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A highlight from Are People Inherently Good?
"Our people inherently good. I know people are divided on this question. Hell, I'm divided on this question. Yes, most people are good people. No, I've totally lost faith in humanity. I felt both ways on this one, depending on the day, depending on the circumstance. I oscillate, optimism, pessimism, hope, despair, invigoration, exhaustion. Sometimes I just want to lock the door. All right, the world stays out there because I just can't cope. And I know you feel it. We've talked a lot about it. I just released my speech last week about how we might regain our humanity in an inhumane world, but will you indulge me today? This is kind of an unusual show. I'm not going to take any calls. I don't have any special guests. This is just me. Saying out loud, what I've been thinking. Maybe what you've been thinking about all of it. The whole wild, weird, occasionally exasperating, crazy mess. And I'm going to go to some dark places here at first. I'm going to go to some dark places and then I want to crawl back towards the light. And I know that my thoughts here, and this show may not be for everybody, but if you feel the darkness and you yearn for just a little bit of light, I'm going to do my best for you here, okay? I'm going to try to be thoughtful and fair and ultimately, yes. Hopeful. But it ain't easy, is it? What am I weary of? Well, I'm weary of the governors. My own governor, Kevin stitt, he just won his midterm, and then he immediately said a prayer of dedication of every square inch of Oklahoma to his specific God. Now just under half of this state has been designated Native American land. How must Oklahoma Native Americans feel about being told that they are now living in Jesus land? Same thing with Muslims, Jews, Hindus, and Sikhs, and atheists, or regardless of faith or no faith, people who believe in constitutional state church separation. How must they feel about this? Kevin stitt is using his bully pulpit to essentially call everybody who isn't part of his pet religion, a second class citizen. Same with Texas governor Greg Abbott, that guy is a nightmare. Florida, governor, Ron DeSantis, this man is almost certain to be the darling of Christian nationalists propped up for the presidency holy shit. Ron DeSantis, this man had the support of 60 percent of Florida residents, despite the fact that he's Ron DeSantis. The banner of books, the election denier, unless, of course, his party wins. The enemy of LGBT people, the enemy of reproductive choice, the man who cruelly ambushed and deceived, undocumented immigrants and then deported them to Martha's Vineyard, not telling them what was going on, not telling Martha's Vineyard. What was going on, he just did it, and then twirled his virtual mustache and ha ha ha ha. He showed them illegals. What a terrible human being. He might be president with the support of half of the United States. What? We have talked to death about Marjorie Taylor Greene. This woman is definitely like 15 French fries short of a happy meal. You know what I'm saying? Her elevator does not go all the way to the top. She is as dull as a sack of wet mice. This woman did not skate into her congressional seats for the midterm election, this time she actually got elected. I mean, last time she ran unopposed, so we thought, well, it's an anomaly. Nobody was there to oppose her. No, no. In 2022, people actually picked her. With 60 6% of the vote. This is the same woman who warned America about Nancy Pelosi running the gesta police against Republicans. Gazpacho police? She said that the Jews were flying space satellites over the state of California and secretly setting wildfires so that the libs could force through their climate legislation. It was all a big conspiracy. She railed against the equality act, the equality act that protects LGBT people. She said, no, she's against it because, of course, the Bible and she thinks that protecting non heterosexuals means in her words, the extinction of straight people. A few protect gay people, it must mean you want to wipe out straight people. This is how she thinks. Democrats and her mind are pedophiles. She believed and promoted the QAnon pizza gate myth. She once questioned that a plane even crashed into The Pentagon on 9 11, she wondered if the 2017 Las Vegas mass shooting, the massacre of 58 people, if he was just a liberal conspiracy for gun control, and on and on, Georgia district 14 chose this woman. They picked her. They said, I would like that. More, please. That's depressing. How does Colorado, zealot and Christian nationalist and conspiracy whack job Lauren boebert get elected? This woman who has the IQ of a crouton and her neck and neck race 50% of the vote for Colorado's district three. 50% of the vote? This is the same person who says that one of the reasons that we need guns is that, well, Venezuelans didn't have guns and now that's why they eat
A highlight from We Did Nazi That Coming #573
"Everybody. Hi, Friends. Well from chili Salt Lake City, Utah. It's thank God I'm atheist. The podcast. I'm Frank Thalmann and back from travels abroad. I'm Dan beecher. Oh, welcome back Dan. Thank you. And another big thanks to Rachel for sitting in last week. Yes. What a wonderful day. She did great. I just realized while we were talking right before the show that I didn't even introduce her last week. Sorry for the confusion, everyone. I haven't been replaced as yet. Though she did great, so maybe I should be. Oh, no, damn. No, no. No, never, never, ever. Founding member. Yeah, coming up on the show today, just everybody knows what to expect. There's this really unsettling rise of anti semitism. Going on in the world and in the United States right now. And the gay hatred and the trans hatred. Things are ratcheting up lots of hate going on. And we are going to find a way to make that funny. No, we're not. Anyway, we're going to talk about it for sure. That's what we're going to do. We'll see what happens. But first, first day on, can you believe it? We're getting to hear a lot about that, mister mister Trump, again. Yes. Oh yes. The Donald. Wow, put running, running for president again. For the third time, third time's the charm. Is that what they say? I don't think it's the third time. People say it's the third time. He ran before a little bit. He kind of floated a candidacy before 20. 16. But not for realsies. Right. Like it was clearly a publicity stunt the first time. It clearly a publicity stunt the second time. But then he accidentally won. Which ruined everything. Anyway, it's been very interesting to watch the response on the right. Since this announcement from Trump that he's going to try for it again. Because all of his former supporters are having to wrestle with the idea of supporting him again. And the political climate has obviously changed and the situation has changed. And they would have glad everyone who was supporting him lost their election. There's that. And yeah, just the poor showing for the Republicans and in the midterms and everybody questioning, are we on the right course? As a party and we all could have told you this a while back. Yeah. Absolutely not. Come to any of us. Literally, it's widely known on the left that you guys are wildly out of her. Literally terrified of you, people. Well, so some people are starting to position themselves. And a televangelist and president of the Christian life outreach international group, James Robinson, he's served as Robbie to his friends. He served as one of the spiritual advisers to Donald Trump while he was in office. That worked well. He was speaking at the meeting of the national association of Christian lawmakers. And the NaCL, which is obviously a conservative political group. And the focus heavily on social issues, they pledge to advocate for anti abortion policies and to uphold the sanctity of marriage. As a sacred union, exclusively between one man and one woman while they're still on that, we finished that one. We got over that one. No, they want to bring that one back. That's an oldie, but a goodie for them. It's a classic. You can't go wrong with the classics. Well, they need good issues to rally their people and abortion sort of they won, right? Not that. Not that it's settled at this point, but sir, they got what they wanted. And they need something else to the base feel a little too comfortable, satisfied, right? And grow complacent, they need to remind them about the gay marriage and wildly popular gay marriage, by the way. Right. But where was I going with this? Oh, Donald Trump. He was talking at this event and he spoke for a little while, just about conservative issues that were on his mind. And then he turned to the topic of Donald Trump. And danger. Danger. He said that he has the tendency to act quote like a little elementary school child. Oh. Oh, you can see that now, can you? Yeah. Oh, he noticed that. Apparently he saw that at the time, but I will get to that. If mister Trump can't stop his little petty issues, how does he expect people to stop major issues? Okay. Oh, and then he starts like he's on, he's on just going on and on and criticizing Donald Trump. Saying negative things about him, but then he sort of has to boast about himself. He says, everything you wanted him to hear. Remember he's talking to elected officials here, right? Every single little thing you ever prayed for him to hear came through these lips right straight into his face. Oh my gosh. And with the same force you've heard me talking to you, I spoke it to him. I guess he was really in a lather. And he said, sir, you act like a little elementary school child, and you should shoot yourself in the foot every morning you get up and open your mouth. The more you keep your mouth closed, the more successful you're gonna beat.
A highlight from What a Relief! #572
"Everybody. Hello. From Salt Lake City. It's thank God. I'm atheist. The podcast. I'm Frank. And I'm Rachel. And coming up on the show today. We're going to be talking on the second half about the election. The midterms and how wonderfully surprised and delighted I am. And I know just a couple of weeks ago, Dan and I were sort of bracing ourselves me maybe more so than even Dan for something awful. And I don't think awful happened. No. And so we're just going to run through a couple different aspects of the election. And yeah, like I said, that will be coming from the second half. But first, I have a little story here, Rachel. Okay. About a group of 30 people who got together in Chattanooga, Tennessee, to protest a drag queen brunch. Okay. Little theater there. Okay. It doesn't sound like it's a huge event. This was their first time attending a theater, a live theater. I imagine. Well, I mean, I'll let you be the judge. I'm showing you. It's like a biker crowd. I have a feeling they're not, I would supporters of the arts. But they definitely, I don't know what they support or don't support, but they definitely are not fans of drag. And they definitely don't like the idea. Then don't do it. The fact that this drag show was sort of an all ages event. Where. And this is kind of a thing right now. We're like, and it's a funny, I don't know. Whatever you want to do, that's great. And if you want to take your kid to a drag queen brunch or drag queen story hour at the local library, that great. That's your thing you're exposing your kid to sort of different people and fun things like when it's these all age events like the drag queens make it fun and appropriate. They know their audience. Exactly, right? But it's also such a strange line in the sand to be drawing in the culture wars. The stakes don't feel very high for me. What do you think? Well, people who are doing the drag queen brunches and story hours, all ages. They know that they're going to be drawing a negative reaction from a lot of people. Okay. Right. And like I just said, you have every right to do whatever you want to. But the people on the right who are opposing it, it feels like why the fuck do you want to control what people are doing? Why do you care? We live in a free country. You would be outraged if we told you what you could do with your kids. Absolutely. So on their side, that's a strange line to be going after because I thought the right was about personal freedom. Yeah. It turns out they're not. No. But then on the left, it's like, really, this is the hill we're going to die on. Right. Like they've clearly never met a drag queen because there's nothing more like grandmotherly and fun than drag queens. Yeah. Exactly. Anyway, here's some reaction from one of the protesters. He says, my objection is certainly very strong. They want to influence children to follow their lifestyle, their sins. My first solution would be that no one under 18 years old would be allowed at a drag queen event. Yeah, and I totally agree. If it's brunch, kids can't come. All parents need to know, no matter what the theme of the brunch, please. We need mimosas. We need wild jokes and fun. We're all hungover. We want to hear your kids. We've all been out the night before. So it's not, it's not about exposing kids. No, I want the drag queens around the kids. I just don't want kids at my brunch. Well, and I would love to just say to them, and just do a little thought experiment with them and just be like, well, so, okay, cool. Let's do that if you are fine with not letting kids into churches. I was just going to say that. No kids can agree to go to church till they're of an old enough years old. Suede and stuff. I mean, that's where I would take it. Absolutely. The protesters chanted things, including strong families, strong nation, and reclaim America, some signs were being held that said things like stop the abuse of children. None of this has anything to do with drag queens. Drag queens can be Americans. They have families. They're not abusing children. These people do not know what drag is. Get this one. Groom dogs, not children. Wow. Wow. First of all, what are you grooming this dog for? No, kidding, pervs. And so more than so on. Of course, quite the list of a very clever little things that they had to say. But I kind of drag is such a funny thing because it's such a such a big part of gay history in this country and in the world. And it plays a big part in gay culture. And at the same time, I don't know. How do you feel about drag? Is it like appropriation, gender appropriation? Something like those lines. Well, as a woman, I can speak to this. Well, I also think it's important. Did you think about this when you ask this question that I come from drag heritage? I know. Okay. Yeah. So maybe I'm a little biased, but I don't take offense to it. Because your dad. My dad is a locally famous. Was a locally famous drag artist. Yeah. Not like traditionally in the lip syncing performing at contests type thing. Right. But was well known as a female drag character. Yeah, exactly. And yeah, so no, I probably a little biased and I don't take offense because it's like, that's my dad. All drag queens might as well be my dad. Do you know those matrons of mayhem? Like they're all my dad. To me. Right. That's who they remind me of. Okay. So no, I don't take any offense to it, but I don't think it's similar to blackface or appropriation. Definitely. I've never felt like a gay man is like looking down on me because of my gender. Right. So if they want to dress like me. Right. There's a hat tip as far as I'm concerned. Well, and my thing is, like, as far as like gender appropriation goes, excuse me, what women are you actually basing on this? Yeah. These are such wild performances sometimes. They're almost not even, I wouldn't even say their gendered. I agree. Like, okay, maybe there's a wig, there's makeup. No heels. No makeup, the I've ever seen a woman walk out in public wearing, all that, I mean, I've seen some women come in a Lady Gaga concert can come pretty close. Yeah. But she's intending to be over the top. Yeah, exactly. Well, but I mean, that's just it.
A highlight from The Phantom God: What Neuroscience Reveals about the Compulsion to Believe (with Dr. John Wathey)
"They're easier to digest and then sometimes we take a deeper dive and it requires a little more concentration just a little more focus, but it's also really, really rich with information. Today is one of those shows. And that's why I'm so excited to do it. Doctor John Wolfe is someone I've had on the show. I guess it's been a couple of years, John. We were talking about your book, the illusion of God's presence, and you have a new project, a new book that just released called the phantom God, and I knew we had to talk again, welcome back, John was. It's a pleasure to be with you. Great to be with you. What neuroscience reveals about the compulsion to believe the subtitle of the book. Now I'm just going to jump in. We talked back in our previous conversation about this linking of our God belief to the animal brain. Our primate brains. And I know it's sort of all links together. But you are saying that human beings, the human primate is biologically wired to seek God, that's maybe overstating it a bit or perhaps oversimplifying a bit. What I'm really saying is that the human brain is wired at birth to seek connection with a primordial savior with another being that an infant's brain expects to be there. And of course that is the infant's mother in most cases, that's what evolution has shaped the brain of an infant to expect and it's obvious why the human infant is completely helpless when born. And it's absolutely dependent on the mother for warmth and nurturance and nutrition, everything. So that's really what the brain is expecting. But I'm also arguing that the circuitry that primes a human infant to expect this other being, this primordial savior. That circuitry persists into adulthood in a dormant state. It normally doesn't really do much. But there's something about making a hardwired image in the brain that seems to seems to make it permanent. If the brain is going to do this, if there's something innate in the brain, it just tends to be their permanently, whether we need it in adulthood or not. And in adulthood, under conditions of great stress or crisis or helplessness, a situation that evokes the feelings of infancy, then the circuitry can reactivate it. And an illusion of the existence of this primordial savior just comes into the brain from some unconscious place and can overwhelm a person and emotional crisis. And that's the thing. I argue that creates this illusion of God's presence that so many religious people describe. Yeah, I mean, I was in conversation with a God believer a few months ago and one of their questions to me. He said, why is it that in every culture all around the world, even if it's a different religion, there seems to be this yearning. This innate sort of looking up toward the heavens and expecting a God to exist and this is I mean, this is just one of those things. I hear a lot from apologists. Why would so many people sort of lean into God belief innately if there was no God? Yes, exactly. And that's what I'm trying to provide a natural explanation for. And it's not just believers in the general public who feel this way. There are some truly and distinguished scientists who have had these feelings and who have taken that step into non scientific thinking into faith and belief, one of the best examples of course is Francis Collins has written a book about it. And he says exactly what you just described. He says, in the form of a rhetorical question, why do we have a God shaped vacuum in our hearts and minds unless it is meant to be filled? And that's his main argument or his main evidence seems to me anyway. As to why God exists is this feeling of God's presence to him's feels like evidence of God's existence. But it's interesting with doctor Collins, who is a smart guy in a proponent of evolutionary science and you see apologist, whether it's William lane Craig in the Kalam cosmological, et cetera. They seem to be making the case for this sort of faceless deistic God. And then they take this big leap into the personal God with a proper name. I mean, doctor Collins doesn't believe in some God with a small G he believes in yahweh Jesus Christ, so how does that happen? Yes. You know, it's funny how the brain can the human mind can do this. You get this feeling of this amorphous savior out there and it's a very vague feeling. I've had it myself on occasion. So there's nothing specific about it. It's not a visual hallucination. You don't see Jesus appearing before you. But if you've been raised in a culture where Jesus and Christianity is the dominant religion, you have friends around you who believe in Christianity and attest to what it's meant in their lives. It's just the easiest God to plug into that God shaped vacuum. It's the one that's at hand. So you lean into it because you're sort of predisposed by your environment, like if there's a God, it would be this God. Yes, yes, exactly. And another point I'm making in the new book. I have a whole chapter on what side of the brain, the brain is symmetrical as a left and right side that are sort of mirror images of one another. So one of the questions that people who care about the neuroscience of religion have asked is what side of the brain, what hemisphere is most involved in it, which side of the brain, the religious emotions come from, or religious belief come from. And in the literature, there's really not a consistent answer. You can find evidence to argue in either direction. But what I found after trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together as best I could was that this feeling of God's presence that we've been talking about is mainly a right hemisphere thing. The right hemisphere is dominant in a new warning sent. The left hemisphere develops more matures, I should say, matures later about at age two or so one to two years old. And eventually the left hemisphere becomes the dominant hemisphere in most adults, but so left hemisphere is primed to do something very special. That's the language dominant hemisphere. And when an infant is born and starts to interact with its parents, it gets bombarded with this very complex pattern of auditory information, which of course is speech coming from adults around the kid who is trying to speak to the kid. And during the first year of life, the left hemisphere is absorbing all of this and trying to find meaning in it. This again is something hard wired in the brain. This time in the left hemisphere, to try to find meaning in complex patterns of information.
A highlight from CA107 The Participation Theodicy w/ John Buck
"To counter apologetics. I'm your host, Emerson green. And today we'll be discussing the participation the Odyssey. My guest today is John buck, who you might remember from episode 100 of this podcast. John and I debated the existence of God, and something that came up a couple times was John's participation theodicy. So I thought it was worth taking some more time to talk about the participation theodicy that John brought up during our debate. As I say in the conversation, it was a debate. That was kind of keying in on a couple of things that I don't like about the theodicy. I had to do it in a fairly short time frame. And here we actually have the space to expand on things and more carefully explore the terrain. And not just talk about the limitations of the theodicy, but some of the advantages it has over other theodicies. And though I certainly don't think that the participation, the Odyssey is capable of accounting for anything like all of the evil in our world, I think it's at least ajar that's on the table to make use of an analogy that will become clear as our conversation progresses. But I think we explored some interesting territory here. Ultimately, I think it was a productive and collaborative discussion. I think that's more what I'm aiming for these days, something that's a lot more collaborative in spirit. So without further ado, here's my conversation with John buck. Welcome, everyone. I'm Emerson green, and I'm here with John John, why don't you say hello and tell the people a little about yourself? Yeah, sure. My name is John buck. Hello, everyone. I am someone who does like, I don't know, Twitter apologetics, basically. I don't know. I mostly just joined Twitter to argue with people about abortion and then later discovered philosophy of religion and like, are you guys for God's existence and stuff like that? And so and now I'm not really, I don't know, not even really happy and just like I found a niche group of people that we all disagree with each other, but it's fun to bounce ideas off of each other. So yeah, I don't really have any content of my own that I produce. I made a video a while back about T jumps, biggest blenders, but besides that, I do nothing. And as of late, I had been thinking about a sort of response to the problem of be able that I dubbed the participation of the Odyssey. And I recently bought for one debated immersion green on the arguments for God's existence or the possibility of God's existence. And I utilized that during the debate. And then after that debate, I also rode up a sort of short 5 page paper on the participation of the Odyssey, and then just recently this past month wrote a little bit extended version of that about ten pages now that, yeah, I guess we're going to be discussing today. Right, yeah, I forgot to mention that that we had that debate a while back, which I think it was a good debate. I think it went really well. We talked about the participation, the Odyssey a little bit. And it was a debate, so I was just kind of going through all of my criticisms of it. But here, I wanted to go through some of the features of your theodicy that I think are actually plausible and actually good. So I want to start off at least talking about the advantages that it has and that it probably can explain some amount of evil in the world. But yeah, so should we just get into the participation of the Odyssey now? Might as well get yeah, that sounds good. So yeah, this is a argument that I've been working on primarily in consideration to the evolutionary animal suffering that has taken place within our past history. Because it seemed to me that a lot of the responses to the problem of evil were very most anthropocentric, but for myself, I love animals. And so I have deep care for the animals that are out there. So I'll just basically articulate the theodicies that something that would be very good for God to do would be to create an ideal state of the world. In which creatures existed within it and were happy and living together in harmony and all these things like that. And that would be something that would be very good for God to do. That would be something perfectly in line with God's moral morally perfect character and all of that. And then we can also consider like, well, let's suppose in considering the types of actions that creatures could do, what would be like the very best thing that creatures could do. And it seems like it would be the very same thing, like, oh yeah, the very best thing that a creature could do would be to bring about a perfectly ideal world in which everything was in perfect harmony and the things we're living in happily with each other. And so if this would be a good thing for creatures to do, and it would also be a good thing for guide to do. Then for both God and creatures to do this thing, it's just going to sort of amalgamate. And so it's going to be feature more goods that are there. And so if it would be good for guide to sort of create an ideal world, it seems like it would almost be better than for God to create a world in which it's not the case that he just creates the ideal world, spontaneously, ex nihilo. But rather, includes creatures in the actual bringing about of that world.
A highlight from Ep. 53: Do Atheist Communities Need More Magic and Ritual? Timothy Stacey
"Itself, the spirit of participation. Tim, welcome to beyond atheism. Hi, thanks for having me. Yeah, thanks Tim, really looking forward to talking more with you. Just to begin, well, I wanted to ask sort of as a way to get into your biography, whether you consider yourself a somewhere or person or in anywhere person, and maybe you can tell us what those terms mean and then sort of just which one you think you are. Yeah. Cool question. So this starts with a work from David goodhart, I believe it's called the road to somewhere, where he distinguishes between somewheres and anywhere. And he kind of says that this is a huge fault line that's opening up and people have since used it to understand the rise of populism. Basically the idea is that anywheres are the so called liberal elite people who have universal values that are easily transportable to different places and contexts, whereas somewheres are people whose values are deeply embedded in their loyalties to places and people that they've grown up with and say, you can't simply transport that value somewhere else because the very act of moving is to sacrifice that value in a way. So one of my biggest struggles in my research and writing is that I think I feel like the very thing I'm criticizing a lot of the time. So yeah, I'm trying to learn how to be a somewhere. I'm trying to learn how to navigate between what I see is quite universal values. In a place and amongst people, and you know the academic life doesn't make that easy, right? Exactly, yeah. Yeah. Now, so when you think about it, do you find that it's a bit of almost like code switching where you change sort of your not so much your beliefs, but you're maybe the way you communicate the way you relate to people. When you say, you're part of a group that is a lot of anywhere people in a place like a university. And when you interact with people who are moral sort of local, people who are somewhere people. Or is this or do you find that it is a major roadblock in terms of personality and our ability to relate to one another? I've seen this really interesting. So certainly there's some kind of code switching diluting or translating of what I think in an academic context in a local context. But what I really meant is that both the aspirations of this profession and its insecurities make it hard to be rooted in one place. So what does it mean to move up? What does it mean to succeed? Those are things that largely, you know, I feel like I can control, I can tell myself, you know what, I don't necessarily want to become a professor at this or that institution. I just want to be embedded in a place that that question is also that decision is also taken away from me by the increasing insecurity of academia. Yeah, there was something Todd and I were talking about this last night and it just like there is sort of this question like whether it's if there's sort of people who are naturally somewhere or anywhere people or whether it's like just by circumstances we're sort of more and more forced to being anywhere people. I mean like, I think both Todd and I have sort of moved around in search of jobs and things like this. And it's not necessarily by choice. But so and then you maybe along the way you convince yourself that, oh, maybe I am in anywhere person rather than somewhere person, but it's really just a matter of necessity or whatever. Yeah, economic necessity. Yeah, right. But for us, it's also, well, I don't know, first of all, do you put much stock in those in those classifications? Is it something that really guides your research? Another point along the road. Well, for me, it's something that kind of annoyed me, actually. So in that sense, it guided me research. You know, this idea that what all of a sudden people who aspire to universal values that they think everybody has the right to access, only have those beliefs because they're completely disconnected and alienated from a place. I found that quite aggravating.
A highlight from A Very Special Episode #571
"Everybody. Hi, Friends. Well from beautiful Salt Lake City, Utah. It's thank God I'm atheist. The podcast. I'm Frank Feldman, and I'm Dan beecher. And coming up on the show today, Dan, a little bit different today. Yeah. Here's my little throwback for all of the gen X listeners out there. Oh. Today, on a very special episode, TGIS. Oh, we're gonna be talking about what to do when a powerful Christian couple. Coerces you into sex. Yeah, so it's like we said, it's a little different. A little bit truncated of a show. We're going to have two big topics that we're going to be talking about today instead of all the littles and one big. And so stick around for the second half of the show, we're going to be talking about God forbid. That's the new Hulu documentary. All about the Jerry Falwell J fall Jew. And the pool. I thought for some reason that I was messing up the name, but no. And yeah, you're right. The pool boy. And it is. How did they get young Ben Affleck to play the pool boy? I didn't even know that you could have a young Ben Affleck. He's old now. He doesn't look that much like Ben Affleck, does he? I thought he looked a lot like Ben Affleck myself, but there you go. Sort of a Ben Affleck type. He has an aura of Affleck Affleck about him. All right, yeah, we'll be getting that. But first before we do that. Frank, yes, damn. Here's what I was doing. I was I was on the deseret news Facebook, or rather I followed the deseret news on Facebook. The desert news is the Mormon church owned newspaper here in Salt Lake City. Yes. And it is silly because when you have a newspaper owned by a church, you're going to have a slant. You're just going to and boy do they. And boy, did they ever? Yeah. So it's funny, you know, most of their most of the things that they post. They just post articles that they're doing. Most of the things that they post are things like, you know, they get one of the things I'm seeing is about a United Nations climate change summit, which has three likes, or sorry, rather, one like and two laffy emojis. The single like is me by the way, just so you know. You weren't just doubled over and laughter. Oh my God, what a waste of time. Climate change don't be stupid. But no comment on that one. You know, another one is about when more people get a single shot with a flu and COVID-19 booster in one vaccine. That only has that's a pretty hot button issue. It has 6 comments, 13 likes. Okay. Not the most heavily engaged with interacted with Facebook page. But the article we're going to be talking about is posted on the same day as those ones. It got 288 comments. 39 shares a 190 likes and or react faces. This is a good talk. This is a topic the Mormons. They care about, they care about it. Okay, all right. And why wouldn't they this is about their persecution complex? Or rather, it is an article, the headline of which is survey. Light Latter day Saints are everywhere in media, but Americans still know little about them. Yeah. So while this while I'm sure many a Mormon has read this article and thought about, you know, this is going to feed my persecution complex. Unfortunately, the main takeaway is just, look, nobody's thinking about you, dude. Yeah. It's even worse than you think, guys. Yeah. Literally know nothing. It's not that they hate you. They don't even realize you're there. They don't even care to know. Anything more about you. They've heard delightful. They've heard your name. They're vaguely aware of there was a musical, right? About these people. Right, right? Yeah. South Park guys talk about them a lot or something. But literally like the first graphic that the deseret news puts up from this, this is a poll that went out by a group called what's it called? BH Roberts foundation. Right. Which is which is a Mormon group. Yeah, apparently. They're all about supporting education and research, related to the Mormons. Right. That's what they do. And they did a study that was of 1157 respondents. And it looks like they did their job pretty well. In terms of the study being well handled and was executed. But so this first graphic that the deseret news posts says, how do Americans feel about Latter day Saints? So they were asked, how much do you like? And then they asked the question, they asked two questions. How much do you like the church itself and how much do you like the members? Right. And what you see is columns of it's a column graph, and it starts on one side with very much dislike, and it goes all the way to very much like. And then there's the twin towers in the middle of neither like nor dislike, which is amazing. Because everything else is basically below 10%, but about 50% of respondents said what the fuck, I don't know. I don't care. As many people as disliked or liked the Mormons. Don't even care. Yeah, more.
A highlight from You Are Evil and You Must Be Destroyed: Regaining our Humanity in an Inhumane World
"Speech that I gave in sarnia Ontario, Canada. I was invited to speak to the blue water atheist humanist convention. It was a great time, and so this is that particular presentation, something I've been touring with, there is a YouTube version with all the slides. And that YouTube link is in the description box of the show. I hope you enjoy. I'm so glad to be with you. The material that I'm doing it for lack of a better way of saying it, my material today, it's actually a discussion and inner monologue that's been going on for years with me. And it's a topic I'm nervous about. I have given this speech in a few cities and I keep going
Man vs the Holy Ghost's Influence With Justin Combs
"Special guest is returning guests theologian and podcast justin combs. Welcome back to the show justin. All right thanks michael. Glad to be back round to round two exactly. How many make it this far. I last time we left off on a sad note depressing. Though we'll we'll get back to all that fun. But i we left on prayer and i wanted to touch on a few things just before we got back to the prayer shirt so more basic stuff like you know. What is the bible to you. I don't know if we tackle that last time. I didn't write it down. So what does the bible to you. I mean they got a lot of things in there that are. Yeah yeah. I mean it's so it's a lot of stuff to me. I mean i can come at it from like faith. Perspectives scholarly perspective literary perspective. And i guess like from the faith perspectives. Go like i believe. It's the inspired word of god. Now what is what. Do i mean when i got into that a little bit last time just kind of like probably maybe maybe a good way to put it like human experiences of the divine dieted sometimes more sometimes less by the holy spirit but it is human experiences Put down okay. Let's go off of that experiences. Put down human experiences interacting with this deity correct. Okay may maybe two more explicit or less explicit extent depending on which text you're looking at within the thome
More Questions Than Answers With Paul Beam
"Today. Special guests founder of man camp true north organization in the host of the true north man. Podcast paul beam. Welcome to the show. Paul that glad to be here. Michael things are happening brother. Thanks for being on. Thanks for taking the time. So tell us a little bit about your Your show your organization little just a brief history on what it is and what you do sir. Yes so turn. North man exists. To help man experience freedom of fulfillment by tapping more into their identity in their purpose Really helping them figure out what direction that is. They would like take regardless of fulfilling their purpose. Man camp is one of our bents. We hosted two weekend events and that is kind of where we just start spread in the circus if you will of really walk through a process kinda helps them Dive into vision. Identity and purpose for life As far themselves small town texas boy here in a little town called bertram in middle of central texas and the so as far as Started man cap in two thousand fifteen out here. In the middle of central texas town called weren't twelve acres and since then we have. We have moved into another small town called mullin texas where we have thirty two makers now and so we. We started with the twelfth fifteen guys. At our first event we now cap it at one hundred thirty men at each of our bits.
Separation and Harmony With Garrett Vandenberg pt3
"They special guest is returning guests. Garrett vandenburg welcome back to the show. It's could be back man. I'm happy to be chatting here again. Absolutely it's great having to back good seeing hope. Everything's been all right today. We just kind of want to start off with. Let's describe the the dvd that garrett believes it the deity that i believe. Well i mean so we. We use the word god to talk about to talk about something but i think the problem is i a lot of people. Get kind of when they think problems. A lot of people can get into when when the the atheist christian dialogue about this is that usually like i look at the conversation that sam harris or look at any of those guys in kind of the the. There's like a great four horsemen of the apocalypse. Right there was docking hitchens harris and lawrence. Krauss i think guys. It's always the case that the god that they're arguing doesn't exist doesn't exist like i usually agree with these guys when they disproved the existence of particular. God that's because they're they're quantifying a particular thing they're saying. Well you know if these are the features of our of god exactly then well that that's not real. Yeah there's there's something i mean. This this is a problem is a really philosophical problem though. Because as soon as i described the very specific features of you more me you can push that description to a limit and then you can say not see that that person you're talking about they don't really exist because you just described them wrong. That's that that there's there's a logical contradiction in what the way in thing you just described
Chasing a Feeling With Justin Combs
"First off. Thanks for joining us today tony. It's an honor to have you on the show. Yeah no problem thanks. I appreciate your time. Absolutely man thanks for joining us. So how long have you been talking with. Y'all way well. I don't know probably every two three years. We had a bit of a break a dog eighteen months ago. Heard then God soul fits resurrect me. He was he was a bit bored. So yeah it's a two and a half three years. Is the question nice. And how did it begin. Like how did he introduce himself to. It's quite a stressful situation. I was actually set to get a promotion at work and monogamous ended up getting the promotion. Remember my work. Phone was ringing in my pocket. And a look down. And it said i'll for it was from. Hr and there like congratulations to. I'm not going to say his name to sound. So he's got the promotion and all sorts. Just i was mortified. Dropped on knees and in in this car park in the funding. And i'm like why god why voice sets me. Sales figures a low and you call rights very good and the conversation continued from their earlier. Felt compelled to hold to account on a unspecified. Biweekly podcast this. About twenty minutes long. Because i think people need to know what wise thinking what why while stuff's happening is is made in created
Civil Discourse With Kyle Silva
"Right so today's special guest is kyle silva welcome to the show. Kyle thanks for coming on. Thanks for taking the time. I appreciate it man so we started connecting through twitter. I started posting stuff used responding and we kinda went forward. And i said you know what this is just way too much to respond to. Let's have a conversation and here we are. Thanks for having me on absolutely absolutely all right. So i think we're gonna talk about refresh my memory for my understanding. We're against us down wrong. God's law Specifically always law the. Yes so the bible says the law is perfect. Holy righteous and good. Is that something you agree with for sure you know. I think he's looking. Jesus said in boca mark you know. He said that. Lock was kinda summed up in love for god and love for neighbor so yes i would say it is yet so those laws as far as love. God love your neighbor. That's it or the six hundred and fourteen some laws in the old testament. I would say that all the laws fall under that. Banner all of god. They've kinda summed up and those interesting interesting so let's start with the The one in numbers where we pick up on we pick up sticks and we get stoned to death. Is that something be fine. Perfect so so. Yes i would say it is right from gad is law or if it starts over the first logged right that mentioned Forgot right so guy saying when you do this saying you're not you're not loving jesus said in the new testament if you love me you obey my commands right. The loves those about action not listen feeling and so when we do something that god commanded not to do that would be unloving of us and as a yes so advertisement is guess what he considers unloving sinful.
I Wouldn't Put That in the Bible With Jimmy Dodd
"Today. Special guest is the ceo and founder of pastor. Serve jimmy don. Welcome to the show. Jimmy thank you. Michael great to be on with you fantastic. Thanks for taking the time So tell us a little bit about this. Pastor serve why it started it. What's it about brief briefly. Yeah pastured for just about twenty years and got to pasture in chicago. Boston south carolina kansas city and I was at a church that i started in nineteen ninety-two that was going very well and You would come to the church and you would say yeah. Everything looks good and You know it's just a good front stage in good upfront. Stop and good children's ministry good youth ministry and you'd say everything looks good but michael. The reality was was that i. I was an absolute mess and the absolute mess was. I just had a huge fear and the fear was if you really knew me you know what you wouldn't like me and so just doing my power to hide and deposed and pretend and i learned very quickly that it's exhausting to go through life friendly. You just really pretending that you're better than you are and man. I was emotionally spiritually physically mentally exhausted. Because i was just pretending. Because i had that fear of man if i tell you what i struggle with if i tell you about my fantasy life if i tell you about my greed and my jealousy and envy. I'm if you knew the depth of broken us of my life you would not want to be my friend
The Last Straw With Paul Burns
"Today. Special guest is paul burns. Part to welcome back. Paul so glad to see him in about two of the trilogy all know. Maybe maybe we'll just have you come on wilson month twice a month. I don't know you're a lot of fun. Poll i do enjoy my conversations with you co so. Where did we leave off. Well actually i know where we left off. Where would you like to go this time. What specifically would you like to talk about. All what i think. Start with why. Why become artist becoming eighties. You get a little bit of a home in the background. There is their gear. Pips allen i i've got your mind on my what what if i try try. This strategy now like cope. There is much better coat. Also it's a whole new world. Thanks i appreciate that. So what was the question again. Sorry go ahead supplies. suppose why. why become white. Why become an atheist. Why become an eight pitch law on looking for us some good evidence or some sort of good profile some some good arguments or reasons to become an atheist. And that's exactly paul. I am still waiting for good evidence. Good anything that will convince argument. That will convince me that. Christianity is true that buddhism is that that that hinduism is true. That islam is true. I'm still waiting for a good argument. Something that convinces me. So i guess rate turns it right back around. Is what convinced you paul. Was it something that i can be convinced with to help me own understand. You know what. I'm i'm just waiting for For good evidence to become an atheist. Because i just don't have enough faith but unite the
If I Had Jesus Powers With Gary Thomas
"Today. Special guest is pastor speaker and author. Gary thomas welcome to the show. Gary glad to be here. Thank you thanks for taking the time. Does a little bit about what you do. I know you've been a pastor for quite a while you've written a few books Quite a long list there but give us a brief introduction to gary is and what he does. Well i've always wanted to be a writer. Michael in large part because i'm uniquely limited in my skill set are very cute things. Anybody would pay me to do And so i'm glad the writing worked out. So i'd been a self employed writer for fifteen years and then a church in houston texas. Pretty large church said we'd like you to come during the teaching team. And so i'm still writing books and travelling but then for glass decade been working in houston At a church on the teaching team so still riding. That's kind of been my life. Writing is a blast. I love book behind you there. It's my first one. I love writing out. It's it's definitely a passion for sure. So let's get into. What's your favorite book you it you wrote written. I'm that's kind of like asking. Who's your favorite child. I mean in one sense sacred marriage made it possible for me to keep riding sold over a million copies so it just it just creates a level of comfort. So you can keep doing what you wanna do. sacred pathways ditz. A lot of attention. Because it deals with the different ways that we connect with god and So it's it's really become beloved by some just because it helps blow part. The one size fits all spirituality. It we all pray the same way or relate to god in the same way
Filling in the Gaps With Elmo Jr.
"Special guest is. The host of a podcast called elmo's world no not that elmo's world welcome to the show elmo junior. Hey man i'm happy until glad to be here and Thanks for inviting me on your absolutely. Thanks for taking the time. Way out there in Were you at philippines. The philippines living in the future man. So tell us a little bit about your show why it did it. What you do who've talked to anything. Yes so maestro is titled elmo's row podcast. I decided that name for because my name is is actually elmo and People have relate you know compared me to the to the the puppet l. never heard of it. Yeah glad to hear that. Yeah but of course. I want to make a brand for myself. That would you know like sort of the against that. And so and i started this and decided to make a podcast. It's i actually watch Rogan back in june. I decided hey you know he what he does is really cold because he just off some people indicating like so many tired he kinds of people from different political spectrums religious or philosophical background. Or whatever you know. And i wanted to be able to do that. And at least get and find an excuse way but it's audited for. Yeah i started it. August and continually continuously in and Monstrously proceeded with just asking to go on my show going for our or maybe sometimes two hours of conversation
Buddhism and Atheism With Ajahn Brahmavamso
"But this evening's talk. I'm going to be talking about a subject. i hope i never thought about before. That's unlikely sings. I've been speaking here for over twenty years and it's come up in the newspapers recently and Few people have been discussing this on the email because apparently just before easter time there was an atheist conference over in sydney and that really upsets some people in the churches in sydney and because they were talking about eighty s and it affects them. Bickers is put this an atheist religion. Does it believe in god. If it doesn't why does support his position about this and so the first part of this talk no maybe just a bit of information about the stand on a garden some interesting things which many of you may not know for the most important part of this talk is That actually as far as buddhism is concerned is better reform does not believe in a supernatural being because there some very very grave consequences such a belief in your ordinary lives. I'm going to put this view and pointed point out that actually that you can become a wiser more compassionate person without such beliefs which sometimes obstruct no one's feeling of what's right and what's compassionate. Bullets go from the very beginning. Sometimes people ask is put some an atheist religion. What is a buddhist. Take on a guard but i vote is to go to the ancient scriptures twenty five hundred years ago when the border was around and of course you mentioned just the idea of god was very common at that time as far as the buddha was concerned. It wasn't just a theory but because of these great house which you can get through meditation you understand how the universe works.
Roles and Mercy With Marty Langlois
"Today. Special guest is christian. Women's health coach marty lang loy. Welcome to the show. Marty thank you. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for taking the time so tell us a little bit about yourself what you do. I am a christian woman. Health coach and i helped moms dizzy. Women lose weight through self care in the focal points. I have in my mission in mothers news or focusing on areas of food fitness and fund. Those are all important for ups love f words in their appropriate of ford family friendly mission friendly. Yeah interesting so the faith part what. How does that play. Well my Face background as an emergency of catholic. We we have this focal point of the theology of the body. Were we talk about value of that body. From genesis of god creating us in his image and life news To include even jesus himself being god in man he was a human so the value of the human person and our bodies as we can Read throw out all kinds of scripture verses about taking care of the temple and all of that Is where that comes into play hum in its starts with having that foundation increased. 'cause we see all these diet fads and all these things celebrities are doing and they have these two week plans that while you're going to get a two weeks worth of results and it's gonna last for the two weeks as opposed to something that can be more permanent
Fight or Flight With Garrett Vandenberg
"Special guest host of the this could be interesting show garrett vanderberg van vandenberg. That's how you say right right. Vandenberg invention welcome to the show here. It be him in. Thanks for coming on taking the time watch. Tell us a little bit about what you do. Well you mean with the show or in real life in the show. Yeah so this could be interesting as a project. I just started this year Kind of out of frustration with the sorts of conversations. I noticed going on. I guess i noticed. Because i was kind of pointing at other people but i started to realize okay. This is the problem in metoo. I think in general and again. I can't speak for the world but i can speak for myself and say i think i am getting worse than having conversations with people income jumping to conclusions in and i'm getting more more quickly jumping into a fighter flight mode than i should be. This is a problem i i. I don't like this behavior in me. And i don't like it and other people what what can i do about this so i mean i guess the best solution i could come up with was just a practice. So essentially the show is an opportunity a space for me to go in and talk to people specifically people who see the world differently than me and just practice getting through those moments of tension and
Back to Jesus With Kristin Ostrander
"Today's special guest is author speaker. Podcast or kristen strandard to the show. Hi thanks for having me. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for taking the time So tell us a little bit about first of all what you do. I am kristen steiner. I am the host of the amazon files. Podcast and the owner and founder of mommy income dot com. I teach people to start and grow ecommerce businesses online. That sounds like a lot of fun and a lot of work. Yeah both pretty busy How many kids you. I have three kids. One two grown in one. Still in the nasty. We've got a twenty year old one. That's graduating this year at eighteen and then the youngest is ten and a half fun man. I keep you busy. That's for sure on top of everything else you're doing. Yeah that could be a whole episode about raising grown children and what that's like right. Good nece kids in general so As far as the the the religious aspect of of kristen what are your you. Would you describe the christian beliefs. Would you call yourself a christian. Absolutely s awesome. So why would you take on that title. What what is it about the christianity that you accept. I am a follower and believer of jesus. I believe in the gospel. I believe that it's All his doing. And none of mind and i have a purpose in a plan in life to follow that calling and to spread the good news to others that there is hope and help beyond this life. Open help beyond this life and what. What does the bible to you. The bible is the word of god. The bible is a sharper than any two edged sword. I can i use it against it. Right the bible is guidebook. That guy bill bible is the answer. It is my hope and my help. It is the source of wisdom the source of all instructions for humanity.
Weekend at Bernie's With Jonathan Merritt
"Today. Special guest is author of several critically acclaimed books including learning to speak god from scratch. Jonathan merritt welcome to the show. Jonathan all my gosh. It's my pleasure to be here. Thank you so much for having me on appreciate it man. Taking the time out from your busy days and new york over there. Yeah yeah for sure so tell us a little bit about this book. Learning to speak gone from scratch. How does that work. Well you know. I started writing this book. When i moved from atlanta to new york city actually and i found that it was a lot more difficult in a new setting to have spiritual conversations to use sacred language. Sacred words That other people were unfamiliar with. And so i began to sort of wonder. I think what a lot of people wonder whether it's better to just avoid this kind of conversation In in mixed company or weather in some way These words these. These conversations were beautiful and beneficial and and worth reviving. And that's really what let's started the exploration that became this book Interesting so spiritual conversations. What do you mean by spiritual conversations. you know. it's a big. It's a big broad term What does it mean to have a spiritual or religious conversation for most people. I think they would say it's a conversation about god
The Bible Is Offensive With Andrew Fouts
"Today. Special guest is director of digital resources and church planter over art c. r. m. will explain that in a minute andrew fouts welcome to the show andrew. Thanks for having me. Thanks for taking the time so explain a little bit. About what c. R. m. is and what does he church planter do. Apparently you have an old title. Is i haven't done the church planning seen in a while. But yes r. m. c. as the association of church sports and recreation ministries We are an international para church ministry. So we are not actually associated with any churches but Go come in alongside churches to help them develop Sports recreation and fitness ministries. And what i do specifically is i'm in charge of digital resourcing. So i d this podcasting Video editing We we produce. We've got a publishing house that produces some books. We've got a video production house The i'm i kind of him. Second in command of as the associate producer where we produce training videos We produce some online courses online classes. means like that and then We just started a podcast network. Last january is when we launched it. We've been working on it for about a year now while Where i produce all of the podcasts. And i so i produced five different or four current ones one of them. I co host one of them. And then we've got two more pre-production so we wow he busy for sure. But crm yeah crm just comes on site churches and helps them. Train leaders helps them find out what facilities they already have in maximize the space that they have to do. Like basketball leagues You've got some churches that do karate taekwondo. We've got churches that we've helped with that built. discourses Things like that. So we we come alongside and train and help them. And we've got guys all across the world we met including some people. We can't even talk about for security reasons.
Your Own Personal Jesus With Onyx Keesha, Actress,
"Today. Special guest is author actress. Director and producer onyx. Kisha the show on ix. I'll and still happy to be here. Thanks for coming on appreciate your time so tell us a little bit about the work you do and why you do it. Oh for sure. Well i truly believe that my art is my activism and. I think that it's very important that we attempt to blur the lines that divide us I feel like when you can connect to the heart in the heart of someone. Then those differences are not as pronounced You know humanity connecting to one. Another is just really a beautiful thing in for me. I like to do that through art through theater through film absolutely. Yeah i totally agree. I think art can be activism hundred percent. I guess this is kind of an artful show. I guess podcast is an art form. So that's my own little forum. I guess humanity connecting one hundred percent agree that just speaks to my humanism beneficial if we all stick together by on all that love it. I love it So you've done. Most of your stuff is based off of The christian perspective correct. Well a great deal of i you know. I'll never forget how to do this. Panel on time and i will ask this question. Like how did you release a movie about church in then erotica movie on and you know i just really explain my stance that You know if you are a believer then you must know that god is there. Even when you're making love will win. We try to separate it when we try to erase. Our human experience are truly on a spiritual journey But a lot of my work is definitely based I do have a great deal of faith based work as well.
Pointless Miracles with Michael Zwaagstra
"Today we have returning guests michael's wag stra author of the naked man flees. Welcome back to the show. Michael well thank you very much. It's a pleasure to be back with you. And i'm looking forward to part two of our discussion. Not many make it to the part to man. I thank you for coming back. I appreciate it. Oh you're welcome that's I think it's good to have the types of discussions and to W- there's far too many people whatever side of the issue you're on it's so easy to stay within her own little bubbles and where it's safe and we just affirmed by people all the time we all spend more time talking to people who have different opinions and challenge ourselves absolutely totally agree. And that's why we're here today so last time we left off. Oh actually this time. We're gonna talk about a little bit more about your book. Chapter twenty four twenty five and forty. But before we get there. We left off with gideon. And i kind of wanted to touch base with that story for a minute. That's okay not a problem. So gideon tested yala with the fleece on the ground to see if it was to be wet and whatnot. Malachi tested y'all way as well romans twelve to y'all we want you to test him but that kind of contradicts matthew. Four seven deuteronomy six sixteen. Which tells you do not test do not put the lord god to the test. I see this as a contradiction. How do you see this. Well i i would see it differently. And i think it's important for us to talk about getting. We need to put his story in context and historic can be found in judges chapter six in. It actually goes on for several chapters The israelites in this case are oppressed by million. And god has directly called gideon to lead the israelites out of oppression to lead to leave to victory. god has guaranteed victory to get in. He does so explicitly early on in chapter six
Curveballs With Bob Searle
"Today. Special guest is former pastor an army chaplain and the author of journey into wholeness bob. Searle welcome to the show. Bob thank you so much michael. Thank you to privileged beyond today. So is this your first podcast bob. This is what i had I had one on last wednesday Pastor bob on a podcast so So this is this is actually my second one. Well how fun. I'm so excited to have you bob. So i kinda wanted to just briefly. Have you explain your book to us. And then we'll jump into the questions from their sound. Good very good very good. So i wrote this back in nineteen ninety eight one thousand nine hundred ninety not intending to be a book at all. i was doing a clinical education residency at university medical center and one of the things. They're after twenty years of ministry. I thought it'd be a good idea to go back and continue redefined my tools but also to reflect upon nice spiritual experiences and the various Streams of of Spirituality that had had really influenced me so spent a time And our final project. I wrap this up into a final project and wrote Journey into wholeness. At the time i didn't have that name at all and so i completed the the work and resumed my pastor ministry. I'm vhs and all of the candidate would be a and Meera cole pas who worked at the center of excellence the candidate was very interested. In chaplaincies spirituality faith and suicide idea
The Naked Man Flees With Michael Zwaagstra
"Today. Special guest is author of the naked man flees michael's wag stra welcome to the show. Michael well thank you very much mike. It's a pleasure to be with. You appreciate you being on taking the time. So let's let's hear a little bit about that book. Naked man flees naked man flees while the the full book title. Is the man. Fli es timeless truths from obscure parts of the bible and seek to do in the book is to highlight forty obscure passages passages in the bible that christians and non christians alike ten dimiss With the bible and passages the tend not to have a lot of servants preached about them and to take a closer look at what these passages say in What possible meeting they might have to today. i've taught In addition to teaching public high school. I also teach a part time basis at stop five college. Which is our our local bible college here in steinbeck manitoba and i've found that You can never assume that christians know their bibles really well But a lot. Don't and i i know that on your show. One of the things that you say at the end is that you encourage people to pick up their bibles and read them and i agree. People should pick up the bible and actually read it because otherwise you're gonna miss a lot of important stuff that's in there actually. Yeah there's a lot of stuff in there. It's pretty interesting for sure. Chapter two for instance you talk about one of my favorite will if it's my favorite but it's definitely one of the stories that are in there The the moses and y'all we meeting them at the lodging place and he's about to kill him mad. That is such a strange story. It makes a stranger because it's just kind of thrown in there you know you're you're reading the story then all of a sudden this happens and it goes right back to where left off so it's yeah it's it's a strange one and it's one that a lot of people A lot of christians miss and one of the reasons that we miss it is that it doesn't make it into any of the popular movies. It's not in charlton. Heston the ten commandments does make it into prince of egypt and the exact. Yeah go figure. I'll read the la read. The exact passage is chapter four versus twenty four to twenty six at a lodging place on the way the lord met him. That's moses and sought to put him to death then sapporo took a flint and cut off her son's foreskin. Touched moses beat with it and said surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me. So he left him alone It was then that she said a bridegroom of blood because of the circumcision.
Republican Congressman vs. David C. Smalley
"Let's jump straight in. Because i want to bring our guest in on the conversation immediately. He's a former congressman from virginia's fifth district he's now nc are is chief strategist and author of bigfoot. It's complicated which. I really hope we have time to get into and i really hope. He's still a republican. Let's find out join me in welcoming denver riggleman to the show. Thanks for joining me today. Sir thanks for having me sir. Oh well you heard that with us for the first time it just came out moments ago. What are your thoughts. So i'd like to state as we start here. The president trump reid tweeted a few months ago that the joe biden. Kill seal team six. I think god you're right. No you know. That's and that's what i was when i was listening to that speech after what i heard Down near the white house right before the siege on the capital. In fact that i've been in. Congress have been in the house. And i knew some of those people that spoke like madison call or mo brooks of talked to many times Don jr. meant obviously rudy giuliani I've met obviously and and what i really saw. Their david was absolute Language to incite really. It happened over the months and months and to hear that right now. My my first reaction is not really a politician but as an intelligence officer and something counter-terrorism like somebody's very afraid of the senate trial for impeachment. I thought the same thing Michael came in a few seconds in michael goes. Looks like a hostage video like he looks like he like. It's not really his words. He just feels the need to say these things he had to. I mean you know. The thing is is that his his term does end. I know that there are some people that are still listening to pastures and trucks talking about biblical prophecy that president trump is right now hidden a bunker and mike. Flynn is going to be the next vice president but by the way that's true. I just saw this video two days ago. One hundred eighty five thousand likes david on a facebook video from some dude in a truck saying that you know he's a pastor and had biblical prophecy and he just went through the whole cunanan thing and i just shaking my head about the ridiculousness out there. But he still wants to keep his brand to. He's got to make money. And how's he going to do that. And i think there's a lot of things you need to worry about. And that speech was the copa. That was so too late and show not anything that he said before that very hard to believe men. You're spot on. I mean. I i you know about damn time is the first reaction and then does he even believe the stuff he's saying is the second reaction So late you know so late to the party So that so that my listeners have a little bit background as to why this conversation between the two of us is so important You know you're you're only a former congressman because apparently you weren't conservative enough for your district right you. You lost to someone who was far more conservative and on top of that. I've seen you. I've seen pictures. Anyway of you officiating. Same sex wedding so you don't sound very republican the to us sir. What's going what's going on over there. Why are you so open minded and logical. You know when iran. You know. i've only been. I don't know people know this about me. I was i was a ceo. sell my company in two thousand twelve doing counterterrorism and counterintelligence work. Could you know not. Only that i can. I can go back in time. If i told you the crazy stuff. I've done like we mission plan. The first bombing runs death in afghanistan for nine eleven. that was our squadron. It was me Oman training omanis on. F16 sixteen operations in two thousand and ninety nine. I was on. The romanian serbian border for operation. Allied for trying to stop ethnic cleansing. I've had a hell of a life and that's just the beginning counter idea. Actually our team that was tracking sulejmani and two thousand six two thousand seven so when people saw my resume like this son of a gun never been in politics before when i ran as a republican i was asked to because the my predecessor had to resign because of alcoholism. Which is a little ironic. Since i'm going to stiller. I one on accident one by one. Vote against a christian. Dominion est They called me a baby killing sodomite But i thought if if practicality and i was a good guy team player like in my military days voted independently when i had to I thought i would see that. I care about people more than the career. Because i didn't need the paycheck and sadly after the same sex wedding david conspiracy theory started about me that i was working for soros to turn children into alternative lifestyles by funding schools. To teach that doug gay sex was okay. And that i really started saying cunanan was turning and blossom and this was back in twenty nineteen and since my background is in you tracking isis and al qaeda and disinformation and radicals. I said this also looks like that. We have almost the same type of thing here. We have people that are using language of dehumanisation and antisemitic. Tropes to go after people. And you know it's like a lot my book right. It's about bigfoot belief systems and take over people's lives so really been a hell of a time for me. I never thought that My family we get death threats You know i never you know. I never thought that. I can tell you this. Now that somebody would remove the lug nuts are in them all up on my right front tire at a rally where i came out and felt funny and took it to a shop and look like they tried to hurt me pretty bad so this has been one of my life has been like for the past two years david. And guess what athem you know. This is what they want to bring it. Bring it because i got fifty acres of distillery and i'm a second amendment guy and but i'm also a free thinker and pretty socially libertarian. So i don't know where. I fit bud
Testimony Under Duress with Brian McLaren
"Today. Special guest is the author of faith after doubt brian mclaren. Welcome to the show. Thanks great to be with you. Michael appreciate you coming on and sending me the book that's awesome. I always love getting books from the gas. Really fun the honest with you. Though man i was a little disappointed. There was no No autograph for you know. We'll have to try to remedy. That somehow awesome good. I like those special notes that they send me. Those are fun so does a little bit about your book. Well i was a pastor for twenty years and my life as a pastor. I had so many folks come to me over the years with their questions and doubts and things that just didn't make sense and Sometimes their questions really sort of the united my own questions and So i've always been interested about the intersection of pay out. Especially i grew up in a super conservative religious background. Where it wasn't real. You know ask asking questions and acknowledging that weren't really allowed so I left the past some years ago. And i i still speak primarily to pass pastors and i would say that hardly a week goes by where i don't hear from several people who tell me their pace falling apart or you're having serious doubts about this or that element of it and it's surprising how many clergy are also in that situation. So all that interesting together to say this is. This is something. I've been struggling with for a long time and Maybe something. I could help others with interesting. So do you think it's it's a good thing to doubt. Let's put it this way. It's a bad thing to just believe something because somebody else told you. You have two more threaten you with some punishment. If you didn't say that you believe honesty's important and stout important on a doubt in and of itself won't get us to where we need to go but faith without any doubt. is I think it's pretty dangerous. It among other things it sets us up to be exploited. It sets us up to the Ripped off by con artists because then con con artists. Were they they tell us to believe what they say and put son has been where Where we end up being manipulated manipulated by our ninety faith. Yeah scary stuff. A lot of cutler's out there and get you in you know you just go follow the group. Whatever the group does here drink this cool eight. It'll be great. do what what. What's a little scary is those kinds of Those kinds of connor artists exist in the world of religion and in the world of business and in the world of politics there hammer. unfortunately religious communities can easily become aggregate For people who want to believe and and then they become aggravates for people who can be manipulated. So that's why. I think it's important to help Christians and people of other religions well but for me as a christian especially how christians and especially i have a soft spot in my heart for pastors. Since i was one for so long to help passed a better job on helping people honest with their questions and doubts interesting. Kinda wanna go back to something. You said there for a minute. You said punishment if they don't say that they believe it. So do you. Do you find that if if if you don't believe something a punishment for not believing that is wrong or shouldn't be done a well. Maybe i maybe. I can explain it like this. I'm one of the things. I wanna the insights really that became clear from within. The book is how faith isn't just an individual. Aw an individual experience and doubt is not just an individual experience but because we belong to communities that are often bound together by agreements to certain creeds doctrinal statements or agrees that our social life is really wrapped up our doubts as well and And so what we end up experiencing a lot of its experience is that were part of a group and we just raise an honest sincere question and then people realize this is a question that our group is not allowed to ask and so The punishment might being new won't be allowed to be a small group leader anymore. Because we don't trust you anymore because you admitted that you have this question now. Probably a lot of other people that question through but they just hadn't admitted it or it could even go farther where people are at the face the possibility of excommunication and and there's not just the theological dimension that but that often means separation from family and friends. I in the beginning book. I tell the story the young man who came to see me he was a pastor. He he dared to question what most of us would consider an extremely esoteric doctrine of his little church and And he was kicked out and among the people who kick about were his parents and his gra- one grandparents so you can imagine how devastated.
The Great Commission with Tyler St. Clair
"Special guest is the lead pastor at the cornerstone church in detroit. Scho- tyler sinclair. Hey how you guys doing. Glad to have yawn man. Thanks for taking time out of your busy schedule in having the conversation appreciate it. My pleasure. Mock leisure well today. We decided to discuss the great commission. But i like to get to know a little bit more about you. Tell us a little bit about your scherf. I'm gonna give you the long and short of my journey. Yeah i'm born born and raised in detroit michigan. I grew up Grew up at a situation that we It's pretty common Single parents and the In the city and struggled and ran the streets and the very similar story a lot of people That are ministry six to reach In the city of detroit but I born and raised in church. But i decided at the age of eighteen and my infinite wisdom that i was done with god. Donald church didn't want when have anything to do with this Beings that i thought was irrelevant in my life and Yeah whitten On my birthday when got got got a tattoo and decided that I'm done One one year later one year later. I'm asking jesus To say before for my fans and surrender my life to the lord. Jesus so what. A difference. A year year makes so they age of nineteen. I surrendered to christ and What what struck me was My church experience was Church with the destination church. Which is the place that people came. I thought it was just a social thing. I thought it was just something that people came and did and got their religious goods and services and when i began to read scripture sure I saw that there was. There should be an urgency behind the church that there should be a zeal and the desire to see people come to know and follow jesus and to see people From the wrath. Adjustment of god. So i think i for this is this is different. What i'm when i'm reading a scripture is different from what i'm seeing and what i'm experiencing and So i i got saved In september of two thousand and one in december just a few months. Later i was telling my pastor that i feel called to ministry they nineteen years old and everyone thought i was insane And i felt insane. But i knew that This burden at the lower had put on my heart with something. I couldn't took away until i got older Like i experienced Life transformation through the gospel. Jesus and i wanted that for everyone that i came in contact with since since nineteen. I have been Like old thanks for say running for jesus and it's been a wild ride and i've just seen so much of the lord's grace In the last twenty something years of kind of know about this tattoo was it. Like i'm done with you. Got a tattoo like it was it was it was. It was just my my my Rebellion me sticking my flag in the ground. I i gotta i gotta t and then. After i became a christian. I change the ten talk cross. Of course so how convenience. It was just This was hey I'm outwardly a rebellion. I'm choosing a life without you And that was a sign of that but Thank god his grace. He's gracious in carnegie and he caught me to himself and save me from myself so college. The tuesday curious the great commission. Let's let's start that matthew twenty eight we've got the great commission eighteen through twenty Mark fifteen sixteen says the same thing. the message basically is go out and preach my work Why do you think it is that you're the one that's supposed to do this. So i love the great commission. And it's been a passes that i've referred to when and and and and basically human oriented my life around this great commission and the part that i think we often overlook is The beginning part. Before right before get right. Before jesus gives the great commission inverse eighteen Verse eighteen matthew twenty aching and jesus Came and said to them. All authority in heaven and earth has been given to me so jesus is making. That's a very big weighty statement. All of the all authority in the entire universe has been given to me
Christian Debate Champion vs. David C. Smalley
"My guest today is really going to take me back to a debate. I had A few months ago with randall. Rouser known as the tentative apologised where we talked about is is it rational to believe in christianity order the christian faith. Rational and. I'm excited to have him today. So please join me. In welcoming cooper right here to the podcast he cooper. Thanks for joining me today. Thank you david for having me on so in the pre show you were telling me you actually heard that debate that i had with randall right. Yeah so i was a little frustrated by both of our performances. In that debate to be honest with you felt like we kept talking past one another. I didn't feel like i was able to get my point across. He kept sort of the thing with randall. And i like him by the way. We follow each other on twitter. We share a lot of the same political views. I like randall. But being in like a match with him or some sort of discussion like that specifically some sort of formal debate. He tends to want to be the wrath. While he's fighting and throw a bunch of flags and say that i'm committing fallacy and a fallacy of rather than dealing with the actual discussion. And i i find that frustrating. Sometimes and i felt like. That's what kept happening. He kept telling me that. I was arguing for something. I wasn't arguing for. He wasn't really adhering to rappaport rules and it was it like an uphill battle to me but What did you think of the discussion david. I'll tell you one of the sympathies. Have with a lot of debate. Is one of the things that i met can be. Frustrating about debating is is. They often like to have very elaborate answers to a question that should have a pretty simple response whether that be a yes or no question or something that that is more directly related to the question you asked instead. They might have a habit of where they wanna about something else. So it can circle to something different. So i i kinda saw some of that going on debate. Which is where. I kinda sympathize with your position. Navigating that Of course you know. I do like randall as well I think he has some phenomenal ideas But i i understand why you probably would have been frustrated by some of that debate. I think my biggest thing. And if i were talking to him by the way i would say the same thing so i'm not you know. This is all public eye problem. Saying what i would say to randall but In fact i was getting ready to do a charity. Thing and randall jumped all over in wanted to be a part of it was going to help me raise money for someone. He's he's an absolutely one. Forgot that the thing that the curveball. I couldn't get around. Seemed to be that i kept saying. The belief itself is an irrational belief. Because it's never happened before know dead people. Don't come back to live and die if you have faith. That's fine say it's on faith but to say it's rational doesn't make sense. He would then say. You are calling christians irrational and i kept saying no no no. I think rational people can occasionally have things that they believe. That are irrational. Without making the person as a whole an irrational person they they with rationality day in and day out. They walked to their cars. They put their key in their door before they open. They don't just repeatedly tried to walk through it and say something's wrong with my door. They use rationality all the time. And i felt like he was trying to make. It seem as though i was attacking a people. When in fact i was just saying the idea itself doesn't follow basic logic and reason and i hope i made myself clear in that but from randall's responses in the moment that it didn't seem like i was successful in doing so. Yeah so on that particular issue when you look at. Is it rational to believe something whether or not someone is rational or irrational. Doesn't really matter what matters is the way they come to such belief rational And so you know. In that position out of argued why think a believing in a resurrection would be rational Or why come to that conclusion. Be rational in order to disprove the point. Okay so so so before before we get into that Tell us a little bit about you. What is your background. What is your denomination In in how how did you get involved with things like this. Like reaching out to even you know here an a podcast or to be an atheist speaks with believers like like. How did you find me. Are you a part of an apologetic ministry. Like what's your what your story so probably one of the more significant qualifiers for myself if you would is did collegiate. Debate didn't high school to for about five years. And i've won two national competitions in debate so my overall personality is one that likes to be a to likes to question who likes to discuss in. Who has an earnest desire to figure out what is true. And what's false. So you're you're in literal debate champion. Yes yes says. I've won two national titles as a as someone who did debate. Yeah
Progressive Influencer vs. David C. Smalley
"Today we're gonna talk with a content creator. I'm gonna kinda give you some behind the scenes of what goes on in creating content on multiple platforms but then we also have a little bit of a disagreement. And i want to dive into that too and again had those nuanced conversations that you've come to love as part of this podcast so without further ado let me go ahead and bring on the guest. Please join me in welcoming bun daddy to the podcast. It's look. I told you it was going to be cheesy applause. Remember i said that. i'm elliott. Yeah you're familiar. What i've been around. Yeah that's the podcast. That's you know for some reason. I've i space that for just a second and let me just so so let me. Just tell people how i found you. I i came across one of your videos on. Tiktok was life changing for me. it really was. It had a had a major impact on me and it was really empowering should say and then so i followed you on tiktok you have a huge following and it kept growing and kept growing up over six hundred thousand followers or something and at one point you went live and i joined your live and i heard you say oh david smalley just joined and i was like she knows who are you and how do you do and then we started. We started talking. And you're like is listen to the show. I devoured countless hours of the show and probably still scratch the surface because countless hours. Listen to one episode. that's you. I can count them usually about two or three but so how'd you remember how you found the podcast and was like a super long time ago. Yeah no it was. When i was. I had just had my deacon conversion experience from my christianity. And i was literally on whatever podcast app i was using. I searched different Buzzwords like atheism. And i there were a couple of different secular and search for dogma and yours came up as dogma debate back when it was dogma debate and i kind of like i thank my teeth into it because it was so it was ground level. It wasn't anything that i had to really have a lot of. You know like. I had understanding both sides of things but it was an unintimidated thing to approach as opposed to many other things that i had experiences right. That was that was kind of the goal. And that was the goal when i wrote my book to every atheist stuff. I found anything that was either atheist based or christian based or debate related. It was a lot of times. It was really intimidating. It was really. It was like richard dawkins level big words on top of big words on top of concepts on top of things. Like solipsism and methodological naturalism and part of me would just kind of glaze over and go. I don't i mean. I'm sure these aren't complicated subjects but it it didn't feel inviting and so i intentionally wrote my book in a way that would be inviting in and created my show to be the same way. So it's it's great to know that that that it did have that effect. Oh absolutely i mean it was definitely the first kind of it was the first big like involvement or investment. I had in anything in atheist community alongside a couple of other ones that i kind of pieced together and picked and pulled from different episodes of podcasts. But this was the one that i had playing over and over and over while i worked so cool brings a huge mall my face thank you for that. And it's it's kind of crazy because you know that had an impact on you. I'm honored i'm flattered him so glad that that happened and without even knowing that i found you and you had an impact on me in my personal life and so the fact that we were able to connect and now i've become friends is just just a wonderful sort of closing the full circle within the universe. it's it's really a beautiful thing and i have. I finally found the original video. I found of yours now. A lot of people out there may be thinking. Yeah i scroll through tiktok. Sometimes it's just a bunch of teenagers dancing and it's stupid. Unfortunately that is the case for a portion of the app. But that's there's so much more on tiktok. There are so many Political movements and you know people just inspiring each other and thought experiments and magic tricks and skills to learn if you want you use the app for a while. It starts to learn your behaviors in learn what you like and if you do the right things and like the right things it will guide you to really really good content and and. I'm glad that i did that. So i want to play the video that i that i found of yours. That made me a fan. Okay this is. This is deep stuff. And it's just so it's so insightful. And i feel like it. It's it's so palatable in a way that it is generic yet specific enough that if this is happening in someone's life they can definitely Apply it in the right areas that that's what's so great about it so i'm gonna play the message right now. He co q. something. I learned in boating school ak therapy and books. We've all heard people say you teach people how to treat you. And basically what that means is you are responsible in your relationships for establishing and enforcing boundaries that other people have to follow in order to maintain access to you. Those are really key distinction here. And that's the difference between responsibility and if a meteor lands on my car and decimates it. I'm not faults. I didn't do anything. But i'm still responsible for getting myself. New car or mode of transportation because taking responsibility is not the same as accepting blame and the same goes for relationships you are responsible for setting and enforcing your own boundaries. But you are not at fault for someone's actions overstepping those boundaries. You teach people how to treat you by taking on the responsibility of revoking access to you when they don't respect your boundaries. You don't teach people how to treat you by accepting fall for things that other people do.
Clean Slate with Todd Harrison
"Hello this is todd. how can you hear me. Okay i can. I can welcome back. Mr todd harrison. How you doing man. I'm doing good. How about you fantastic fantastic and all surviving staying indoors. Yeah good for you. Yeah that was blocked at netflix and amazon. Or sky man. Yeah amazon's doing real well to absolutely a generics anyway. So let's see here last time we talked. I don't even remember what we talked about. Maybe a little postles maybe a little bit of what you believe Let's just go ahead and start fresh like nothing ever happened. Because i can't remember the word of event sounds good to me. Why don't you go ahead and start off by giving giving us a brief description on why you are a christian at this point in time and how you got to it okay. Sure well. I grew up in in nominal church That was more littered surgical and then then alive and so when as a teenager. I just rejected it locked away. God was irrelevant to me I i i wouldn't say totally disbelieve. But i i can't say i believed in god can't and in fact i i did try. I tried hard to To not believe i. I went into science and university and You know as young person that has a huge effect on you because you kind of that We used to say tabula rasa. You're a blank page. So you kind of go into that. So in my particular university was was kind of radical so at some of the radicals that got kicked out of the states in the late sixties and early early seventies ended up in regina my home home university. Yes so i. i thought it was leaning to marxism. I got involved in transcendental transcendental meditation to kind deal with anxiety And i was a science majors. So i was definitely evolutionist All of those things. All of those things. And so i said to my girlfriend. One time i said. I said you know we're just we just animals. You know we live we dying and that's it it's over right. And so she just burst she just burst into tears in in cried for a while and so i decided not to bring that up again. So anyway We kind of had a long term relationship Actually a number of years five and it kind of came to a point where we had to do something about it and I entered. I went into education i entered. I did not have a good internship. I didn't know it at the time. But i'm adhd and there was no such diagnosis in those days. So so now. As i've been an educator for almost forty years but Apart from god that would never happen. But anyway. my internship. Your your You can't think linearly your executive functions are limited But you have a great imagination. So i used to start my homework about midnight. Eleven o'clock till four in the morning then go to school. So that wasn't a good pattern but anyway that's all. I got to university. But i i walked out. I went back for my last semester. And i i walked. I was there two weeks. And i said i'm done with this I was three months short of a double degree. And i just packed in and walked out and i took a job. I said i'm going to get a real job. And i took a job in a on a seismic crew. If you know what that is that's oil exploration and I was stationed in the arctic on an island in the arctic ocean called island. Yes so i kinda jumped out of the front pan into the fire and Yeah that was really interesting. Yeah so so. I flew up. I'd had a couple of friends who've done it before. And they told me what to wear. And so what the by. So i was prepared but i tell you the guy got off the plane and i saw those guys out there. The wind was blowing. It was like fifty below february. And they're out there unloading the plane. And i'm going my god. How can you work in the eight o'clock the next morning up there. It was actually. It was a good experience. I actually did two seasons but what did happen Gonna had my girlfriend got mad. Because i never discussed it with her so after five years i should have talked about it. She got mad and she moved out. She said well i'm gonna move to. Though she moved out to the west coast of vancouver island she was a nurse and she took a job nursing there so so our plan in money up north. She's gonna earn money there then. We're going to backpack europe. Because you know it's the seventy so. That's you
It's all a Setup with Ed Burdette
"Back with us for a second. Time is the host of the one year bible. Podcast ed burr debt. Welcome back to the show. Ed thank you so much. Glad you glad to be here again and greg you. Yeah thanks for coming back man. How's the podcast and the book doing anything new. I'll man it's It's continuing on what like the The new element of the podcast really is weekly episodes on fridays. Where i get to do a devotional about a different passage each week and so inch has kind of been like you know just looking at different angles at something and and Getting to get new perspectives and new insights and so that's just kind of continual discovery process for me that i really love. That sounds fun man. We do that on fridays. then i'd say it. Yeah yeah so there's a. There's a daily reading release so that seven days a week but then on friday we do special episode where we take section of that as reading and then we look at it a little bit more in depth and rather than being a straight up just reading of the bible. It's it's some looking into it and some analysis. That's always fine doing that. Yeah that's cool. Cool fun well. We left off last time. We were talking about All over the place where all over the place mainly liberal theism and non belief and whatnot. I think i kind of want to start off with. What are your thoughts on atheists on those not like me. Nonbelievers thoughts There's mean definitely met folks before who who share that That belief and i guess. I guess just kind of top of mind. I think globally Y'all are in a very small minority true and yeah so You know. That's that's kind of i thought and then i don't really have kinda broad impressions other than that Mostly just enjoy enjoy understanding. You know maybe someone something you know what a beliefs on holds about kind of like a case by case person by person you know just chatting with adnan and talking it over dry like we're doing now yeah exactly. Yeah for sure definitely. Do you do think that eighth east deserve punishment for their non-belief. Oh i mean. I think that when when You know i just think of the first couple of chapters of the book of romans and where we're paul laying out this. Hey like the structure of of the way that the world is made is such claims that you know everyone kind of has to go also to To understand things about god And so he he's kind of saying like you know the evidence is out there and and that we're all we're all presented with it In a way that they're you know there's something to that they're there what we're answerable for that What we've been given what we've been shown interesting referred to jeremiah. Thirty three three call to me. And i will answer you until you great and unsearchable things you do not know. So is that kind of you. Know five call to ya where he's already shown himself to me so therefore i deserve to be condemned because i've seen and i should have believed that point but i chose not to. Oh i mean. I understand the great and unsearchable things those would be. You know maybe related to some of the stuff that paul writes about in in that section of romans but but i mean those i think the great unsearchable things just might be Not necessarily related to the line of arguing of like. Hey you know. Why do i believe what i believe you know. Or what what basic beliefs do i have about reality. And the structure of the universe cosmos. I think that's more kind of like the the arena in which paul is making a making a case rather than like the jeremiah passage. That's how i read them. Gotcha so we've seen him as far as creation creation is enough for us to believe that y'all way specifically the one that did this. Oh i think it's Remember exactly what's written there in romans. But it's something you know basically like you know god's got divine nature and whose power. So how specific we could get from creation itself You know i'm not you know. I'm not totally sure about that. So his divine nature and power. This is something you believe that eighth me is an unbeliever that i've already witnessed in some sense. Yeah yeah. I think we've all witnessed it
"I remember being in first year university. And encountering feminism in a new way. I'd heard the mutterings of it around my home. My dad was deeply involved in feminist. And the intersection between mental health and the oppression of women and it was in my first year university that i started reading. Feminist writers reading about feminists thought and really starting to develop my own relationship with the movement. And i came across the work. Of course of the second wave feminists who were advocating largely for women's right to work outside the home and it was thrilled about this idea. That perhaps floored by it. That it had always been that way really starting to wake up to inequality and i remember having a conversation with my professor one of my professors who said. Don't you understand the limitation of that facet of the movement. Don't you understand that. Class and employment and race and socioeconomic status are all deeply woven into each other that disability capi separated that race can't be separated from this push for employment for women. And i remember feeling perhaps strack that i'd missed this and this professor went on to say you're missing something important about the work of equality. If you're missing that a community and entire community of people particularly black women were not advocating to work. Outside the home they had been forced to for generations in slavery and that they and their ancestors had been exploited. And so there's a. There's a discrepancy between the feminist movement. And this call to examine culture as it intersects with gender and that really blew openness identity for me of a more complex way of understanding. The person and oppression. I understand the privilege that i have in having to learn about that in a higher education context and what the limitations of that our for me and not having learned about it sooner but that really began my interest in reading woman's writers understanding a more complex way as i said of understanding the person but also of this movement towards liberation. So i wanna toss it to nikki. I'm i love to hear your thoughts on on woman. As what is women ism. That term might be familiar for a lot of our listeners. And foreign for some of them to can you tell us how you understand it and why it matters. Yes so When i think of woman ism i of it i contextualize it with feminism or put it next to feminism because feminism is an easy reference. Most of us know what that is happening idea of it or have Heard the term in may even have some feminist thou us Whether we acknowledge him or not. But whereas feminism tinge to Really just always compare itself. Compare women to men woman ism doesn't at all woman ism Is women loving women that is specifically in exactly what it is. It's about women's to other women specifically black women In our relationship to each other. And so when we're having conversations within women's on really addressing men we are not factoring them in really. They're not a part of the conversation. That's not to say that they're not important. Beings within society are within the family structure. Or you know whatever community where in but that's not what the conversation is about so you know will will talk about addressing the needs of the most disenfranchise most marginalized Oppressed person Woman ism will address a reproductive justice. woman is Is conversations about how we're caring for each other and how we're you know what we're doing within our communities To see to it that everyone is taking care of