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Republican Congressman vs. David C. Smalley
"Let's jump straight in. Because i want to bring our guest in on the conversation immediately. He's a former congressman from virginia's fifth district he's now nc are is chief strategist and author of bigfoot. It's complicated which. I really hope we have time to get into and i really hope. He's still a republican. Let's find out join me in welcoming denver riggleman to the show. Thanks for joining me today. Sir thanks for having me sir. Oh well you heard that with us for the first time it just came out moments ago. What are your thoughts. So i'd like to state as we start here. The president trump reid tweeted a few months ago that the joe biden. Kill seal team six. I think god you're right. No you know. That's and that's what i was when i was listening to that speech after what i heard Down near the white house right before the siege on the capital. In fact that i've been in. Congress have been in the house. And i knew some of those people that spoke like madison call or mo brooks of talked to many times Don jr. meant obviously rudy giuliani I've met obviously and and what i really saw. Their david was absolute Language to incite really. It happened over the months and months and to hear that right now. My my first reaction is not really a politician but as an intelligence officer and something counter-terrorism like somebody's very afraid of the senate trial for impeachment. I thought the same thing Michael came in a few seconds in michael goes. Looks like a hostage video like he looks like he like. It's not really his words. He just feels the need to say these things he had to. I mean you know. The thing is is that his his term does end. I know that there are some people that are still listening to pastures and trucks talking about biblical prophecy that president trump is right now hidden a bunker and mike. Flynn is going to be the next vice president but by the way that's true. I just saw this video two days ago. One hundred eighty five thousand likes david on a facebook video from some dude in a truck saying that you know he's a pastor and had biblical prophecy and he just went through the whole cunanan thing and i just shaking my head about the ridiculousness out there. But he still wants to keep his brand to. He's got to make money. And how's he going to do that. And i think there's a lot of things you need to worry about. And that speech was the copa. That was so too late and show not anything that he said before that very hard to believe men. You're spot on. I mean. I i you know about damn time is the first reaction and then does he even believe the stuff he's saying is the second reaction So late you know so late to the party So that so that my listeners have a little bit background as to why this conversation between the two of us is so important You know you're you're only a former congressman because apparently you weren't conservative enough for your district right you. You lost to someone who was far more conservative and on top of that. I've seen you. I've seen pictures. Anyway of you officiating. Same sex wedding so you don't sound very republican the to us sir. What's going what's going on over there. Why are you so open minded and logical. You know when iran. You know. i've only been. I don't know people know this about me. I was i was a ceo. sell my company in two thousand twelve doing counterterrorism and counterintelligence work. Could you know not. Only that i can. I can go back in time. If i told you the crazy stuff. I've done like we mission plan. The first bombing runs death in afghanistan for nine eleven. that was our squadron. It was me Oman training omanis on. F16 sixteen operations in two thousand and ninety nine. I was on. The romanian serbian border for operation. Allied for trying to stop ethnic cleansing. I've had a hell of a life and that's just the beginning counter idea. Actually our team that was tracking sulejmani and two thousand six two thousand seven so when people saw my resume like this son of a gun never been in politics before when i ran as a republican i was asked to because the my predecessor had to resign because of alcoholism. Which is a little ironic. Since i'm going to stiller. I one on accident one by one. Vote against a christian. Dominion est They called me a baby killing sodomite But i thought if if practicality and i was a good guy team player like in my military days voted independently when i had to I thought i would see that. I care about people more than the career. Because i didn't need the paycheck and sadly after the same sex wedding david conspiracy theory started about me that i was working for soros to turn children into alternative lifestyles by funding schools. To teach that doug gay sex was okay. And that i really started saying cunanan was turning and blossom and this was back in twenty nineteen and since my background is in you tracking isis and al qaeda and disinformation and radicals. I said this also looks like that. We have almost the same type of thing here. We have people that are using language of dehumanisation and antisemitic. Tropes to go after people. And you know it's like a lot my book right. It's about bigfoot belief systems and take over people's lives so really been a hell of a time for me. I never thought that My family we get death threats You know i never you know. I never thought that. I can tell you this. Now that somebody would remove the lug nuts are in them all up on my right front tire at a rally where i came out and felt funny and took it to a shop and look like they tried to hurt me pretty bad so this has been one of my life has been like for the past two years david. And guess what athem you know. This is what they want to bring it. Bring it because i got fifty acres of distillery and i'm a second amendment guy and but i'm also a free thinker and pretty socially libertarian. So i don't know where. I fit bud
Testimony Under Duress with Brian McLaren
"Today. Special guest is the author of faith after doubt brian mclaren. Welcome to the show. Thanks great to be with you. Michael appreciate you coming on and sending me the book that's awesome. I always love getting books from the gas. Really fun the honest with you. Though man i was a little disappointed. There was no No autograph for you know. We'll have to try to remedy. That somehow awesome good. I like those special notes that they send me. Those are fun so does a little bit about your book. Well i was a pastor for twenty years and my life as a pastor. I had so many folks come to me over the years with their questions and doubts and things that just didn't make sense and Sometimes their questions really sort of the united my own questions and So i've always been interested about the intersection of pay out. Especially i grew up in a super conservative religious background. Where it wasn't real. You know ask asking questions and acknowledging that weren't really allowed so I left the past some years ago. And i i still speak primarily to pass pastors and i would say that hardly a week goes by where i don't hear from several people who tell me their pace falling apart or you're having serious doubts about this or that element of it and it's surprising how many clergy are also in that situation. So all that interesting together to say this is. This is something. I've been struggling with for a long time and Maybe something. I could help others with interesting. So do you think it's it's a good thing to doubt. Let's put it this way. It's a bad thing to just believe something because somebody else told you. You have two more threaten you with some punishment. If you didn't say that you believe honesty's important and stout important on a doubt in and of itself won't get us to where we need to go but faith without any doubt. is I think it's pretty dangerous. It among other things it sets us up to be exploited. It sets us up to the Ripped off by con artists because then con con artists. Were they they tell us to believe what they say and put son has been where Where we end up being manipulated manipulated by our ninety faith. Yeah scary stuff. A lot of cutler's out there and get you in you know you just go follow the group. Whatever the group does here drink this cool eight. It'll be great. do what what. What's a little scary is those kinds of Those kinds of connor artists exist in the world of religion and in the world of business and in the world of politics there hammer. unfortunately religious communities can easily become aggregate For people who want to believe and and then they become aggravates for people who can be manipulated. So that's why. I think it's important to help Christians and people of other religions well but for me as a christian especially how christians and especially i have a soft spot in my heart for pastors. Since i was one for so long to help passed a better job on helping people honest with their questions and doubts interesting. Kinda wanna go back to something. You said there for a minute. You said punishment if they don't say that they believe it. So do you. Do you find that if if if you don't believe something a punishment for not believing that is wrong or shouldn't be done a well. Maybe i maybe. I can explain it like this. I'm one of the things. I wanna the insights really that became clear from within. The book is how faith isn't just an individual. Aw an individual experience and doubt is not just an individual experience but because we belong to communities that are often bound together by agreements to certain creeds doctrinal statements or agrees that our social life is really wrapped up our doubts as well and And so what we end up experiencing a lot of its experience is that were part of a group and we just raise an honest sincere question and then people realize this is a question that our group is not allowed to ask and so The punishment might being new won't be allowed to be a small group leader anymore. Because we don't trust you anymore because you admitted that you have this question now. Probably a lot of other people that question through but they just hadn't admitted it or it could even go farther where people are at the face the possibility of excommunication and and there's not just the theological dimension that but that often means separation from family and friends. I in the beginning book. I tell the story the young man who came to see me he was a pastor. He he dared to question what most of us would consider an extremely esoteric doctrine of his little church and And he was kicked out and among the people who kick about were his parents and his gra- one grandparents so you can imagine how devastated.
The Atheist Experience 25.04 01-24-2021 with Matt Dillahunty and Jim Barrows
"We are live today. Sunday january twenty four thousand twenty. One unless is not in your watching it later. But that's what we're recording it house. They're doing. I'm your host this week matt donny. Joining me my co host. Jim barrows are you. Jim not too bad. How you doing matt. I'm all right. How's the boat. Floating into boat is doing okay. Tween my brother is getting closer and closer to his own boat. So i'm pretty sure the three of us all be down there working on stuff at the same time probably so walking. This show is sponsored by the atheist. Community of austin a nonprofit educational organization promoting positive atheism and the separation of church and state. Sometimes i like to do the old as just to remind myself. But if you're watching us. Live right now on youtube First of all thank you for giving every time in tuning in i knew could watch later. But if you're watching it live you get to hear it when it happens. We all know how exciting that is and directly above the chat is a donation link where you can donate to contribute to the that helps us run the show and all the other shows the other things in the organization as well and in addition to being able to donate directly on youtube. You can also order merchandise. They go to a bit dot lease lash a and merch and find yourself some coffee cups another cool things there as well. You can also have a youtube membership. Which allows you to have custom little icons emojis and all the other stuff. I'm not gonna pretend to know what it all of this because most of you think i'm boomer what have not and so. I'll just pretend like. I didn't have a clue about any other. But you can also join patriot. Patriots dot com slash the atheist experience that all of that goes to help support as well. There's a couple of facebook pages that we've been promoting for a while now and that's the experience fan group it's facebook.com/group/podcastbeyond pf g. And then there's the private fan group which is x. p. pf g Same thing by fans for vince. Thank you so much for doing all that as a reminder on sundays Talkie than airs at one central and in the gap between talk heathen at three central is the nonprofits recorded on wednesdays. Posted for you guys. You can turn your sire entire sunday and aca experience if you haven't already And the reason that you can do that is because not only are there are plenty of other hosts and co host doing other content around. But there's an amazing crew behind the scenes and we can show you them right there. There's all the people not. That's not all the people there's people who are active at this moment who were willing to jump in on crew cameron be shown. There's a ton of people that work on the content here and in addition i have a special message and so i want to say happy birthday to greg. James our producer. And y'all should watch this in greg. I answered a lot of emails for the atheist experience. And i've never gotten a single one complaining about you. So i think that means you're doing a pretty great job. I do have one email here though. Thought i'd share with you and
The New Guy #477
"From still unseasonably warm salt lake city utah. It's thank god. I mean theorist the podcast. I'm frank feldman and i'm damn beecher and coming up on the show today dan Well i mean first off we have a new president of the. Did you notice that. I like talked about the weather in the in our little opening thing. Because guess what there's like. There's little less panic in my life right now. There's a little less like extreme anxiety in my life right now. It's pretty amazing. Isn't it But we wanted to talk about the inauguration and in fact that it seemed to be kind of a Church service of sorts. It was pretty heavy on the jesus. So we're gonna talk a little bit about that and it's not it's not all roses and and and you know what's another nice thing besides roses. I don't know chocolates roses and chocolate over here. You guys there's some negative stuff to we can tell you there is But i mean i i. I'm having a hard time. Look there's a part of me that's like how dare you look at the negative right now freeing right like how dare you enjoy this moment. I don't think we're you and i are going to be particularly disposed to just shitting on stuff too lightly bounce along it. We'll notice it you know. Just i don't think we're going to be like there's a worst moment. I think that. I think the we're not in that head space right now. Not at all. Hurry dan yeah as we've been want to do on this show during the pandemic we've talked a lot about it and right now. The vaccine Is our best hope for Normalcy and life returning to any semblance of normality And you and i are probably only like you know what twenty two months away from getting so we're in great shape. We're definitely not high on the list. No so i'm all the way down. I've i've been thinking about acquiring some health issues potentially pump up on the list. Now that's i'd get a job as a teacher but nobody would hire me all right. We'll have to wait. We're just to wait. Some people are kind of concerned though about the vaccine and potential side effects. You know it's good to ask questions right right then. Only if you're willing to hear the answer will there's a rabbi by the name of daniel ace or Who he's he's worried about one particular Potential side effect From the covid Vaccine which is it could make you. Gay is a large online following and he has urged his followers to not be vaccinated against the coronavirus warning them that doing so might turn them into homosexuals. Oh my god this is how works. And he has a million for their totally is so he says the any vaccine made using an embryonic substrate. Okay and he says that there's evidence of this can cause quote opposite. Tendencies you clean more. He claims that both the corona virus and the vaccine are works of a global militias government comprising of the freemasons the aluminum body Bill gates really. Funny i i i. It's funny because you hear a lot about global governmental conspiracy theories but does he not know that those always eventually lead to antisemitism. It's always about the jews in this leak leak leak. Why and shouldn't he just like. How could you be jewish and into these same these conspiracy theories. Wouldn't you just wanna be like shits the protocols of the elders of the masons so he's like the people that are talking about jewish people. You know running. You know some global whatever right. Jews globalist always means jewish. Sh- don't tally. We're actually oh absolutely love it I was also wondering like if it causes opposite tendencies. Maybe this could work for gay people to like no longer straight. Yeah he should be like they should be embracing it to like a. Wouldn't it be great if he accidentally ends up saving the lives of all of his gay constituents side to make them straight. He's all of the gay folks to go and get vaccinated and they're the ones that are end ended up surviving love it. So can i say you know if it didn't if it wouldn't complicate current relationships i would be like all like turn me gay. I just don't wanna get corona virus. I don't care who. I love at the end of it. Just it would complicate things for a minute. But you'd figure it out you know. I let guys i you know. I just not plenty of gay men believe me. There's a lineup. If i if i if i come out i'm gonna be okay on the love front. I was going to be some candidates. I'm sure i don't know. I that that may have sounded very very arrogant. I'm i'm just gabe eight. I don't know why it's just a fact all right I am going to talk a bit about. So here's the thing. The national elections garnered all of the attention as well. They should have the national elections. Were very very important in these united states this year. But we need not. We need to not forget that there are still local Politicians stuff having an effect on our lives One of those shit balls his representative terry jones. Not the fun. Terry jones for monty python but a different terry jones from north dakota has just filed a bill h. This would be hp one four seven six. I'll how long yes. okay yes. You're you're familiar. Yeah yeah which is basically like it takes a very interesting approach to how to I mean the bill is basically. It should be called. The north dakota wants to hate. Lgbt people oh god lgbtq people. Okay it is entirely a hate bill. God which includes a very long preface section where it defines terms and boy. Is he interesting at defining terms. And for a hot minute. I thought that he did not know what one of the key words meant but it turns out he does. Here's the thing i'll just. I'll just read his definition which is an important definition apparently to him of drag queens storytime which is he says drag greene story. Time means a non secular event where men dress up as women and display it inherently sexual performance targeting minors with the purpose of promoting and normalizing the faith based beliefs and practices that stem from the secular humanist religion his angle a very specific like to be what would be to be clear about this. His angle is that all of the lgbtq everything that he can think of the lgbtq plus stems from their belief in the Secular humanist religion and is therefore religious in nature and the government can't support it that's brilliant. That's a good argument. It's a it's a really solid argument especially considering that if you asked him. Should we be able to promote christianity. Probably definitely say yes. It'd be great with of course he. It's fine to promote the right religion. Just not that secular humanist bullshit has to say this is an amazing yeah why do you signal a single out drag queen story time. I love that. And i also love it. It says a lot about a person when a drag queen reading a children's book to children. Yeah who's just dressed in. Non qanon non gender conforming clothing right when that is deemed to be an inherently sexualize performance targeting minors dude. They're reading a book. Yeah that is. The extent of the activity is reading a book. They're not make them club. Performance would yeah may or may not be sexual. Yeah in nature. It's usually like. It's i mean i've seen plenty of rupaul's drag race and they sometimes like to get racy. But mostly they're just walking and lip sync exactly kinda fine. Yes no big deal. So here this lovely phrase.
The Great Commission with Tyler St. Clair
"Special guest is the lead pastor at the cornerstone church in detroit. Scho- tyler sinclair. Hey how you guys doing. Glad to have yawn man. Thanks for taking time out of your busy schedule in having the conversation appreciate it. My pleasure. Mock leisure well today. We decided to discuss the great commission. But i like to get to know a little bit more about you. Tell us a little bit about your scherf. I'm gonna give you the long and short of my journey. Yeah i'm born born and raised in detroit michigan. I grew up Grew up at a situation that we It's pretty common Single parents and the In the city and struggled and ran the streets and the very similar story a lot of people That are ministry six to reach In the city of detroit but I born and raised in church. But i decided at the age of eighteen and my infinite wisdom that i was done with god. Donald church didn't want when have anything to do with this Beings that i thought was irrelevant in my life and Yeah whitten On my birthday when got got got a tattoo and decided that I'm done One one year later one year later. I'm asking jesus To say before for my fans and surrender my life to the lord. Jesus so what. A difference. A year year makes so they age of nineteen. I surrendered to christ and What what struck me was My church experience was Church with the destination church. Which is the place that people came. I thought it was just a social thing. I thought it was just something that people came and did and got their religious goods and services and when i began to read scripture sure I saw that there was. There should be an urgency behind the church that there should be a zeal and the desire to see people come to know and follow jesus and to see people From the wrath. Adjustment of god. So i think i for this is this is different. What i'm when i'm reading a scripture is different from what i'm seeing and what i'm experiencing and So i i got saved In september of two thousand and one in december just a few months. Later i was telling my pastor that i feel called to ministry they nineteen years old and everyone thought i was insane And i felt insane. But i knew that This burden at the lower had put on my heart with something. I couldn't took away until i got older Like i experienced Life transformation through the gospel. Jesus and i wanted that for everyone that i came in contact with since since nineteen. I have been Like old thanks for say running for jesus and it's been a wild ride and i've just seen so much of the lord's grace In the last twenty something years of kind of know about this tattoo was it. Like i'm done with you. Got a tattoo like it was it was it was. It was just my my my Rebellion me sticking my flag in the ground. I i gotta i gotta t and then. After i became a christian. I change the ten talk cross. Of course so how convenience. It was just This was hey I'm outwardly a rebellion. I'm choosing a life without you And that was a sign of that but Thank god his grace. He's gracious in carnegie and he caught me to himself and save me from myself so college. The tuesday curious the great commission. Let's let's start that matthew twenty eight we've got the great commission eighteen through twenty Mark fifteen sixteen says the same thing. the message basically is go out and preach my work Why do you think it is that you're the one that's supposed to do this. So i love the great commission. And it's been a passes that i've referred to when and and and and basically human oriented my life around this great commission and the part that i think we often overlook is The beginning part. Before right before get right. Before jesus gives the great commission inverse eighteen Verse eighteen matthew twenty aching and jesus Came and said to them. All authority in heaven and earth has been given to me so jesus is making. That's a very big weighty statement. All of the all authority in the entire universe has been given to me
The Atheist Experience 25.03 01-17-2021 with Matt Dillahunty and Johnny P Angel
"Pm and speaking on prophets well on host producer. Just member extraordinaire there with nonprofits. John angel is joining us here today. I don i am all right. Yes yes yes You might have just seen an episode of the nonprofits with multi and neil and puck and it was pretty good. I caught a little bit of it and We're on every week in between talking and a xp talking about current events social issues Got a good crew of nonprofits and Interesting conversations are had. We're having more fun as the weeks. Go on as we become more and more familiar with each other. Even very few of us actually met each other in person because of this delightful coronavirus disaster. That we're living through them. In person meetings are vastly overrated right now but i will say that In addition to catching up with nonprofits. If you did not catch talkie than earlier today you should go back and watch it because view is joined by katie montgomery friend of ours across the pond. I've done episode the line with their. You probably see more of her around It was just an outstanding show and so we are trying to to live up to their standard age. Is the balls in our court. We're having a zen off I'm just gonna go and throw that out there. Okay which one of us loses her cool It's gonna be me. Because i don't lose them. I'm going to develop like an ulcer may be but you won't read it on my face to be the loser. Loser of all losers. By the time they show over might gonna get so tired of losing that. I'm going to start winning. Yes yes that might actually be the case all right but in addition to us the whole reason that we're able to do this show we have the best crew tack and otherwise that you could ever hope for their they are screening calls looking at Video stuff to make sure that they put themselves on the screen along with a cat. More cats the more cats we have in the background. The better So the rest of you who are are not holding your cat right now. I don't know what's wrong with you. But i guess i guess you're just awesome crew and on that note. Did you have anything in particular that you wanted to talk about. You can mention what's been going on. Nonprofits more specifically like what was the primary issue. You guys talked about this week this week. We talked about the the nonsense down. The capital and the attempted coup the civil unrest the righteous protests of the disenfranchised. However some people might want to phrase it that way talked about Proud boys and parlor and people getting d platform d- Is so much in the news. It's it's hard to really do anything. Justice we record on wednesdays. Of course the show goes on sunday so when we recorded it we had up to date information and i. I hope that the news cycles going to slow down now that some things will be changing on the twentieth. I've i'm very concerned about about Intermittent violence and I i don't want. I'm not predicting anything. I think that the f. b. i. has has made note that There are armed protests scheduled across this nation in. I just hope that They can get that under control. The thought that i had today was. What is the endgame for those who would violently overthrow The de legitimate election. That that we're just gonna be okay. we're just gonna stick with with this Appointed leader as opposed to the elected leader. Okay we're just going to be quiet What is the endgame. What are they look. Like into the mind of the conspiracy theory folks who are trying to trying to make this happen and i can't wrap my head around it. That's because they have their head around here they don't have an endgame. They're just kind of reacting. But i will point out that For those who. I tuned this wednesday. I had this down as a note to at the end. But who knows what's going to happen between now and the end of the show on wednesday joe biden will be inaugurated as president of the united states On wednesday evening. I'll be doing an episode of the hang-up with andrew seidel. Who's been with me through a good chunk of this since rpg died and and the other things and we talk more about politics there but setting aside the political aspect of it. It's important to note that this time that we're going through is unique not just because of pandemic not just because of the election the attempted coup all of these other things in is unique in every regard we are in a position where we need to rebuild where p one one portion of the population is talking about unity and another portion popular. Saying no you don't get to have unity without accountability. once we have accountability the unity. Why is it. You want unity now. You didn't you kinda like the fuck your feelings gr group for for several years. There's a lot of fighting going on. And i have been on the forefront of drawing lines of saying you know this far no further. I i don't want to have anything to do with so and so or people who are in this group or whatever else we have a lot of work to do repairing but that requires that we actually Stand up for the constitutional law a couple of weeks ago. Members of congress were hiding under a table as violent insurrection. His came in to attempt to coup doesn't matter what ultimate plan was. It doesn't matter that they were us citizens. If i if. I if this had happened differently and i said hey last night twenty people broke into the capital and they ransacked the place and they stole some stuff and they sat and desk and took pictures and they marched around with a confederate flag. And all these things or flag. Every american would be up an arm. It's just the fact that the united states is incredibly nearly precisely divided divided between who wants to participate in the system and who doesn't and of those participate divided between democrat republican. Whatever it is please. I don't know why there's going to be a public inauguration at the capitol. It's i i. I'm already disappointed in the new president. Elect for not simply coming out and saying everybody stay home. We don't need to have a big party in the middle of a pandemic at the nation's capital earthworm in. I can be sworn in right here in the halls of congress and get right to work and that is what i think should be done but i'm not running anything and so i'll say to the people out there that while this wasn't a completely planned rant please take care of yourself and stay home. You don't need to go to experience as you will enjoy just as much on zoom. Probably more without the cold without the threats.
Mormon Insurrection #476
"Everybody hi guys well from beautiful salt lake city utah. It's thank god. I'm eighty s the podcast. I'm frank feldman and i'm dan beecher and coming up on the show today. We got a got the times that we live in. We all know what's going on with. Riots and and insurrection insurrection terrorism in in the us capitol right lds church the marlins officially have something to say about they wait. They waited in. Thank god because where would we be. What a powerful voice. They are in the nation. So we'll be talking to buys those mormons and they're they're they're really strong statement all right. We'll i though dan. Yeah let's see. Where do i want to start. let's start with one. You really should have known that before we began. Oh dan so jesus christ so as we just we're talking about chaos at the capitol Terrorism at the capitol. Yeah all in the name of trying to prevent joe biden from becoming the next president of the united states says he was elected to do right and It's almost like nobody learned their lessons yet. What's been going down in fact. It seems like there are some pastors still in this country evangelical pastors who are doubling down. Dan on on. Who's going to be on the next president and trump right right. So this is brandon burden. He's the pastor at kingdom life in amazing city texas last name. He and i'm guessing. He is a burden on the city on on on the the economy. Yet no kidding This last sunday. He told his congregation that they have in fact an executive order to keep trump in office. Dan oh then this this executive order. It doesn't come. You know from from him or from the president it comes from god himself dan you he's He says he has heard prophetic voices. That have told him. God or saying that god would hold tole told them trump would be president for eight years. That's ridiculous it's the voices. He heard prophetic voices still said that they were told by god. I don't know how that works. Listen we're going to be hearing later on from another pastor. Who is talking about these same prophetic voices and i understand what's going on all of these. Dudes were had literally put all of their eggs into this pro prophecy basket that trump was. They thought they had it locked down. Thought they knew for sure and the reason was just because they were you know going and looking at the polls and the polls look pretty similar to four years ago and they thought well okay. This is going to go our way. We can pretty clear you know they. They're going to the trump rallies and seeing so many people in they're going they're they're watching the biden rallies which didn't even really exist. You know bring. He talked to a parking lot full of cars. Because there's a whole fucking pandemic happening and they go what twenty five people showed up there. He's gonna lose and then and then vote happened. Indeed he says we have an executive order not from congress or dc but from the desk of the ceo of heaven the boss of the planet the boss of the planet. The boston landed amazing. He said from his desk and heaven. This is my will. Trump will be in for eight years. Said it's the responsibility of his congregation and other christians to execute god's order and alluded to the battle of jericho. He says take down the walls of jericho. The lord says your jericho is washington. Dc that's your fortified city. Like what does he do. Well let's get into a little bit more this whole thing. Well we just discussed. We talked about the battle of jericho just for a second. Because you're the story of the battle of jericho is the god said. Hey go genocide. Those fuckers yeah and then they did. There was no literally. there was no offense by jericho. Jericho had not done anything wrong. Except that they were there where god talk promised. The israelites be right. So literally every reference to the battle of jericho including the jericho marches in washington. Dc those references to a genocide story. Yeah well and dan. It's clear that this is what's on burdens. Mind at toward the end of the service he discussed the need to prepare for a national blackout. Any emergency that could occur between sunday and the inauguration He told the congregation to stock up on food. Water and gas for generators and to keep their weapons loaded. We're locked and loaded at the burden house. He says the pastor then advised the people out in the pews that it's illegal to shoot a trespasser on their lawn but if they can and but they can rather if someone tries to enter their home. Yeah so like hey. He's no armed people with. I'm pretty excited. That he said don't do people on your lawn. I'm pretty excited that he puts little. Psa out into the world. Because frankly you you you tell people to you know lock and load and some of those mother. Fuckers are to start shooting people from their from their Window i mean. He doesn't want them to get in trouble. Dan and so so anyway. Yeah he He he did say that he believes that y'all way will bring a miracle this week and that trump will serve as president for another four years. I mean it's absolutely clear. What's on their mind. He may not be telling his his congregants to directly. I mean he kinda saying that. The you know the whole jericho story. They should probably go do something about it. But if you're but if you can't defend yourself right right like it's it's it's so it seems clear to me what he's talking about. Well he first of all he is one of these people who one hundred percent certain that there's a civil war coming I am never and checking in with the fact that the other side of the civil war is not going to show up like. We're no leaning on a civil war you guys are planning on. I have a friend. This happened to a friend of mine who was minding his business in his house. In daybreak which if you know salt lake the salt the greater salt lake area daybreak is planned community way out in the fucking boonies and And they it. It's it's basically where stepford wives live it is. It's nice but it's also a little creepy anyway His friend the friend of mine. Who is He goes to church. he's mormon Ish his a guy knocks on his door. A guy in his ward. This is a you know. A fellow parishioner in his in his mormon ward knocks on his door.
Clean Slate with Todd Harrison
"Hello this is todd. how can you hear me. Okay i can. I can welcome back. Mr todd harrison. How you doing man. I'm doing good. How about you fantastic fantastic and all surviving staying indoors. Yeah good for you. Yeah that was blocked at netflix and amazon. Or sky man. Yeah amazon's doing real well to absolutely a generics anyway. So let's see here last time we talked. I don't even remember what we talked about. Maybe a little postles maybe a little bit of what you believe Let's just go ahead and start fresh like nothing ever happened. Because i can't remember the word of event sounds good to me. Why don't you go ahead and start off by giving giving us a brief description on why you are a christian at this point in time and how you got to it okay. Sure well. I grew up in in nominal church That was more littered surgical and then then alive and so when as a teenager. I just rejected it locked away. God was irrelevant to me I i i wouldn't say totally disbelieve. But i i can't say i believed in god can't and in fact i i did try. I tried hard to To not believe i. I went into science and university and You know as young person that has a huge effect on you because you kind of that We used to say tabula rasa. You're a blank page. So you kind of go into that. So in my particular university was was kind of radical so at some of the radicals that got kicked out of the states in the late sixties and early early seventies ended up in regina my home home university. Yes so i. i thought it was leaning to marxism. I got involved in transcendental transcendental meditation to kind deal with anxiety And i was a science majors. So i was definitely evolutionist All of those things. All of those things. And so i said to my girlfriend. One time i said. I said you know we're just we just animals. You know we live we dying and that's it it's over right. And so she just burst she just burst into tears in in cried for a while and so i decided not to bring that up again. So anyway We kind of had a long term relationship Actually a number of years five and it kind of came to a point where we had to do something about it and I entered. I went into education i entered. I did not have a good internship. I didn't know it at the time. But i'm adhd and there was no such diagnosis in those days. So so now. As i've been an educator for almost forty years but Apart from god that would never happen. But anyway. my internship. Your your You can't think linearly your executive functions are limited But you have a great imagination. So i used to start my homework about midnight. Eleven o'clock till four in the morning then go to school. So that wasn't a good pattern but anyway that's all. I got to university. But i i walked out. I went back for my last semester. And i i walked. I was there two weeks. And i said i'm done with this I was three months short of a double degree. And i just packed in and walked out and i took a job. I said i'm going to get a real job. And i took a job in a on a seismic crew. If you know what that is that's oil exploration and I was stationed in the arctic on an island in the arctic ocean called island. Yes so i kinda jumped out of the front pan into the fire and Yeah that was really interesting. Yeah so so. I flew up. I'd had a couple of friends who've done it before. And they told me what to wear. And so what the by. So i was prepared but i tell you the guy got off the plane and i saw those guys out there. The wind was blowing. It was like fifty below february. And they're out there unloading the plane. And i'm going my god. How can you work in the eight o'clock the next morning up there. It was actually. It was a good experience. I actually did two seasons but what did happen Gonna had my girlfriend got mad. Because i never discussed it with her so after five years i should have talked about it. She got mad and she moved out. She said well i'm gonna move to. Though she moved out to the west coast of vancouver island she was a nurse and she took a job nursing there so so our plan in money up north. She's gonna earn money there then. We're going to backpack europe. Because you know it's the seventy so. That's you
#516 - The Church State Inauguration
"Sending me a message on twitter with a link to a very well written article or piece of from religion. Dispatches and i realized it was written by a friend of mine that i haven't talked to in a long time and so reached out. Ask them to do the show. He was willing to do so. And i'm so honored to have him. You may know him as the strategic Director of strategic response at the freedom from religion foundation or the author of the founding myth why christian nationalism is unamerican. Welcome andrew l. Seidel back to the show. What's up man. It's good to talk to you again. It's good to be back david. Thanks for having me on. I appreciate hey. Did you hear that little cameo. Dan barker made at the beginning of the internet. I did i. I gotta get the back story on that. I think you were on the show you were. I was interviewing. Yeah you guys were together. It was the one time. I interviewed you at the same time several years ago and were going through different different lawsuits and all the things you guys were filing and what was going on and you were both on screen telling me we were on video actually and and you guys were both telling me back and forth about what you were doing. And then we were about to switch and dan gills. And we're going to sue david smalley for slander and i just took that clip and i was like one day. I'm going to use. That came out. It worked perfectly in the new intro for twenty twenty one so i think it's appropriate. Let him know so Man i yeah. And by the way rob i think has actually become you know pretty strong supporter. Also a mutual friend of all of us at this point He such a such a good guy. I appreciate him appreciate him. Sending sending this link. Oh he's like. Did you see this thing. Andrew road was like no. Because i was on twitter kind of losing my mind about all the religion that was going on at the inauguration and i i felt bad because you know this was our day right. This was our data to unite and to to just be like be done with the trump administration. We've all wanted this to happen for so long. There were several times where we thought even when biden want. It wasn't going to happen and we just we were worried. We were anxious. And this was the moment to start healing and i constantly felt pushed away and not included in the that religion was being forced and then i thought i maybe i'm not the only one there are millions of us who feel this way and so i started tweeting about it and a few people were like dude not today not now. Oh just shut up about it. I think one of my tweets was like by watching the ceremony. You would think we were inaugurating. Joe biden to jesus of america and people were liking it and retweeting all others. Were like dude. Chill out at least we won in at least this you should just suck it up atheist to keep their mouth shut and so when i saw your article for those listening now it's called the inaugurations. Beautiful call for unity was undermined by the invocation of religion. In its on religion dispatches. I i was hanging on every word and i thought andrew felt the same way and apparently millions of other people did too. And i'm assuming that's what sparked you to write this. You were feeling that similar that similar feeling it i. That's exactly what it was. I was watching this. I was you know personally. Not in my capacity as f f are f employees. I did a lot of work to help. Make that day and i was proud of the work that i did and i felt excluded. And it's hard not to and in that that call for unity that moment of unity that moment of national healing to at every turn have got invoked have religion invoked. It did feo alienating. And and i think the fact that it was the central message of the day was unity. Made it worse You know and you know you get this little catching your throat. Little flushing your face in the net feeling of exclusion starts to grow and grow. And i can tell you. We definitely are not alone. The freedom from religion foundation got a lot of complaints about this and and to a certain extent like everybody who is like you know what like not today. I get that completely I i felt that too but we also as people who represent this community and who know we have. Effort has thirty three thousand members and allow them complained. We have a duty to speak out against this. And i'm not saying. Joe biden your terrible person in a terrible president and you're just like donald trump. Now i don't think joe biden is going to gas and beat people who are protesting racial equality so he can march to a church. Impose with the bible for photo. I don't think that's going to happen. I do think that the reason that religion is a forbidden topic and play. Conversation is because it's divisive. And i think turning to religion when you are trying to unite. The country is inherently counterproductive. It will not work in our politicians in this country have not learned that lesson. And if we don't speak up about it they're never gonna learn that lesson we we have to point out to them that if america is ever to be united our leaders must learn that dividing people. Along religious lines is counterproductive. Right i mean it's it's not a hard lesson and i. I tried to approach the article as this is a great idea and unity is the only path forward. It's just that this is not the way if you do that. You're leaving out. Eighty five million americans. Yeah yeah and. I wanna be clear to the people because there. There are christians listening right now. Probably thinking that we're saying oh because we didn't talk about atheism you feel excluded. No that is not it. And to nip that in the body it's specifically because religion was invoked so often that it seemed as though we need god on our side in order to move forward and it was to be honest with you andrew. It was embarrassing I feel like it was our moment to be the grownups again. And i felt like we were like the kid on the playground bragging about pissing the bed. I mean it was. Just silly. I mean i i one of the tweets. I wrote said If the inauguration prayer were accurate it would say dear unmerciful god who was ravaged our world with a deadly pandemic allowed millions of americans or unemployed americans to starve with our children as you watched and allowed a mad man to disparage our
#515 - Black Nonbelievers of DC
"On. I feel like. I should just be walking through a wall that is on fire in slow motion. I agree and the action film. That i wrote it for that rejected it Should regret it. They should regret it terribly. I'm glad they did. Yeah they're not have to pay somebody to us right exactly. I was hoping for that payday. Didn't get it gave it to you for free. We'll set up some kind of pay. Michael gilio for the song fund and see what kind of money we can raise for you. That is a really nice song. Thank you love the vibe. It's grimy it's modern. I think i have always had some form of hip hop intro. Until then i think maybe the very first time i started as podcast like ten eleven years ago now. Some rock song. I don't remember what it was. It was i mean god. We're talking two thousand ten with proper something old man music now. Something like nickelback and or something like that. It was it was super. You know it was a common whatever. But after that i got i had a hip hop beats made for the show by producers and. I don't think i used anything along that line that would you would you. Would you qualify that as some kind of industrial industrial around. That was the idea it was it was intended for. You know god knows what. But for some dude shooting up Some enemy base and helicopters coming in in a world. Yeah i could see man. I could see that. I could see that i could see a video game. Yeah it's honestly tell you something at it. It's too cool for this show. yeah as i see how. It's all working out. it all makes sense. I'm just a stepping stone for the michael gilio to be revealed to the world's wow i can't wait when when when world we'll find yours mid-seventies i'm guessing I'm looking forward to today. It's going to be a good show So here's what i wanna do. I want to introduce my guest and then get right into the topics today. I don't wanna. I don't wanna dance around it. We've got a lot of christian custodes coming up really soon on the christian based episodes. I've got an. I'm going to be doing probably more than two a week here pretty soon. I've i think i've talking with Andrew seidl of the freedom of religion foundation tomorrow and then god. I wanna do a video response. Not i want to do a response to a video. That packs pastor greg lock put out. Oh my god. It's filled with cunanan conspiracy stuff mixed in with jesus. I mean it's deep. And so i want to get into that. I'll have that show out soon And then i've got a lot of christian guest every thursday starting next week. So it's it's gonna be it's gonna be a lot so if you're not signed up on patriot now's the time to do it. And michael recording our phone calls. Yeah how cool is that. We just we just record. Our phone calls now on thrown up on patriots. So if you're not on patriot you're gonna miss that. What are you. What are you smiling like that for Because we've we started recording. Our phone calls. That were weird. It's weird yeah. Well weirdness many times. Would we be having a regular conversation and then go damn this would have been a great podcast. But we don't know it ahead of time and i don't say hey dr out here let's meet and set everything up and sit and have a conversation so instead we just go That was so now we just record them all and post them but still it so we already started the first ones already up. If you're not signed up go sign of now patriotic com slash. David smalley I wanna bring on our guest. Now he is the director of the dc black nonbelievers. Join me in welcoming rosia to the show welcome. Thanks for joining me today. Hey guys thank you for having me thank you so much daily so dc. Why you've been. Yeah it's been you've been busy. I'm guessing how. How has life been been different for you. I'm sure it has been ensured. Dc looks quite different than we're used to in a way. Yes on and another way. I wouldn't really know. Because i've been safely ensconced in my home. There we go off as many of us have been weeks where i'm pretty much right in the green zone i'm not for i'm on capitol hill. Essentially and capitol hill is not just the capital. But it's also the neighborhood you know as you can imagine that surrounds it and so We are pretty pretty close and A few weeks ago. When the malay was going down people. Were texting me in. Are you all are you are right and i was like implying. I'm planning. I'm in the house you know. Most people this area are pretty. You know staying quit Much stay put we. We had a few moments where we were just kind of that
It's all a Setup with Ed Burdette
"Back with us for a second. Time is the host of the one year bible. Podcast ed burr debt. Welcome back to the show. Ed thank you so much. Glad you glad to be here again and greg you. Yeah thanks for coming back man. How's the podcast and the book doing anything new. I'll man it's It's continuing on what like the The new element of the podcast really is weekly episodes on fridays. Where i get to do a devotional about a different passage each week and so inch has kind of been like you know just looking at different angles at something and and Getting to get new perspectives and new insights and so that's just kind of continual discovery process for me that i really love. That sounds fun man. We do that on fridays. then i'd say it. Yeah yeah so there's a. There's a daily reading release so that seven days a week but then on friday we do special episode where we take section of that as reading and then we look at it a little bit more in depth and rather than being a straight up just reading of the bible. It's it's some looking into it and some analysis. That's always fine doing that. Yeah that's cool. Cool fun well. We left off last time. We were talking about All over the place where all over the place mainly liberal theism and non belief and whatnot. I think i kind of want to start off with. What are your thoughts on atheists on those not like me. Nonbelievers thoughts There's mean definitely met folks before who who share that That belief and i guess. I guess just kind of top of mind. I think globally Y'all are in a very small minority true and yeah so You know. That's that's kind of i thought and then i don't really have kinda broad impressions other than that Mostly just enjoy enjoy understanding. You know maybe someone something you know what a beliefs on holds about kind of like a case by case person by person you know just chatting with adnan and talking it over dry like we're doing now yeah exactly. Yeah for sure definitely. Do you do think that eighth east deserve punishment for their non-belief. Oh i mean. I think that when when You know i just think of the first couple of chapters of the book of romans and where we're paul laying out this. Hey like the structure of of the way that the world is made is such claims that you know everyone kind of has to go also to To understand things about god And so he he's kind of saying like you know the evidence is out there and and that we're all we're all presented with it In a way that they're you know there's something to that they're there what we're answerable for that What we've been given what we've been shown interesting referred to jeremiah. Thirty three three call to me. And i will answer you until you great and unsearchable things you do not know. So is that kind of you. Know five call to ya where he's already shown himself to me so therefore i deserve to be condemned because i've seen and i should have believed that point but i chose not to. Oh i mean. I understand the great and unsearchable things those would be. You know maybe related to some of the stuff that paul writes about in in that section of romans but but i mean those i think the great unsearchable things just might be Not necessarily related to the line of arguing of like. Hey you know. Why do i believe what i believe you know. Or what what basic beliefs do i have about reality. And the structure of the universe cosmos. I think that's more kind of like the the arena in which paul is making a making a case rather than like the jeremiah passage. That's how i read them. Gotcha so we've seen him as far as creation creation is enough for us to believe that y'all way specifically the one that did this. Oh i think it's Remember exactly what's written there in romans. But it's something you know basically like you know god's got divine nature and whose power. So how specific we could get from creation itself You know i'm not you know. I'm not totally sure about that. So his divine nature and power. This is something you believe that eighth me is an unbeliever that i've already witnessed in some sense. Yeah yeah. I think we've all witnessed it
Episode 391 - Back to the cringe
"Coming and talking about who has please be advised. Welcome to their pursuit of atheists nomads. I'm dustin and is just gonna be me this week and i held off on recording until wednesday normally try to get recording done at least by tuesday. They have at least a full day to do editing before we'll buy full day. I mean when. I say full day i mean after getting done with work and dinner and getting kylie two beds a when i put it off till wednesday. Then yeah this is going to be basically a live to tape with the auto processing. Hopefully my do a little bit of light editing. But not a whole lot. Because yeah it's eight o'clock and i do want to get this out tonight and have to work tomorrow but the reason why for holding off was two weeks ago we started recording and new there is risk of violence and wanted to hold off and doing all of it just in case that all went really south and then had to do quite a bit on that but there is a risk of that this time around so held off because of that and also getting my second cove shot the side effects. Hit me way harder. This time Yesterday i had muscle cramps and and joint cramps move around and pretty bad headache and nausea and also decent amount of fatigue. That hit monday night right out shortly after the shot. And then also you know in the evening yesterday so putting that off with getting that second round of the shot and They have opened up shots here locally to teachers and law enforcement firefighters in the wake and here pretty soon. We'll be opening up for sixty five so again. Remember when it's your turn go get your shot. Wait your turn. Don't question why it's your turn. It's your turn. Get your fucking shot. And don't forget to wear your masks even if you've gotten your shot at this point i'm probably at seventy five percent protection. Your they're finding fifty percent protection after the first dose ninety five percent a week after the second dose. Two days after the second dose. So i'm probably had a good seventy five percent. Yep still need to wear a mask until everybody's got the shots but let's let's move on from there. I did watch the inauguration i did. I was working and helping taking care of kylie. And the when it when it went to garth brooks doing amazing grace was just like okay. I'm done but it was. It was really nice to see the old school. Getting back to that. That normal where there's optimism and hope and somebody who's decent and then that cringe bits with this priests that went on and on and on and on even the people in attendance didn't seem to be able to tell if that was a prayer or not closing their eyes for a hell no back up on camera. Oh that was funny. And now some biden speeches like his victory speech and then the the inauguration speech ninety five maybe even ninety nine percent awesome and then there's that cringe and there was this bit of that. Hit me with. Oh we're back to news being cringely not outrage inducing. That was when when when this podcast started out. There was that that kind of fake rage on some of the stuff that got tiresome as we're making progress on things and a lot of the stuff is just kind of. It's it's kind of makes you cringe. I do have a fear. That biden will be using religion as a basis for trying to unify the country. And i really hope that's not what's going to happen. If so then. I guess just gonna have to grin and bear it while he actually let's scientists do their jobs and actually tried to do decent policy and tries to do things right and does a bunch of bullshit religious speeches We'll see how that all goes. And i do have an interview lined up for two episodes from now. Hopefully that all goes through to with a professional secular activists on what's going on now. The democrats are control of the senate and house and we've got biden president. We will get more to that later. And ed you have more than a of a rant than a dozen off the degree and then we've got some insurrection news and then we'll be getting to some news. That feels old school normal. Which for those of you have been listening since you know before trump was president you will recognize this feels being liquid finally starting to get back to some kind of normal and we're already starting to get their and that's awesome so for the rant Tech and free speech there. I've been seeing a fair amount of stuff lately. On the way that facebook twitter and other tech companies to lesser extent youtube but yet the tech companies the way they have been censoring free speech that is actually not possible and the reason for that those are businesses not governments. Free speech in the first amendment is a right to not have the government. Stop you from saying things or force you to say things. Not companies and censorship by definition is when governments are suppressing free speech so social media companies shutting down accounts that is not censorship that is not a free speech issue where this does bring up a point. 'cause like parlors one. That's that's an interesting they had and we do have a new story in other news story about them. They got kicked out of the
The Story of Evolution in 25 Discoveries (with Dr. Donald Prothero)
"This in the best possible sense of the word but whenever i've had the opportunity to have a conversation with the guy who is my special guest today i always come away feeling stupid. This is probably one of the smartest. If not the smartest guy i know. I mean i just come away. And i'm like i'm an idiot because i walk into a room and think. Why did i walk in this room. You know someone tells me a piece of information. I can't recall it to sort of squint. Is i'm digesting it and trying to process it right. I'm navigating the every person. Dr donald prospero. Has this encyclopedic knowledge of geology. Paleontology loves to talk about everything from the cell to the cosmos to dinosaurs and so much more. I'd like to come back to the subject of evolution every once in a while on the show because we're still having those conversations up there. Well abolution factor fiction evolution. Just a theory how it has pollution even work. I didn't come from a monkey blah blah blah blah blah. Let's get into evolution. And let's talk to my special guest a prolific author and science educator. If you get a chance go on youtube and watch the video of his lecture called. What the fossils say and why it matters. He gives lots of examples and now he's got a new book out. That takes the conversation even further. It's called the story of evolution in twenty-five discoveries the evidence and the people who found it. Well this was too good. An opportunity to pass up. Dr pro thoreau. It's good to have you back on the show my friend. Thank you for inviting me. Always enjoyed talking to you. I wanted to start outside the book talking about a lot of these discoveries sort of browsing these fossil discoveries. i know there was one in september china discovery about a burrowing dinosaur. I can't even pronounce the name china. Yana something something So we don't have to talk about that specifically but certainly you as a dinosaur fossil guy have to be following a bunch of these discoveries right. Are you keeping up. I try the best i can. But there's like two or three week. Typically and i actually have a real day job too so i don't have the chance a gut track them all down. My feet of scientific articles is pretty steady. So i keep an eye on them and glance titles and then. If i'm really interested then i'll sit down and read it. But i'm teaching three hundred students with four classes a semester so by plays pretty full. So let's talk about twenty-five discoveries. You boil it down to twenty five or did you hand pick twenty-five of hundreds of discoveries. yeah it was sort of a combination of things Several years ago. I was trying to find a way to write a book. That just really talks about the evidence for evolution. How much of their is and how much it comes. All different fields from fossils to genetics to basic systematic biology to by geography it comes from every aspect of biology and paleontology now geology as well and it's it's really the story have to sell that. We understand evolution to be true because of evidence and because it's amount of evidence is overwhelmingly points in one direction. And of course you can watch it in real time as well and something. I did try to bring out of my two thousand nine book about what the fossils say. But i thought it'd be better to put a book together. Which really just outlines the evidence. I was going to go for something really short. And punchy with like a two paragraph vignette an picture never got anybody to take an interest in that and then meanwhile for columbia university press. I had found his little. Gimmick i was writing books started out with the story of life and twenty five fossils and the story of the earth and twenty five rocks and then the story of dinosaurs and twenty five discoveries. And so this is not a fourth in that series and it sort of makes a a nice Thread to put the lots of stuff because it allows me to tell little little stories about each piece of the story about each little piece of evidence so i often introduce it with a background in how people thought about these ideas. And who's been a major people who brought the ideas forward and a little bit of personnel history some cases of them and also a little bit about the electoral framework where these ideas sometimes come from. So i'm ed gives you a chance to talk about darwin and wallace and on byron all the giants of the past who brought allusion door forefront but then also talk about people more recent generations who come up with the more recent evidence of some of them. I personally know. And so that's turned out to be very nice. Uil frame and i now four books in that series thinking about a title for a fifth in that test series as well. It's hard because i. I worry a little bit about covering too much old ground You and i've talked before right. What's the difference between a theory and a scientific theory right. we we have loosened. That's just a theory. I mean you know. I'm trying not to cover too much of that old ground but real fast. Evolution is just a theory how to respond to the creationist at sara. Yes the the word theory has a totally different meaning in science than it does. In the general public general public talked about theory talking about something that is wildly speculative theories of why jfk was assassinated. Scientists uses the theory for a overarching Explanation for hawaiian bride of evidence is the highest level of acceptance in science. So gravity is just a theory. And there's a germ theory of disease. Which of course right. Now we're experiencing with a worldwide pandemic. So those are theories to but nobody doubts that gravity occurs germs real. Well there are people who doubt those. I'm diabetic reasonable educated people and likewise evolution supported by amount of evidence. Just as much as gravity isn't just as much as germ theory diseases okay. We've done our due diligence. Then so i threw out just the most obvious probably arguably the most common question. One thing about your book. I didn't expect is that you sort of Jump out into the cosmos. Like i pictured you as a guy who sort of digging in the dirt and the rocks.
WWJD with Shelby Seelinger
"Today. Special guest is the author of do what jesus would do. Welcome to the show. Shelby ceiling Welcome thank you for having me. I appreciate you being here. Appreciated it so tell us a little bit about that book of yours. Well the book is a told my my wife when i finished it. It's the longest sermon ever written Back in back in the dark ages. When i was going to seminary was about the time that W w j d what would jesus do was making the rounds and write. A lot of conversations can seminary about that and i had a serving the church at the time and and we discussed it. A lot and i had several servings on it and i got to thinking about it and i said well. That's an interesting question. But what's the answer. So i took twenty plus years and and the last four years in in writing the book and and decided to finally answer the question And so that's the genesis for do what jesus would do taking it from a question and then putting it into action. What did you find out. I'm just dying to know well It's something. I had had preached on for a long time. And it's it's taking well it did was i took the beatitudes out of matthew. Five and just took that part of the the sermon. It's the that whole series of Verses and chapters is the largest single piece of Literature that we have that jesus spoke at one time. And i said well i can't do the whole thing so i wanted. I looked at it. And i decided that the beatitudes the heart of what jesus i think was really trying to tell us. This is how we should treat one another. you know. be kind to one another Help those who are less fortunate than ourselves and put into action. What jesus ministry was all about reaching out to others one person at a time. So you've taken this one sermon. This one on speaking of jesus and this is this is what you are politics for these jets. They always at the same time. I'm recording if taken this one sermon and this is this is how you are viewing. Jesus you're taking this and this is going to be your Interpretation of his character is and and and you're taking you blessed are the poor or the meek and and people who suffer essentially exactly exactly and I cover a couple of other things. In in the book you know the the power prayer And those kind of things and if if you look back in if you're if you study the words that The bible uses blessed be. I mean that's a blessing. So jesus is really saying you know you're blessed if you if you do these things so that's that's really you know. Today is all about getting something out of it. Not just doing something we seems like. We have to rewarded when i was a kid Mom and dad would say if you clean up your room you can go out to play or you know nowadays if if you If you meet your quota at work then you get a bonus that by doing what jesus asks us to do. We are blessed in ways beyond just getting to go out and play or get a bonus from work.
#514 - Christian Biochemist vs. David C. Smalley
"I've spent the last several weeks almost back to back episodes really dealing with donald trump dealing with politics fact checking conspiracy theories around stolen elections and fraud and all sorts of craziness. And i think it's time to get into something. A little less controversial like religion never thought. I'd have to say that on this show but i'm excited about doing it and it looks like for those of you wondering all this time that i've been dealing with politics. You know pretty much nonstop since the election. And you're like hey are you gonna. Do you ever talk about religion again. Look i've worked out something with clare. Who's my executive assistant on the show. And here's the plan. The idea is every thursday. I will talk with a christian. And every sunday i will do some sort of political or atheist st type episode with michael regilio will bring on an author. We'll talk politics or something like that. It will try to split the difference because most of you tend to like that combination of the two right so for those of you. Who just you know. Hate the political stuff fine or you live overseas where things are peaceful and you have competent leaders fine. You don't have to deal with our nonsense. It's not a requirement to listen to the show anyway So for the most part we're going to be doing a little bit of both And that's the idea now. I'm already breaking the rule next sunday. Because we're doing back to back christians. Michael virgilio may join me. But there's actually a christian listener of this program. That i saw on another show and i was okay. I'd love to talk to him. Turns out he's already a fan of the show so we're gonna be talking with him next week But yeah there's going to be a lot more of the religious conversations sprinkled with the politics so stick around and again if you want full extended versions of the show No ads in the show. Patriots dot com slash. David c smalley. That's where it's at A while back on this show. I did one of those episodes register did we did one of my own rants by myself studio. It was episode four. Eighty one for anyone who wants to go. Listen to that forty one. It was called christian science quiz versus david. C smalley that was from an organization called reasons to believe and finally through many scheduling things. And and cancellations. We were able to make our schedules come together. And i'm finally able to talk with the executive vice president of reasons to believe holding a phd in biochemistry fuzz fuzz. Thanks so much for joining me today. I appreciate it david. Thanks for having me. It's looking forward to the conversation. Cool so i wanna start off by saying you know it's not like i'm going to replay all that episode and bring up a bunch of stuff that i disagreed with and try to make you answer for that. That's not the goal of today and that was a quiz that was put out. I don't know if you have anything to do with that stuff or not. But i'm more interested in your science background in trying to figure out how you make science sense of religion because to me the to class you think the to come together. Does that sound fair to you. We'll sounds fair. Fantastic so Give us a little bit about that. About why i guess you know in. You can mix in some of your background if you want. I know that you've got a phd in biochemistry and we tend to hear this this thing. It's passed around quite a bit in these sort of skeptic shows and blogs and such to say things like you know ninety ninety three percent or ninety seven percent i forget of scientists are atheist or agnostic. So when we come across someone who has a phd in biochemistry yet also believes jesus rose from the dead and ascended to heaven. It makes those of us who consider ourselves logical. Scratch our head and go how can guy. That's so science based and intelligence still believe an educated by the way because statistics show that the more education you receive the less likely you are to be religious so it sort of makes us scratch our head and go hey. This guy is kind of a unicorn no pun intended He's a little unique out there. So so talk a little bit about your background and just the basis of how you kind of make the so make sense. Yeah and the fact of the matter is you know. I'm not that necessarily unique. So there's a herd of unicorns if you will they're you know they're You know i work for an organization as you mentioned called reasons to believe which is an organization that looks at interplay. The the intersection between science and the christian faith and we have a lot of people that work with our organization as volunteers who are extremely impressive individuals in terms of their scientific academic and professional accomplishments. Who you know are scientists and also men and women of faith and so there's a greater number of us out there. I think people would like to believe and you know we all share very similar perspectives. On how science and faith can integrate with each other. So i guess i'm not that that unusual or that you need but you know to me my i guess my journey for lack of a better way to describe it really begins when i'm a graduate student going into graduate school. I wasn't agnostic. I didn't know if god existed. I honestly could cared less. You know. I just was interested in becoming a biochemist. And was you know enamored with the world of molecules inside the cell and it was really through a deep dive into biochemistry as a graduate student that i became just fascinated with the nature of biochemical systems. They are so elegant and sophisticated. There's an ingenuity to the way the system these systems work and so i began to ask the question. How do scientists really Account for these types of systems. This is the origin of life problem and as a graduate student. I began to kind of study. The origin of life on the side and quickly came to the personal conviction. That i that doesn't seem like chemistry and physics along can produce these kinds of systems and so to me. It looked as if again there was a mind behind everything and that that of course triggered questions like who is that. That creator if you will in. How do i relate to that creator if at all in. That was a separate journey that culminated in my conversion to christianity. So to me. I would say that part of the reason i feel as if you know science and faith go together as i actually see design in the in the biological realm and that designed to me suggests the designer. Okay that's understandable. that's that's that's interesting so I guess we'll just jump pass all the individuals unless let's just get right to the the elephant in the room. Because i think you know people listening tend to go one of two ways either. They're a believer and they say clearly. Dna looks like co. there must be a coder You know these things are so complex. We can't fathom it therefore there must be a designer and that is the believing side and the other side tends to say well. We don't know what happened. And it's it's a bit of a god of the gaps argument to say well since we don't know therefore the answer must be god in. That skips a lot of potential Because if you look throughout history there were thousands of god's proposed when human humanity didn't understand something right it was this thing seems magical and now we understand at thunder right. Lightning the sun moving across the sky crops growing up from the ground.
#513 - Republican Congressman vs. David C. Smalley
"Before we get started today. I want to share that. Donald trump put out a statement earlier. Written statement says in light of reports of more demonstrations. I urge that there must be no violence no lawbreaking and no vandalism of any kind. That is not what i stand for. It's not what america stands for. I call on all americans to help ease. Tensions and calm tempers further. He issued an emergency declaration for the nation's capital amid growing concern with local law enforcement officers and violence leading up to this inauguration that the declaration is going to allow the department of homeland security and federal emergency management agencies to coordinate with local law and for a local law enforcement authorities as needed and just moments ago as we were about to record this podcast. Donald trump put out this statement. My fellow americans. I want to speak to you tonight. About the troubling events of the past week as i have said the incursion of the us capital struck at the very heart of our republic. It angered and appalled me of americans across the political spectrum very clear. I unequivocally condemn the violence that we saw last week. Violence and vandalism have absolutely no place in our country and no place. In our movement making america great again has always been about defending the rule of law supporting the men and women of law enforcement and upholding our nation's most sacred traditions and values mob violence goes against everything i believe in and everything are movement stands for no true supporter of mine could ever endorse political violence. No true supporter of mine could ever disrespect law enforcement or our great american flag no to supporter of mind could ever threaten or harass their fellow americans. If you do any of these things you're not supporting our movement you're attacking it and you are attacking our country. We cannot tolerate it. Tragically over the course of the past year made so difficult because of covid nineteen. We have seen political violence spiral out of control. We have seen too many riots. Too many mobs too many acts of intimidation and destruction. It must stop whether you are on the right on the left.
Yahweh is the Danger with Ed Burdette
"Today. Special guest is the host of the one year bible. Podcast ed bernadette. Welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. Thanks for coming on things for accepted the invite appreciate you being here man You tell us a little bit about your show. The one year bible podcast. It came out of an idea a few years ago Two thousand fifteen two thousand sixteen where. I decided that. I wanted to read through the whole bible and it was something that never done before and so i got one of those one year you read the bible in one year bible's divided up that way and i thought he good way to kind of keep myself going. If my energy and motivation was flagging would be to to try to make streak of it and record these Daily readings and just post them for anyone else might be interested and you know. I'm very thankful. I made it through the whole year and then just realized that. Hey this could be continue to be useful. And so that was Was late two thousand and sixteen when it started Into into two thousand seventeen in the last couple of years. I've added a friday. Devotional know a once a week type thing where we take a little bit of a deeper look into a part of that day's passage that winds up with reading through the bible in a year so So that's you know. That's the backstory to wear that that came from and it's really been a labor of love Ever since that first year you know. I haven't followed on posted the episodes but i haven't followed on with reading through in a year but have been Just really encouraged. I think to to keep going with it. And i've gotten just just Used every so often the a wonderful email from someone saying how it helps them encourage damage. Shine some light on something. That was helpful So yeah that's That's where that podcast came from. That's also i listen to one I think it was one more. Ma more recent ones and the way you read through is it's so fluid and and wonderful honestly. I can't even get through my intro without screw up ten times. I don't know how you're doing. And do do i do i do edit So world or gag or or something That doesn't make the final cut. Well you know. I mean i i understand that i i. There's another guy who does a youtube stuff. Bible says what guy. He doesn't same kind of thing he does a little videos and whatnot with it Did you start off on genesis. Because i know you do three separate different verses Read from three time. that's it yeah so So the the beginning of each year does start out a reading from genesis so delayed the way this particular one year. Bible's divided up. You do a reading from the old testament reading from the new testament a bit of a bit of a song. Maybe a wholesome and some proverbs and you that every day so in In in january you find yourself in genesis working through and then by the end of the year you know in the new testament revelation and Yeah that's how it works through. And they were lots of different plans that were through lots of different ways. And you know pros and cons to I think all of them and so this is just one that worked out well and Yeah but that's that's how it's all set up interesting definitely interesting way of doing it Backing the longtime ago. When when i was a believe i never actually sat down to read the bible and that was definitely one of the things that opened. My eyes was sitting down and reading it. It was it was like going through. Genesis was difficult for me I had a hard time connecting the dots and whatnot. Is there anything that you've read so far with your journey through since you hadn't done before or anything so far that you've had an issue with food there are lots of things that you know i'll be reading. I'll think i don't. I don't understand something that i'm reading And i think. I mean that must come up for. I have imagined for anyone reading the bible. I mean reading it from this distance in time away and and the end of the great cultural distance away. There must be things i would. I would have seen him Anyone in any culture today reading it would just say this is something that is strange or i don't understand and so at that at that moment i think that's just like a very Kind of a decisive. A decisive moment. There where it's what. What am i responsible leads. You know to that to that. Like i don't get it And you know off the top of my head. I'm not thinking of anything where it's like man you know. This is something where i really. I really struggled with this. I really Just don't connect with it or don't see how it is that way What what i've learned to do you know. I think i think honestly like part of this journey of wanting to read through the bible was really Is really about trying to get to know. God better and so this this sense of okay. God is someone who i can talk to I can you know. That's that's prayer. And so if. I'm if i'm reading something that that is in the bible that you know i believe is god's word and it's something that i don't get i mean there are there are people who are older and wiser than me say things run just like i don't know about that and and and yet and yet at some point it comes to like you know you've got more Years on the trail and You know there's there's i i've seen you i've seen you be trustworthy in the past and so even though i don't get necessarily what you're saying now i can kinda go along with this. Okay i trust you as a person
I Left Because
"I've got a project you might want to be involved in. If you escaped a religion or faith culture or cult this broadcast is wrapped around the hashtag. I left because it's a hashtag popularized by chrissy stroup. I've been posting a lot of her stuff lately. Because i've been such a big fan. She's going to join me to help. Set up the rest of the show and just a few minutes. But i'm going to do a video montage as well if you want to tell in just a few minutes your story. About how and why escaped you got out. You crawled out of the cocoon and you wanna talk about how that happened. And maybe give a message to the people who are still trapped in it record a short video. Make sure the audio and the lighting is good or as good as you can get an email that clip or google drive or dropbox it. Or whatever to seth at the thinking atheist dot com. Let's call the deadline for submissions. The last day of the month january thirty first. Twenty twenty one. I can't guarantee. I will be able to use every submission. But i'll use as many as i can and i will take those and i'm going to create kind of a montage of stories from our listeners for video released to youtube in the coming weeks.
Christian Debate Champion vs. David C. Smalley
"My guest today is really going to take me back to a debate. I had A few months ago with randall. Rouser known as the tentative apologised where we talked about is is it rational to believe in christianity order the christian faith. Rational and. I'm excited to have him today. So please join me. In welcoming cooper right here to the podcast he cooper. Thanks for joining me today. Thank you david for having me on so in the pre show you were telling me you actually heard that debate that i had with randall right. Yeah so i was a little frustrated by both of our performances. In that debate to be honest with you felt like we kept talking past one another. I didn't feel like i was able to get my point across. He kept sort of the thing with randall. And i like him by the way. We follow each other on twitter. We share a lot of the same political views. I like randall. But being in like a match with him or some sort of discussion like that specifically some sort of formal debate. He tends to want to be the wrath. While he's fighting and throw a bunch of flags and say that i'm committing fallacy and a fallacy of rather than dealing with the actual discussion. And i i find that frustrating. Sometimes and i felt like. That's what kept happening. He kept telling me that. I was arguing for something. I wasn't arguing for. He wasn't really adhering to rappaport rules and it was it like an uphill battle to me but What did you think of the discussion david. I'll tell you one of the sympathies. Have with a lot of debate. Is one of the things that i met can be. Frustrating about debating is is. They often like to have very elaborate answers to a question that should have a pretty simple response whether that be a yes or no question or something that that is more directly related to the question you asked instead. They might have a habit of where they wanna about something else. So it can circle to something different. So i i kinda saw some of that going on debate. Which is where. I kinda sympathize with your position. Navigating that Of course you know. I do like randall as well I think he has some phenomenal ideas But i i understand why you probably would have been frustrated by some of that debate. I think my biggest thing. And if i were talking to him by the way i would say the same thing so i'm not you know. This is all public eye problem. Saying what i would say to randall but In fact i was getting ready to do a charity. Thing and randall jumped all over in wanted to be a part of it was going to help me raise money for someone. He's he's an absolutely one. Forgot that the thing that the curveball. I couldn't get around. Seemed to be that i kept saying. The belief itself is an irrational belief. Because it's never happened before know dead people. Don't come back to live and die if you have faith. That's fine say it's on faith but to say it's rational doesn't make sense. He would then say. You are calling christians irrational and i kept saying no no no. I think rational people can occasionally have things that they believe. That are irrational. Without making the person as a whole an irrational person they they with rationality day in and day out. They walked to their cars. They put their key in their door before they open. They don't just repeatedly tried to walk through it and say something's wrong with my door. They use rationality all the time. And i felt like he was trying to make. It seem as though i was attacking a people. When in fact i was just saying the idea itself doesn't follow basic logic and reason and i hope i made myself clear in that but from randall's responses in the moment that it didn't seem like i was successful in doing so. Yeah so on that particular issue when you look at. Is it rational to believe something whether or not someone is rational or irrational. Doesn't really matter what matters is the way they come to such belief rational And so you know. In that position out of argued why think a believing in a resurrection would be rational Or why come to that conclusion. Be rational in order to disprove the point. Okay so so so before before we get into that Tell us a little bit about you. What is your background. What is your denomination In in how how did you get involved with things like this. Like reaching out to even you know here an a podcast or to be an atheist speaks with believers like like. How did you find me. Are you a part of an apologetic ministry. Like what's your what your story so probably one of the more significant qualifiers for myself if you would is did collegiate. Debate didn't high school to for about five years. And i've won two national competitions in debate so my overall personality is one that likes to be a to likes to question who likes to discuss in. Who has an earnest desire to figure out what is true. And what's false. So you're you're in literal debate champion. Yes yes says. I've won two national titles as a as someone who did debate. Yeah
Progressive Influencer vs. David C. Smalley
"Today we're gonna talk with a content creator. I'm gonna kinda give you some behind the scenes of what goes on in creating content on multiple platforms but then we also have a little bit of a disagreement. And i want to dive into that too and again had those nuanced conversations that you've come to love as part of this podcast so without further ado let me go ahead and bring on the guest. Please join me in welcoming bun daddy to the podcast. It's look. I told you it was going to be cheesy applause. Remember i said that. i'm elliott. Yeah you're familiar. What i've been around. Yeah that's the podcast. That's you know for some reason. I've i space that for just a second and let me just so so let me. Just tell people how i found you. I i came across one of your videos on. Tiktok was life changing for me. it really was. It had a had a major impact on me and it was really empowering should say and then so i followed you on tiktok you have a huge following and it kept growing and kept growing up over six hundred thousand followers or something and at one point you went live and i joined your live and i heard you say oh david smalley just joined and i was like she knows who are you and how do you do and then we started. We started talking. And you're like is listen to the show. I devoured countless hours of the show and probably still scratch the surface because countless hours. Listen to one episode. that's you. I can count them usually about two or three but so how'd you remember how you found the podcast and was like a super long time ago. Yeah no it was. When i was. I had just had my deacon conversion experience from my christianity. And i was literally on whatever podcast app i was using. I searched different Buzzwords like atheism. And i there were a couple of different secular and search for dogma and yours came up as dogma debate back when it was dogma debate and i kind of like i thank my teeth into it because it was so it was ground level. It wasn't anything that i had to really have a lot of. You know like. I had understanding both sides of things but it was an unintimidated thing to approach as opposed to many other things that i had experiences right. That was that was kind of the goal. And that was the goal when i wrote my book to every atheist stuff. I found anything that was either atheist based or christian based or debate related. It was a lot of times. It was really intimidating. It was really. It was like richard dawkins level big words on top of big words on top of concepts on top of things. Like solipsism and methodological naturalism and part of me would just kind of glaze over and go. I don't i mean. I'm sure these aren't complicated subjects but it it didn't feel inviting and so i intentionally wrote my book in a way that would be inviting in and created my show to be the same way. So it's it's great to know that that that it did have that effect. Oh absolutely i mean it was definitely the first kind of it was the first big like involvement or investment. I had in anything in atheist community alongside a couple of other ones that i kind of pieced together and picked and pulled from different episodes of podcasts. But this was the one that i had playing over and over and over while i worked so cool brings a huge mall my face thank you for that. And it's it's kind of crazy because you know that had an impact on you. I'm honored i'm flattered him so glad that that happened and without even knowing that i found you and you had an impact on me in my personal life and so the fact that we were able to connect and now i've become friends is just just a wonderful sort of closing the full circle within the universe. it's it's really a beautiful thing and i have. I finally found the original video. I found of yours now. A lot of people out there may be thinking. Yeah i scroll through tiktok. Sometimes it's just a bunch of teenagers dancing and it's stupid. Unfortunately that is the case for a portion of the app. But that's there's so much more on tiktok. There are so many Political movements and you know people just inspiring each other and thought experiments and magic tricks and skills to learn if you want you use the app for a while. It starts to learn your behaviors in learn what you like and if you do the right things and like the right things it will guide you to really really good content and and. I'm glad that i did that. So i want to play the video that i that i found of yours. That made me a fan. Okay this is. This is deep stuff. And it's just so it's so insightful. And i feel like it. It's it's so palatable in a way that it is generic yet specific enough that if this is happening in someone's life they can definitely Apply it in the right areas that that's what's so great about it so i'm gonna play the message right now. He co q. something. I learned in boating school ak therapy and books. We've all heard people say you teach people how to treat you. And basically what that means is you are responsible in your relationships for establishing and enforcing boundaries that other people have to follow in order to maintain access to you. Those are really key distinction here. And that's the difference between responsibility and if a meteor lands on my car and decimates it. I'm not faults. I didn't do anything. But i'm still responsible for getting myself. New car or mode of transportation because taking responsibility is not the same as accepting blame and the same goes for relationships you are responsible for setting and enforcing your own boundaries. But you are not at fault for someone's actions overstepping those boundaries. You teach people how to treat you by taking on the responsibility of revoking access to you when they don't respect your boundaries. You don't teach people how to treat you by accepting fall for things that other people do.
"I remember being in first year university. And encountering feminism in a new way. I'd heard the mutterings of it around my home. My dad was deeply involved in feminist. And the intersection between mental health and the oppression of women and it was in my first year university that i started reading. Feminist writers reading about feminists thought and really starting to develop my own relationship with the movement. And i came across the work. Of course of the second wave feminists who were advocating largely for women's right to work outside the home and it was thrilled about this idea. That perhaps floored by it. That it had always been that way really starting to wake up to inequality and i remember having a conversation with my professor one of my professors who said. Don't you understand the limitation of that facet of the movement. Don't you understand that. Class and employment and race and socioeconomic status are all deeply woven into each other that disability capi separated that race can't be separated from this push for employment for women. And i remember feeling perhaps strack that i'd missed this and this professor went on to say you're missing something important about the work of equality. If you're missing that a community and entire community of people particularly black women were not advocating to work. Outside the home they had been forced to for generations in slavery and that they and their ancestors had been exploited. And so there's a. There's a discrepancy between the feminist movement. And this call to examine culture as it intersects with gender and that really blew openness identity for me of a more complex way of understanding. The person and oppression. I understand the privilege that i have in having to learn about that in a higher education context and what the limitations of that our for me and not having learned about it sooner but that really began my interest in reading woman's writers understanding a more complex way as i said of understanding the person but also of this movement towards liberation. So i wanna toss it to nikki. I'm i love to hear your thoughts on on woman. As what is women ism. That term might be familiar for a lot of our listeners. And foreign for some of them to can you tell us how you understand it and why it matters. Yes so When i think of woman ism i of it i contextualize it with feminism or put it next to feminism because feminism is an easy reference. Most of us know what that is happening idea of it or have Heard the term in may even have some feminist thou us Whether we acknowledge him or not. But whereas feminism tinge to Really just always compare itself. Compare women to men woman ism doesn't at all woman ism Is women loving women that is specifically in exactly what it is. It's about women's to other women specifically black women In our relationship to each other. And so when we're having conversations within women's on really addressing men we are not factoring them in really. They're not a part of the conversation. That's not to say that they're not important. Beings within society are within the family structure. Or you know whatever community where in but that's not what the conversation is about so you know will will talk about addressing the needs of the most disenfranchise most marginalized Oppressed person Woman ism will address a reproductive justice. woman is Is conversations about how we're caring for each other and how we're you know what we're doing within our communities To see to it that everyone is taking care of
Witches and Demons and Priests, Oy Vey
"Every buddy. Hi, guys well from unseasonably chilly Salt Lake. CITY UTAH. It's thank God i May theus. podcast I'm Frank Kelvin and I'm Dan Beecher and coming up today Dan. We've got an interview with Andrew Gold. podcasters documentary guy journalist. T. TV percent presenter for the BBC really and all around fascinating cat. Yeah. who is going to tell us uh spooky ghost story. On goes he's GonNa tell us a spooky demon story. So even better than. That works for Halloween, which, of course, it is today. ooh. there. What what what's your bet? We'll anybody come to your door wanting candy. I'M GONNA GUESS NOT Not where I live. Yeah. But like probably very few trick or treaters in general because know. Tis Net. Now, you could get something really spooky like a global pandemic disease. So, there is that. But before we before we we talked to Andrew. We gotta get to some news. Dan's some stuff that happened this week. Big Old world out there. I've got a story about some some witches trying to do something about all that trying about trying to trying to help out in the World Oh. Okay. Trying to normally think. And we're things once went wrong. Okay. Yeah, this last Friday. Thousands of witches across the country. decided to cast a binding spell on Donald Trump. And ensuring his failure in the upcoming election in just a couple of days actually. Oh my gosh. So that sounds time. I hope I. Hope it works. Slow. Sometime you know. What's the thing about? Strange bedfellows. But nonetheless. Yeah I. Apparently. The you know which is have been working against trump even before he was elected the first time I remember there being a story about about them trying this that first election. I not overly confident that they're going to be able to succeed judging by their their past record. I don't know. Well, I mean according to this Article Damn that I have pulled up the number of which is in the country has been on the rise. So if it's a numbers game, they probably have a better chance than ever Yeah researchers looking back. You know to nineteen ninety estimated that there were only eight thousand wiccans in the United States. As of two thousand, fourteen, that's not you know. It's not yesterday but the Pew Pew Research Center. Estimated there were somewhere between one and one point five million wiccans or pagans in country. This is Dan I mean that's good margin of error for them, half a million people but. I'm just GONNA. Say I think that that right there those statistics are proof that the Internet's a bad thing. What the people have. There's so many more people calling themselves, which is at this point shut up. I mean unfortunately. I. Don't WanNa make too much fun of of which is or make it too personal but I know of at least a couple women here in Salt Lake who were out casting spells this weekend. Getting which I don't know if it was I don't I don't actually have a lot of details about whether they were participating this, but I would assume so but I think that that there's something interesting for happening in a country right when you go from eight thousand. Thirty years ago right to possibly a million and a half. Five years ago, right? Wow. Like there's something you don't know what people. Obviously there's a disenchantment with religion in general right and so this is maybe spiritual but not religious type thing right where people are Kinda, they wanNA feel a connection. Right. And I think to be honest. It's kind of fun I mean. It feels like it might be a little feminist in ways right absolutely and and so and I do think that that's part of the draw of of wicca is that it is a feminist or or or at least a woman positive in which in the religious world is vanishingly rare. So I'm I'm all for it on that front. It's just. I would love to see like numbers on Wicca, and how many wiccans Like are genuinely believers in these spells and stuff and how many just think of it as like you say, kind of fun. Yeah. I mean. But if nothing else they're really freaking out the Christians which I think is fantastic.
"Hi everybody. Hi guys well from somewhere in Oregon and Salt Lake City Utah. It's thank God I'm atheist the podcast I'm mark and I'm Dan and. Mark Hello pay there now. You're not frank, I'm I'm not anymore. I have emerged like a butterfly from Christmas. From the Frank Shelf Christmas and the Frank. No thanks. That's right Thank you so much for coming on and and help out you you who have helped out here before but are also my co host over on the how do heretic. As much as well as other things I, guess you sure you've in the in the world not that I pay any attention. To the most important stuff Yeah. Unfortunately, I was going out of town and frank was going to have to find a replacement for me. And then, and then frank came down with some horrible apparently non-co vid disease. And and I had to fill in last as far as we know, frank does not have the Rona. Dead. Yeah it seems. It seems as though he is negative though false negatives have occurred in the world. So but anyways, prayers in that seed money coming in. Yes exactly basically, the only way to save him is to is to send us a all of your money. On the television screen, we'll tell you how to do that a later in the program also later in the show you and I are going to have a discussion about persecution privilege. And There's a difference between those two things and points and purpose purpose qwerty. So the four pence perspicacity yeah, which is also Yeah. I anyway, we'll get to all of that later on but in but first, why don't you tell me one of your stories I understand that you've come prepared with with stories to tell the kids you know me I'm already I've got a pocketful of magic for everybody so. This, this will probably relate a little bit to our discussion later in the show. Daniel Okay and this is an older article, but it's been making the rounds again because of reasons. Okay. Yeah. It's an article in the Atlantic by Emma Green and it's about. You know the most most persecuted people in America and those would be. Christians. Of course, they will let me. Let me read a couple of excerpts from the article here in. Many. Many Christians. Believe they are subject to religious discrimination in the United States new report from the Public Religion Research Institute and Brookings. Offers evidence. Almost half of Americans say discrimination against Christians is as big of a problem as discrimination against. Including blacks and minorities. Three quarters of Republicans and trump supporters said this. This article is like a year and a half old. So imagine it's much higher now. And so did nearly eight out of ten White Evangelical Protestants of the latter group six and ten believed that although America wants was a Christian nation, it is no longer a huge jump from twenty twelve. Forty, six percent of those surveyed said immigration from Mexico and Central America has been too high in recent years. Yeah. When asked the same question about immigrants from predominantly Christian countries though only ten percent of people said immigration has been too high. The irony in this is essentially the same question phrase student as Latin American countries are overwhelmingly Christian. Right. All those all those non-catholic Mexicans that are coming over our border. Yeah exactly. Well, who didn't Alex Jones we talk about Alex Jones saying that Mexico was run by a bunch of white shoes at one point but. You know. So Then to kind of conclude. While the US, is still a nation of faith with roughly seventy one percent of adults identifying some kind of Christian. Religious organizations of all kinds are struggling with lower levels of attendance declining participation in ritual practices. More and more people say they're not part of any religion and this is especially true of young people in their twenties and early thirties with you. Guys if religious believable believe their institutions are declining, which demographically speaking they are they may feel more threatened by what they perceive as the growing numbers of people in the country who have a different kind of faith. There's evidence of this in the strongest style. Many people seem to feel for the past and allusive time when Americans felt more of a consensus about their values and beliefs strong majorities. Evangelical Protestants in White Catholics believe America has changed for the worse since the nineteen. Fifties. So off the one, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty s Jim crow women knowing their place raging cold war nuclear arms race the good old days as Back Yeah back when we could win when everybody's lives were so much better. So this is a lie that just will not die. Like this Christian persecution complex Oh. My God it is amazing and we're GONNA get to more of it. We're going to expound on later in the show like you alluded to but my God it is. It's astounding at what's really funny is. The Christians believe that it is a due to outside influence that everything's getting so bad. Not at not at all acknowledging that, no dude, the calls coming from inside. Right. He's leaving. You are doing this. Yeah. First of all. It's not true that you're being persecuted but part about right believing. You're doing that. Yeah exactly because you're persecuting. They're not leaving because the world outside of Christianity looks. So enticing your leaving because the world inside of Christianity is a an abusive health gape. Maybe work on that you
Christian Minister vs. David C. Smalley
"Join me in welcoming who you may know as Cathy Taylor is dead but I promise you he has his own name welcome Dave fogged rude to the show Dave. How are you? Hey. Can you hear me? Okay I can hear you just fine you sound great. Good. Thank you for that introduction brother. Hey, how you doing man? You you know the way I. Look at it every day as a gift David and I'm doing good. I mean I've been through a few things Virus going and everything but I'm doing good good. So you're feeling good you kicked it and you'll set. Yup. Yup Our all set. The symptoms ended up to last for a while but. I seem to be back to normal. Really we I got my wife and I back the end of May May like Memorial Day weekend thing. Yep. While did it require hospitalization or did you guys just stay at home or? Well actually it did require hospitalization. My wife got so sick I didn't think I was out sick I had already been sick and really hurting my muscles and everything but she got so bad that she said, I think I better go to the Er and when I got her there, her oxygen level was down to fifty five. And I didn't know. They don't hustle that I. Know It. That's really low. So she was on that we went in and within the hour they took her by ambulance up to Madison and put an ICU for a week and then she spent the next week in a normal room. Through, this treatment stuff you know. Had to be rough when he goes. Here. I am sitting in the car I didn't realize that she was going to be going to Madison from Beloit and. I thought well I'll go why am I sitting here on my so go myself checked I get to the door and they found my temperature was one hundred and three soul I've never had that happened before. So, anyway, I spent most of the night in Er and started got doctored up and went home and took care of my dog and a few days later, I went in for a week Yep Yep. I'm so thankful the multi goes pulled through. That's really cool. It's yeah I'm glad you. Say This my wife's auctioned level was so low that they wanted to intubate her with that Whatever you call. I forget what you call the intimate you but she refuses she's a nurse and she said no way I'm not going to have that to don my lungs and they said, well, we'll have to do something else and sure enough they were able to put on a high oxygen high volume oxygen mask and. It helped her she pulled through. So is that the thing that they later found out is actually kind of bad for covert patients whenever they recycle that that air. Yet why it could be I. Do know this that her concern was if she's really got called it and you stick that thing down your throat and then into your lung, they're going to push that stuff more into your lungs and She's pretty smart nurse you know. Goodman. I'm glad you guys made it through really am that's fantastic. So I guess the big question that that that my listeners have that I have for you right off the bat is. How in the world did such a wonderful guy? Raise such a potty mouth because Kathleen Taylor let me tell you I mean beep beep right I know I. Love my daughter with all my heart. I don't appreciate her body I. Don't see the need for it but You know she's kind of adopted that as part of her vocabulary. Yes. We love it man to be honest with you over here. It's like to be real. Don't get me wrong. I get it I get it. She's she's so unique in more than anything. I'll say all religious beliefs aside I mean it. You know if more humans just in general had the love and care in their heart that Kathy does. There would be no need for this show. I, mean her just the way she treats people in loves people is just inspiring everybody atheist Christian whatever. So you did something right and she's doing good for the world even if you disagree with her sometimes you know. Oh we only disagree on certain items, but I love her with all my heart and I would give my life for her she's amazing she's gifted and She's full of love and compassion, and what more can you ask for you know? All right. So Chris, she's a Christian. Okay. I'll take your word for. That one. So so let's so let's dive into that. So what what branch of Christianity what what flavor are usually like to say were you raised in were what was your of your faith as a child? Well. I feel really blessed because I was raised in a loving family and I was raised in a more of an evangelical type of environment grew up in even jellicoe free. Church which is a very. It's not it's not. It's not extreme liberalism. It's not like legalisms legalistic. It's It's a well balanced church, but it doesn't compromise the scriptures and It's a good sound upbringing I had and my mom and dad. Demonstrated love and. You know and I think they they had been through things I didn't realize like my mom had at least one. WHO's Gon? WHO's now gone but who was an alcoholic for six months out of the year and the other six months? He was up preaching you know. So I mean, all I'm saying is I think they learned to look beyond somebody's faults and see their needs, and that's what I like to do. Do you think that's what Jesus would do you think do you think religion is -quired required for that? I think that there's a lot of good people in the world who do not claim to be a Christian or do not do not claim to believe in Jesus. Good people but. So there's people that have compassion and love and. And even even though they don't claim to be religious per se. So I mean apparently you can be a good but. I I always reflect on the importance of. Faith and because the Bible says that you know we're not saved. By being good but by the grace through by God's grace through faith. Well. What I'm getting at is You know. If if people can be good without religion. And people can be good with religion. It seems like people can just be good with their without religion. So then I ask what's the point in religion if we can do well without it? Yeah, well, you call it religion and I'm not. I mean religion is. Man responsible trying to reach God but I'm more into the relationship thing where Scott reaching down to man. I believe that will we're all centers even good. People are centers you know okay.
The Brainwashing of my Dad (with documentary filmmaker Jen Senko)
"My mother thinks that rush limbaugh. Yoda you know what? Saying? She's always saying well, rush limbaugh says. Our rush had a great monologue. It was just on point. Oh it's he so tuned into the Culture Rush Limbaugh g listen to rush limbaugh the other day and of course I know I don't listen to rush limbaugh. I did fifteen years ago. You know I was a Ditto head actually read for you a chapter about right wing radio on the broadcast I read it out of my book couple of weeks ago. But I wanted to come back to this because I feel like it's Really been on my mind and it's hugely relevant in today's culture. We've got a whole group this graphic of these pulpit pounding Bible Banging, rush, limbaugh right, Wing Radio Listening Evangelical 's right the Christian Nationalists and they're screaming the name of God is they use their religion just to be Shitty to other people. May I've noticed that about a lot of these guys limbaugh Michael Savage, etc. they're just nasty people. They are always being cruel to other people there pushing buttons because they can. They're stoking the fires of outrage and they sit back and bask in the ratings and the advertising dollars and. All the way to the bank. There's this I think it's a myth that rush limbaugh is himself a Christian. I. Know He likes to speak the language of Christianity. I'm not convinced the Guy Cares at all about the Bible or religion of any kind and back I'd love to sit them down and give him like a sixty second Bible quiz just to see how much he really in fact I'd like to sit most the evangelical 's in power. Donald. Trump I'd like to give him a Bible quiz. Let's just sit down and let me quiz you for a couple minutes. Betsy Devos loved to talk to her Ben Carson Rick, Perry all these people in government are banging their. Bibles I would love to sit them down and asked him basic questions about their faith. But that's a whole other conversation. Today's conversation is with the director and producer of a film called the brainwashing of my dad, an ambassador father who SORTA got sucked in to this rush limbaugh right-wing Radio Christian, nation, kind of narrative focusing at the very least and narrative that sort of others, non-christians, sort of sets them off in their own little box while the moral righteous people are sitting over here. Now, the film itself is not new. It's been out for a few years but I referenced it in my book and I just it's been on my mind because. There is so much of this going on and right-wing radio. I don't think it's ever been more popular. There's video of this conversation. I am going to play some clips from the documentary during the broadcast. These clips add a few extra layers. So you can kind of hear the angle that she's taking Gen Sankoh Director of the documentary film, The brainwashing of my dad. So glad you're here. Hi Seth, it's nice to be here. Give me like a resume real fast the types of work that you've done before the brainwashing my dad. Sure. Will I started out as an artist and a painter? But then I felt like I wanted to reach a wider audience and I just started making films but they were always sociopolitical. The Sue. The first one was roadmap warrior women about really independent women that I met out west and then the second was was. co-director with fury derosa the vanishing city. About the lecture vacation of New York City. But also how it's happening throughout the world and cities coming less affordable and right now I'm writing a book. Also called the brainwashing of my dad. Got Picked up by source books so I can always tell you more. Fun, I mean. Let's go back to your dad. You didn't grow walk in this sort of right wing I mean I know limbaugh started back in the eighties but I mean, you didn't come from that sort of hardcore conservatism. nope. Not at all my parents were what I guess. I would describe as very liberal, very open minded. They were Kennedy Democrats and they were also like FDR Democrats they came from the depression. So FDR them was a hero who pull them out of the depression they most remembered hoover and felt like he didn't do anything but they were really enthusiastic about. And I think they were quite devastated. When he was assassinated. But yeah, they were they were I would actually list describe them as hippies before hippies same. We're very open minded My Dad especially loved talking all different kinds of people very non judgmental. As you probably saw the film, you know one time in this is in the sixties. We came out and port. Authority. We're visiting New York. For the day and there was a a black homeless man and she US Monday for some money my dad called him Sir had a conversation with them. And gave them like a couple of coins or two, but you know so they kind of thing made an impression on me that. You know accept all people and jobs. You know he wasn't for they were judgmental national change later.