple of days actually. Oh my gosh. So that sounds time. I hope I. Hope it works. Slow. Sometime you know. What's the thing about? Strange bedfellows. But nonetheless. Yeah I. Apparently. The you know which is have been working against trump even before he was elected the first time I remember there being a story about about them trying this that first election. I not overly confident that they're going to be able to succeed judging by their their past record. I don't know. Well, I mean according to this Article Damn that I have pulled up the number of which is in the country has been on the rise. So if it's a numbers game, they probably have a better chance than ever Yeah researchers looking back. You know to nineteen ninety estimated that there were only eight thousand wiccans in the United States. As of two thousand, fourteen, that's not you know. It's not yesterday but the Pew Pew Research Center. Estimated there were somewhere between one and one point five million wiccans or pagans in country. This is Dan I mean that's good margin of error for them, half a million people but. I'm just GONNA. Say I think that that right there those statistics are proof that the Internet's a bad thing. What the people have. There's so many more people calling themselves, which is at this point shut up. I mean unfortunately. I. Don't WanNa make too much fun of of which is or make it too personal but I know of at least a couple women here in Salt Lake who were out casting spells this weekend. Getting which I don't know if it was I don't I don't actually have a lot of details about whether they were participating this, but I would assume so but I think that that there's something interesting for happening in a country right when you go from eight thousand. Thirty years ago right to possibly a million and a half. Five years ago, right? Wow. Like there's something you don't know what people. Obviously there's a disenchantment with religion in general right and so this is maybe spiritual but not religious type thing right where people are Kinda, they wanNA feel a connection. Right. And I think to be honest. It's kind of fun I mean. It feels like it might be a little feminist in ways right absolutely and and so and I do think that that's part of the draw of of wicca is that it is a feminist or or or at least a woman positive in which in the religious world is vanishingly rare. So I'm I'm all for it on that front. It's just. I would love to see like numbers on Wicca, and how many wiccans Like are genuinely believers in these spells and stuff and how many just think of it as like you say, kind of fun. Yeah. I mean. But if nothing else they're really freaking out the Christians which I think is fantastic.
"Hi everybody. Hi guys well from somewhere in Oregon and Salt Lake City Utah. It's thank God I'm atheist the podcast I'm mark and I'm Dan and. Mark Hello pay there now. You're not frank, I'm I'm not anymore. I have emerged like a butterfly from Christmas. From the Frank Shelf Christmas and the Frank. No thanks. That's right Thank you so much for coming on and and help out you you who have helped out here before but are also my co host over on the how do heretic. As much as well as other things I, guess you sure you've in the in the world not that I pay any attention. To the most important stuff Yeah. Unfortunately, I was going out of town and frank was going to have to find a replacement for me. And then, and then frank came down with some horrible apparently non-co vid disease. And and I had to fill in last as far as we know, frank does not have the Rona. Dead. Yeah it seems. It seems as though he is negative though false negatives have occurred in the world. So but anyways, prayers in that seed money coming in. Yes exactly basically, the only way to save him is to is to send us a all of your money. On the television screen, we'll tell you how to do that a later in the program also later in the show you and I are going to have a discussion about persecution privilege. And There's a difference between those two things and points and purpose purpose qwerty. So the four pence perspicacity yeah, which is also Yeah. I anyway, we'll get to all of that later on but in but first, why don't you tell me one of your stories I understand that you've come prepared with with stories to tell the kids you know me I'm already I've got a pocketful of magic for everybody so. This, this will probably relate a little bit to our discussion later in the show. Daniel Okay and this is an older article, but it's been making the rounds again because of reasons. Okay. Yeah. It's an article in the Atlantic by Emma Green and it's about. You know the most most persecuted people in America and those would be. Christians. Of course, they will let me. Let me read a couple of excerpts from the article here in. Many. Many Christians. Believe they are subject to religious discrimination in the United States new report from the Public Religion Research Institute and Brookings. Offers evidence. Almost half of Americans say discrimination against Christians is as big of a problem as discrimination against. Including blacks and minorities. Three quarters of Republicans and trump supporters said this. This article is like a year and a half old. So imagine it's much higher now. And so did nearly eight out of ten White Evangelical Protestants of the latter group six and ten believed that although America wants was a Christian nation, it is no longer a huge jump from twenty twelve. Forty, six percent of those surveyed said immigration from Mexico and Central America has been too high in recent years. Yeah. When asked the same question about immigrants from predominantly Christian countries though only ten percent of people said immigration has been too high. The irony in this is essentially the same question phrase student as Latin American countries are overwhelmingly Christian. Right. All those all those non-catholic Mexicans that are coming over our border. Yeah exactly. Well, who didn't Alex Jones we talk about Alex Jones saying that Mexico was run by a bunch of white shoes at one point but. You know. So Then to kind of conclude. While the US, is still a nation of faith with roughly seventy one percent of adults identifying some kind of Christian. Religious organizations of all kinds are struggling with lower levels of attendance declining participation in ritual practices. More and more people say they're not part of any religion and this is especially true of young people in their twenties and early thirties with you. Guys if religious believable believe their institutions are declining, which demographically speaking they are they may feel more threatened by what they perceive as the growing numbers of people in the country who have a different kind of faith. There's evidence of this in the strongest style. Many people seem to feel for the past and allusive time when Americans felt more of a consensus about their values and beliefs strong majorities. Evangelical Protestants in White Catholics believe America has changed for the worse since the nineteen. Fifties. So off the one, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty s Jim crow women knowing their place raging cold war nuclear arms race the good old days as Back Yeah back when we could win when everybody's lives were so much better. So this is a lie that just will not die. Like this Christian persecution complex Oh. My God it is amazing and we're GONNA get to more of it. We're going to expound on later in the show like you alluded to but my God it is. It's astounding at what's really funny is. The Christians believe that it is a due to outside influence that everything's getting so bad. Not at not at all acknowledging that, no dude, the calls coming from inside. Right. He's leaving. You are doing this. Yeah. First of all. It's not true that you're being persecuted but part about right believing. You're doing that. Yeah exactly because you're persecuting. They're not leaving because the world outside of Christianity looks. So enticing your leaving because the world inside of Christianity is a an abusive health gape. Maybe work on that you
Christian Minister vs. David C. Smalley
"Join me in welcoming who you may know as Cathy Taylor is dead but I promise you he has his own name welcome Dave fogged rude to the show Dave. How are you? Hey. Can you hear me? Okay I can hear you just fine you sound great. Good. Thank you for that introduction brother. Hey, how you doing man? You you know the way I. Look at it every day as a gift David and I'm doing good. I mean I've been through a few things Virus going and everything but I'm doing good good. So you're feeling good you kicked it and you'll set. Yup. Yup Our all set. The symptoms ended up to last for a while but. I seem to be back to normal. Really we I got my wife and I back the end of May May like Memorial Day weekend thing. Yep. While did it require hospitalization or did you guys just stay at home or? Well actually it did require hospitalization. My wife got so sick I didn't think I was out sick I had already been sick and really hurting my muscles and everything but she got so bad that she said, I think I better go to the Er and when I got her there, her oxygen level was down to fifty five. And I didn't know. They don't hustle that I. Know It. That's really low. So she was on that we went in and within the hour they took her by ambulance up to Madison and put an ICU for a week and then she spent the next week in a normal room. Through, this treatment stuff you know. Had to be rough when he goes. Here. I am sitting in the car I didn't realize that she was going to be going to Madison from Beloit and. I thought well I'll go why am I sitting here on my so go myself checked I get to the door and they found my temperature was one hundred and three soul I've never had that happened before. So, anyway, I spent most of the night in Er and started got doctored up and went home and took care of my dog and a few days later, I went in for a week Yep Yep. I'm so thankful the multi goes pulled through. That's really cool. It's yeah I'm glad you. Say This my wife's auctioned level was so low that they wanted to intubate her with that Whatever you call. I forget what you call the intimate you but she refuses she's a nurse and she said no way I'm not going to have that to don my lungs and they said, well, we'll have to do something else and sure enough they were able to put on a high oxygen high volume oxygen mask and. It helped her she pulled through. So is that the thing that they later found out is actually kind of bad for covert patients whenever they recycle that that air. Yet why it could be I. Do know this that her concern was if she's really got called it and you stick that thing down your throat and then into your lung, they're going to push that stuff more into your lungs and She's pretty smart nurse you know. Goodman. I'm glad you guys made it through really am that's fantastic. So I guess the big question that that that my listeners have that I have for you right off the bat is. How in the world did such a wonderful guy? Raise such a potty mouth because Kathleen Taylor let me tell you I mean beep beep right I know I. Love my daughter with all my heart. I don't appreciate her body I. Don't see the need for it but You know she's kind of adopted that as part of her vocabulary. Yes. We love it man to be honest with you over here. It's like to be real. Don't get me wrong. I get it I get it. She's she's so unique in more than anything. I'll say all religious beliefs aside I mean it. You know if more humans just in general had the love and care in their heart that Kathy does. There would be no need for this show. I, mean her just the way she treats people in loves people is just inspiring everybody atheist Christian whatever. So you did something right and she's doing good for the world even if you disagree with her sometimes you know. Oh we only disagree on certain items, but I love her with all my heart and I would give my life for her she's amazing she's gifted and She's full of love and compassion, and what more can you ask for you know? All right. So Chris, she's a Christian. Okay. I'll take your word for. That one. So so let's so let's dive into that. So what what branch of Christianity what what flavor are usually like to say were you raised in were what was your of your faith as a child? Well. I feel really blessed because I was raised in a loving family and I was raised in a more of an evangelical type of environment grew up in even jellicoe free. Church which is a very. It's not it's not. It's not extreme liberalism. It's not like legalisms legalistic. It's It's a well balanced church, but it doesn't compromise the scriptures and It's a good sound upbringing I had and my mom and dad. Demonstrated love and. You know and I think they they had been through things I didn't realize like my mom had at least one. WHO's Gon? WHO's now gone but who was an alcoholic for six months out of the year and the other six months? He was up preaching you know. So I mean, all I'm saying is I think they learned to look beyond somebody's faults and see their needs, and that's what I like to do. Do you think that's what Jesus would do you think do you think religion is -quired required for that? I think that there's a lot of good people in the world who do not claim to be a Christian or do not do not claim to believe in Jesus. Good people but. So there's people that have compassion and love and. And even even though they don't claim to be religious per se. So I mean apparently you can be a good but. I I always reflect on the importance of. Faith and because the Bible says that you know we're not saved. By being good but by the grace through by God's grace through faith. Well. What I'm getting at is You know. If if people can be good without religion. And people can be good with religion. It seems like people can just be good with their without religion. So then I ask what's the point in religion if we can do well without it? Yeah, well, you call it religion and I'm not. I mean religion is. Man responsible trying to reach God but I'm more into the relationship thing where Scott reaching down to man. I believe that will we're all centers even good. People are centers you know okay.